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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 18:22:33
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
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May seem a stupid question but is it a good idea? If so, what do I bring? I'm playing DA for this game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 18:27:02
Subject: Re:Vehicles against Crons?
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It is fine, but keep out of rapid fire range as it takes a large number of warriors to kill anything out of rapid fire., pro preds are better the vinds due to longer range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 18:29:49
Subject: Re:Vehicles against Crons?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Mathematically, a 20 man Necron Warrior squad that rapid fires against a Land Raider should score 4.4(so 4 or 5) rolls of a 6 on armor penetration.
So, if a big squad of them can kill a Land Raider, then Rhinos are worse off.....unless you bring a lot of them.
Smoke and cover also plays a role in this, that same Land Raider would survive those Warriors if he popped smoke.
Scarabs also bad news versus vehicles and Wraiths can destroy light vehicles. Once again, unless you bring a lot of them.
So, I would say for vehicles against Necrons, either bring quite a few, or none at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 18:39:58
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Necrons have many, many ways to disregard the AV of vehicles through gaussing, entropic strike, rending, armorbane warscythes, and even a two shot multimelta. Getting your vehicles close to a Spyder spawning some scarabs is also a nice way for it to go "CANOPTEK SMASH!" and rip open your metal box.
Against Necrons you'll be much better served with a large number of vehicles than a few durable ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 19:10:06
Subject: Re:Vehicles against Crons?
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It depends on the list he'll field, but a common unit in all my lists is a 5 man warrior squad with a stormtek or two buttoned up in a nightscythe. This unit will erase any non-flyer vehicle on the board the turn it comes in that is within 36" of my table edge. The nightscythes themselves will usually put a vehicle or two out of action as well. I usually take 2 but sometimes run as many as 4 or 5. Zahndrekh giving tank hunter to a 10 man warrior squad also spells doom for most vehicles.
Bottom line, Kain is right. If you are going to take vehicles:
- Take a lot of them
- Keep them cheap
- Whatever you have designed them to do, make sure they can do it in 1-3 turns, because that's likely all they'll get.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/05 19:13:40
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Kain wrote:Necrons have many, many ways to disregard the AV of vehicles through gaussing, entropic strike, rending, armorbane warscythes, and even a two shot multimelta. Getting your vehicles close to a Spyder spawning some scarabs is also a nice way for it to go "CANOPTEK SMASH!" and rip open your metal box.
Against Necrons you'll be much better served with a large number of vehicles than a few durable ones.
don't forget my personal favorite.... Haywire
Vehicles aren't necessarily a bad idea, just make sure you know exactly what your opponent has for Anti-vehicle... and take advantage of cover saves, as the necrons have very little to get rid of that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/06 11:55:30
Subject: Re:Vehicles against Crons?
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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Use many cheap long range vehicles if any at all,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/06 13:18:00
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Gangrel767 wrote: Kain wrote:Necrons have many, many ways to disregard the AV of vehicles through gaussing, entropic strike, rending, armorbane warscythes, and even a two shot multimelta. Getting your vehicles close to a Spyder spawning some scarabs is also a nice way for it to go "CANOPTEK SMASH!" and rip open your metal box.
Against Necrons you'll be much better served with a large number of vehicles than a few durable ones.
don't forget my personal favorite.... Haywire
Vehicles aren't necessarily a bad idea, just make sure you know exactly what your opponent has for Anti-vehicle... and take advantage of cover saves, as the necrons have very little to get rid of that.
Well it's not that you shouldn't bring vehicles, it's that you have to be prepared for them to die a lot. Try not to make a list where you can't afford to lose one or two vehicles against Necrons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/06 15:04:43
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Kain wrote:Try not to make a list where you can't afford to lose one or two vehicles against Necrons.
This is a great way to say it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/06 15:12:14
Subject: Re:Vehicles against Crons?
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Got Whirlwinds? Those will come in handy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 01:11:34
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Land speeders work well against necrons. Low armor, cheap, and they can zip around behind most necron vehicles and hit that 11 rear armor with meltaguns, which will blow them up on a 3+. Or screen your more expensive vehicles with them for a cover save, and take flamers to wipe out swarms of scarabs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 01:54:24
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Badablack wrote:Land speeders work well against necrons. Low armor, cheap, and they can zip around behind most necron vehicles and hit that 11 rear armor with meltaguns, which will blow them up on a 3+. Or screen your more expensive vehicles with them for a cover save, and take flamers to wipe out swarms of scarabs.
erases initial post
Nvm, after retreading the codex it states I'm an idiot that needs to read closer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 02:22:33
Subject: Vehicles against Crons?
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Some cheap speeders and whirlwinds will do pretty nicely depending on his list.
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