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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/23 15:18:29
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Good point. I didn't think about vector dancer.
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Red Scorpions 500 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/26 06:21:51
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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I'm a little confused about Combat Drop.
When you choose units to alpha strike, is it just based on the total units of all those types, or number of units per type? For example, if I have 4 Valkyries and 2 units of sentinels, can I only alpha strike up to 2 Valkyries and up to 1 sentinel, or could I pick any three of the six units?
Is there an assumption that "half" of your units is rounded up? So you could alpha strike 2 out of 3 total units? Or 1 out of 1 (this relates especially t my first question)?
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Anyway, I'd also like to get some thoughts on a starting 1000pts list as I'm building my army. It has some units, like the snipers, just because I like them, and others like the Vulture because I already have the model. I'm trying not to be a dick with the flyers at such a low point level.
CCS
-long range ground scanner
-missile launcher
105pts
Veteran Squad
-forward observers
-3x sniper rifles
125pts
Veteran Squad
-3x plasma guns
-Valkyrie (multiple rocket pods, heavy bolster sponsons)
265pts
Veteran Squad
-3x plasma guns
125pts
Veteran Squad
-3x plasma guns
125pts
Vulture
-twin-linked punisher cannon
155pts
Aegis Defense Line
-quad gun
100pts
So the idea is that the CCS mans the ADL and the sniper vets set up somewhere ideal for future deepstrikes. The Valkyrie alpha strikes in on my turn. The remaining 2 veteran squads and vulture come in from reserves later.
It feels...fragile. I don't understand point economy in low level games with this army. I could drop the ADL for some HB sentries or Sentinels or something, leaving my CCS exposed, but I'm generally pretty lost on that last 100 or so points with this list. I've got a lot of firepower but not much out there to take fire from my opponent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/26 06:32:43
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Douglas Bader
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That's because you're playing Elysians, an army defined around having lots of firepower but not much durability (other than flyers being hard to hit). Your best way of protecting troops is to keep them aboard their flyers until the nearby threats are dead and you need to claim an objective.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/27 02:27:34
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks. Does that list seem decent? I'm also interested in the best way to set up and use Tauros squads. They are one my favorite things about this army so I can't resist. It would seem like Multi-laser venators are the best bet but I wonder how a squad of three flamer tauros would do (I'm new to the game itself so I have no experience to rely on).
Also if anyone knows the answer to my Combat Drop questions that would be a big help, as it is going to influence my list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/27 06:53:19
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Stealthy Kroot Stalker
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Combat Drop is based off total eligible units. In your scenario, you have 6 eligible units so 3, of your choice, may combat drop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/27 23:26:40
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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acekevin8412 wrote:Combat Drop is based off total eligible units. In your scenario, you have 6 eligible units so 3, of your choice, may combat drop.
I am only seeing one eligible unit, the one Valkyrie.. Troops not in a Valk are not eligible for Combat Drop
Never mind above I was looking at your list and not the question you asked.
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If I was vain I would list stuff to make me sound good here. I decline. It's just a game after all.
House Rule -A common use of the term is to signify a deviation of game play from the official rules.
Do you allow Forgeworld 40k approved models and armies? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/27 23:32:26
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thank you for the answers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/27 23:38:13
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Fresh-Faced New User
Palm Bay, Florida
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On page 210, it states that the Long Range Ground Scanner's range is 12". (Just like the Company Commander's command radius. C:IG page 30.)
But, if both the LRGS unit and the receiving unit have vox casters, the receiving unit may be anywhere on the table.
Why the hell don't IG Orders work the same way?
A leadership test re-roll? Are you serious?
"I'm sorry, sir, I can't hear you from 30 feet away, could you try again with the radio, which also only works 30 feet away?"
Lunacy. The whole point of a radio is to be able to communicate outside shouting distance, isn't it? I mean, that's how we used ours when I was serving in the Airborne.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/28 00:55:20
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Douglas Bader
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Because the orders system is completely stupid. It's the same reason a CCS can't give orders to itself while inside a Chimera.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/05 08:34:17
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Tail Gunner
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Just a quick question:
Is Captain Gerek specific to IA8, or are there rules listed for him in IA3E2? My guess is that he is only in Kastorel Novem, but if anyone is willing to check, it would be much appreciated!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/05 08:50:56
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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IIRC there were no named dude's for Drop Troops in IA3E2, that being said, in a friendly I would have no problems at all with you using his rules as part of the Taros 2nd Ed. rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/05 09:38:31
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Douglas Bader
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Scout Sniper J. wrote:Is Captain Gerek specific to IA8, or are there rules listed for him in IA3E2? My guess is that he is only in Kastorel Novem, but if anyone is willing to check, it would be much appreciated!
Not included in IA3 (not really a surprise, since he wasn't on Taros). The IA8 characters are only available in the IA8 campaign games, and each character is only allowed in specific missions. They aren't included in the standard Elysian list in IA8, and they don't have the standard "X choice in Y army" statement.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/05 16:15:38
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Tail Gunner
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Peregrine wrote: Scout Sniper J. wrote:Is Captain Gerek specific to IA8, or are there rules listed for him in IA3E2? My guess is that he is only in Kastorel Novem, but if anyone is willing to check, it would be much appreciated!
Not included in IA3 (not really a surprise, since he wasn't on Taros). The IA8 characters are only available in the IA8 campaign games, and each character is only allowed in specific missions. They aren't included in the standard Elysian list in IA8, and they don't have the standard "X choice in Y army" statement.
Yeah, that's what I thought. There's a clause on Captain Gerek's profile that says "Captain Gerek on his Tauros can be taken as a HQ choice for an Elysian Drop Troop Army. So do you think that would apply to an Elysian list in a different book?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 13:51:31
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Hopefully this is the right thread for this question... I'm looking to give my IG a fully mobile option for 2000-3000 point games as 2000 points plus unlocks a second FOC.
I currently have 3 Vendettas and 2 Vultures. I am definitely going to get 2 Avengers to go with those, so how many Valkyries should I be adding to that and still have room to manoeuvre on a 4' by 8' table?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/11 06:26:14
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Fresh-Faced New User
Palm Bay, Florida
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Peregrine wrote: Scout Sniper J. wrote:Is Captain Gerek specific to IA8, or are there rules listed for him in IA3E2? My guess is that he is only in Kastorel Novem, but if anyone is willing to check, it would be much appreciated! Not included in IA3 (not really a surprise, since he wasn't on Taros). The IA8 characters are only available in the IA8 campaign games, and each character is only allowed in specific missions. They aren't included in the standard Elysian list in IA8, and they don't have the standard "X choice in Y army" statement. On the subject of ICs, are Elysians considered IG? If someone creates their own SM chapter, using C: SM, they can run Calgar, Shrike, Lysander, etc, represent them with an appropriate model, and just call them something else, yes? Totally legit. Same as running a "plays as" BA or SW army, right? By that rationale, is it possible for Elysians to use IG characters the same way?
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If you're keeping your cool, while everyone around you is losing theirs, you might not fully grasp the situation. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/11 06:36:23
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Executing Exarch
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You can ally the IG codex with the Elysian army list and use the named HQs in the IG codex in the slots available to the IG dex units.
You cannot take named HQs from a completely different army list (IG) and use them in your army list of choice (Elysians). This is like trying to use calgar from C:SM in a DA army list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/11 07:03:41
Subject: Re:IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Douglas Bader
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Looky Likey wrote:I currently have 3 Vendettas and 2 Vultures. I am definitely going to get 2 Avengers to go with those, so how many Valkyries should I be adding to that and still have room to manoeuvre on a 4' by 8' table?
I suggest proxying some flyers and trying it. 4x8 isn't a standard table size so you're probably not going to find much experience. I've found that 3-5 flyers on a standard 6x4 table is usually ok, but doesn't have much room left over. I can easily imagine more than 4-5 being crowded on a 6x4, but on a 4x8 you've got a lot more space to work with.
No, they are an entirely separate army list that you play just like picking a codex to build your army from. The only time they are considered IG is for purposes of giving them an allies matrix (which is identical to the IG one, except that IG and Elysians can ally), and that's just so FW didn't have to reprint the entire allies matrix. They're IG fluff-wise just like BA and C: SM are marines fluff-wise.
By that rationale, is it possible for Elysians to use IG characters the same way?
No. The C: SM characters are all part of C: SM, what chapter they are "part of" is irrelevant. You can paint them however you like, give them whatever fluff names you want, etc, and all that matters is they are HQ entries in the C: SM army list. Using IG characters in an Elysian list would be like SW characters in a C: SM list because "they're all marines".
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/11 07:11:57
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Palm Bay, Florida
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ansacs wrote:You can ally the IG codex with the Elysian army list and use the named HQs in the IG codex in the slots available to the IG dex units.
You cannot take named HQs from a completely different army list ( IG) and use them in your army list of choice (Elysians). This is like trying to use calgar from C: SM in a DA army list.
Drat. Thought there might be some wiggle room because Elysians are technically Imperial Guardsmen and still rely on C: IG for Special Rules, Orders, Wargear, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/11 07:18:44
Subject: IA3 Review - Elysian Drop Troops
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Executing Exarch
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Nope, you should really think of them as separate army lists that just want to make you buy the codex.
Feel free to ally though.
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