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Caster: Allister Caine 6 points
Jacks: 2 Hunters 6 points each
Heavy jacks: Hammersmith 8 points.
Troops. Arcane tempest gun mages leader and 5 grunts 6 points
Field mechanics leader and 3 grunts 2 points.


Tell me what you think.

Which caine is it?

Just normal Caine, not epic


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List edit.
Normal allister Caine 6 points
Heavy jack: hammersmith 8 points
Light jacks: 2 hunters 6 points each
Troops: black 13th 4 points
Gunmage captain adept: 2 points
Field mechanics crew chief and 5 grunts 3 points
35 points total.

That's 23 points. .

A Warcasters warjack points are free points to spend towards a warjack. So with Pcaine his +6 WJ points are basically 6 extra points.

So when building a Pcaine 35 point list you actually get 41 points(35 points + 6 warjack points) to spend.

You can format it like

pCaine - 6 points
Hammersmith + 8 points
2x hunters +12 points
black 13th + 4 points
Gunmage captain adept: +2 points
Field mechanics crew chief and 5 grunts +3 points
-6 + 8 +6 +6 +4 +2 +3 = 23

I'm assuming by the list you gave your plan is to run the 'smith up the middle using the ranged stuff to provide covering fire and the mechanics to keep the smith up and running. So add some more shots.

IMHO the Hammersmith doesn't have that much synergy with Pcaine. The only spell that would even effect the hammersmith is Blur which does make him a beast walking up the field but you have better uses of Focus than putting blur on a 'smith. If you're set on running it you should Jack Marshal it to a Jr Warcaster, put arcane shield on the 'smith. That brings you up to 26 points with the 9 remaining I'd grab ATGM for 6 points, a squire for 2 points and that leaves you 1 point so I'd drop the repair guys down to a 3 man unit to be able to afford the ATGM ua.

Pcaine -6
Hammersmith 8
Hunter 6
Hunter 6

Black 13 4
ATGM 6
ATGM UA 2
Field Mechanics and 3 grunts 2

Squire 2
JR. Warcaster 3
Gun mage captain adept 2

 22cthulu wrote:

. If you're set on running it you should Jack Marshal it to a Jr Warcaster, put arcane shield on the 'smith.

I strongly disagree, this puts junior 6" max from the hammersmith at all times, and you really don't want her that close to the fighting, she'll get killed off and you'll be left with an autonomous (or maybe inert I can't remember what happens if a battlegroup leader dies as opposed to a jack marshal, which junior isn't) hammersmith at the enemy's line.

Maybe, I've marshaled Jr to an Ironclad and used him as a flank anvil and have never had a problem with the opponent going after Jr. before the Ironclad. Maybe I just got lucky the two times I did it.

 22cthulu wrote:
Maybe, I've marshaled Jr to an Ironclad and used him as a flank anvil and have never had a problem with the opponent going after Jr. before the Ironclad. Maybe I just got lucky the two times I did it.

Seems like an odd choice by the opponent, the Ironclad requires a lot less work to deal with than junior, and it's effectively done without him.

I looked up the rule and it appears the the jack marshal dies the jack becomes Autonomous. So whilst it can no longer be allocated focus it can still be a threat.

Yeah but junior isn't a jack marshal, instead they have the battlegroup commander rule which means the jack becomes inert, see p. 67 under 'warcaster destruction'. If you are going to include Junior I'd recommend giving him/her a hunter and letting them Arcane Shield whatever needs it on Turn 1, then upkeep it all game while giving it's Hunter 2 Foc.

Thanks for all the support guys. Finally cleared up warjack points for me as well, and that has confused me since I started playing. What would you suggest I run instead of the hammersmith? I am looking for some strong melee to make up for the fact that most of my army is ranged. What do you think about adding some storm knights?


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*storm blades. Sorry messed the name up.

Well with you aiming for 35 you could include Stormblades and a Stormclad Jack Marshall'd to them if you wished (14 points) and the UA for the Stormblades makes them that much better, it's a quite self sufficient little unit, and Junior can put AS on the unit itself to increase their survivability a bit. Another option would be Rupert for Tough or +1 Def. I think if you go the the battle report section here Sining has some reports where he's used Stormblades and pCaine a bit, you can read up there. It may have been storm lances though...

So something like

Lt Allister Caine 6 WJ points
Squire 2 points
2 Hunters 12 points
Arcane tempest gun mages leader and 5 grunts 6 points
Arcane tempest gun mage officer
Stormblades 5 points
Stormblade UA 3 points
Stormclad 10 points
Journeyman Warcaster 3 points

Now I haven't ever used pCaine (I prefer Caine the elder) but Snipe and Deadeye will help your two units hit hard (Snipe for longer ranged assault orders and stuff for the stormblades, and deadeye to get those crit effects for the ATGM), Stormclad gets 2 'focus' sort of from the stormblades (jack marshal and special rule) and junior can AS the blades before looking after a hunter if he wants. I could be well off base but its an idea

edit: nope it was stormblades. Here are some of them, and there are probably more
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527191.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528975.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527191.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/526366.page

Thanks to everyone for all the great answers!!!