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2013/06/20 07:35:07
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
gohkm wrote: What's the difference between the collectors' edition figs and the standard gaming figs? Has that been clarified yet?
The collectors edition figures are the same sculpts (and size) as the ones in the game or expansion. They will be cast in grey rather than their normal faction colour see below
Update #43 · Jun 20, 2013 · 28 comments
We hit the first backer milestone of 2800 fans and unlocked a figure!!! Now the Collector Edition Cultist is FREE for all Cultist Level Backers to enjoy! Thank You and please continue to spread the word about the Kickstarter. Next FREE figure will be the Deep One!
(it looks like this photo has been 'mirror imaged', but from what Sandy & Co has said it is NOT a different sculpt)
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2013/06/20 09:46:39
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
So I have to ask: What is the overwhelming appeal of Cthulu? I tried to read some of Lovecrafts writing but wasn't a huge fan. For those of you that backed, what draws you to it?
2013/06/20 17:08:35
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
the point of view that humanity is doomed at the end of the day when the 'Stars are Right'
The writing is somewhat old fashioned and a touch 'purple prose' but the images can be really strong, and really give a good sense of mood and place
And it's something that has penetrated deep into popular culture and a lot of other stuff can be more fun if you see the references (many people really believe the Necronomicon is real)
2013/06/20 17:28:50
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
cthulhu mythos actually shares a lot in common with the W40k Chao's mythos, you might even say the Chao's mythos is a little based off the strangeness that the cthulhu mythos has(if you've read the Eisenhorn trilogy). So its less about say a Space Marine struggling against the inevitability of Chaos, but the common man struggling against the inevitability of the Great Old Ones. (More horror theme then Sci-fi)
Never ever ever watch B movies for fun.
It will ruin your mind.
TRUST ME.
2013/06/20 17:39:19
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
Yep, I believe that's why the allusion is to Descent. Descent uses good plastic even if the sculpts aren't as good as what a war gamer would like. This project puts war game quality sculpts into higher end board game plastic.
The new Descent stuff from 2E is actually even better than 1E, so you should be pretty happy.
Thanks for the input on Cthulhu. I couldn't get into his writing style and I think it's a bit of a miss for me because I dont really "do" horror. I think that makes me a wuss or something. I like Hellboy, but I just never was a fan of the Cthulhu infusions. C'est la vie.
The miniatures in this certainly do look nice, though!
2013/06/20 19:26:45
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
listen to it, go on you know you want to (it's about 45mins long)
it's interesting and talks about the genesis of the game, costs, stretch goals, and where they may go next I've pulled out a few juicy bits under the spoiler tags)
Spoiler:
Sandy had intended the game to be his tabletop swansong before going off to write iOS games (he'd accepted a job), but the KS has done so well he's now sticking around to do more TTG/Boardgame stuff
The Green Eyed Games crew have no external funding and are living by cashing in their retirement savings
Each time they add a new figure to the game the mould cost are about $30,000 (this bit's not Sandy: it could be a 'cultist' is cheaper and a 'great old one is more expensive, it could be he's talking about GOO moulds in the context where he's talking about this)
$250,000 would have let them make enough of the game to distribute to the KS backers, but that would have been it. (this bit's not Sandy again :Break even, no money in the company, Sandy goes and does something else leaving the KS backers with a great Cthuloid Swan-Song)
It sounds like they may have and EU distributor locked in (or I guess ruled out) by next week, as he's talking to companies who want to do the job this week)
A human faction may be in the works, revolving round characters like Herbert West (instead of GOOs) they would start powerfull and get weaker as the game progresses, so would need to go for a quick win. This may not hit during the KS however high it goes as it will need a lot of testing/balancing and Sandy does not want to do it if it doesn't work well
A potential followup game may a cooperative affair detailing how the GOOs set the scene for their rise.Think Cthulhu wars the prequel
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2013/06/20 19:27:57
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
Cthulhu Wars isn't really about horror. It's not necessarily about Cthulhu and there's even a good argument that it is counter-Lovecraftian.
Yog Sothoth has an interview with Sandy up that Sandy sent out as a KS update. In it, he mentions that his play test group knows nothing about the Cthulhu mythos but still enjoyed the game play so much that they insisted on filling their weekly game night playing it even after weeks of play testing.
Yea the mini's look really good. As a mini collector and board gamer both have me really happy so far (just wish there was more game play up lol)
Gotta admit, I don't really understand getting the 240 pledge though. From a game play perspective you get the base game and the expansion bundle you still get those free Old Ones plus three more expansions for only 60ish dollars more.
The 240 pledge really only gives you the plastic gates and player marker (Plus the old ones but everyone over a certain amount gets those) Unless I'm misreading it.
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Never ever ever watch B movies for fun.
It will ruin your mind.
TRUST ME.
2013/06/20 19:45:32
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
The Opener of the Way expansion 48 Plastic Gate markers 25 Custom dice 12 Custom 1st Player marker/art print (of Asenath Waite) 25
so $110 of value (if you want it all), a saving of $10 over adding the stuff to a full cultist pledge of $150
Which let's you add a T-shirt which is cool
(although I know you can still pick up early bird cultists at $146 reducing the saving to $6.... but then if you got an early bird cultist it goes up so you can't really count it)
and yes, everybody over $200 (not including shipping) gets all the free GOOs, although a few of the backer number based stretch goals (see the first post) are specific to pledgers getting CDG (or The Opener of the Way expansion)
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2013/06/20 19:55:34
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
Victorraven wrote: Yea the mini's look really good. As a mini collector and board gamer both have me really happy so far (just wish there was more game play up lol)
Gotta admit, I don't really understand getting the 240 pledge though. From a game play perspective you get the base game and the expansion bundle you still get those free Old Ones plus three more expansions for only 60ish dollars more.
The 240 pledge really only gives you the plastic gates and player marker (Plus the old ones but everyone over a certain amount gets those) Unless I'm misreading it.
I think you have it right. At the base + 4 expansions + 8 stretch goal GOO, you're pledging:
4x $48 expansion = $192.
$150 Cult + $160 Bundle = $310 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO
$240 CDG + $120 Bundle = $360 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO + 1st player marker + 16 gates + 12 custom dice
$150 Cult + $160 Bundle + $25 First Player Marker + $25 22 Gates + $12 12 custom dice = $372 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO + 1st player marker + 22 gates + 12 custom dice
The "problem" is that the sweet spot is at $200, when the 8 GOOs come in, at $25 MSRP each.
OLGS discount needed for base + 4 expansions
MSRP = ($169 base + 4x $48 expansions + 8x $25) = $561, not including 1st player marker + 16 gates + 12 custom dice
$310 / $560 = 55%, so you'll need a 45% discount from the OLGS to match the Cultist + Bundle level.
OLGS discount needed to match bundle
4x $48 = $192
$160/$192 = 83% so you'll need a 17% OLGS discount to match that. Not difficult.
OLGS discount needed to match CDG
($150 Cult + $25 First Player Marker + $12 12 custom dice + $25 22 Gates = $212) = $240 CDG - $48 expansion
($240 - $212) / $50 = 56% so you'll need a 45% discount from the OLGS to match the CDG + 6 gates
So... is there a better way to spend $60 or $50 to reach the $200 spot from the $140 to $150 Cultist spots? (:
Victorraven wrote: Yea the mini's look really good. As a mini collector and board gamer both have me really happy so far (just wish there was more game play up lol)
Gotta admit, I don't really understand getting the 240 pledge though. From a game play perspective you get the base game and the expansion bundle you still get those free Old Ones plus three more expansions for only 60ish dollars more.
The 240 pledge really only gives you the plastic gates and player marker (Plus the old ones but everyone over a certain amount gets those) Unless I'm misreading it.
I think you have it right. At the base + 4 expansions + 8 stretch goal GOO, you're pledging:
4x $48 expansion = $192.
$150 Cult + $160 Bundle = $310 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO
$240 CDG + $120 Bundle = $360 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO + 1st player marker + 16 gates + 12 custom dice
$150 Cult + $160 Bundle + $25 First Player Marker + $25 22 Gates + $12 12 custom dice = $372 = Base game + 4 expansions + 8 GOO + 1st player marker + 22 gates + 12 custom dice
The "problem" is that the sweet spot is at $200, when the 8 GOOs come in, at $25 MSRP each.
OLGS discount needed for base + 4 expansions
MSRP = ($169 base + 4x $48 expansions + 8x $25) = $561, not including 1st player marker + 16 gates + 12 custom dice
$310 / $560 = 55%, so you'll need a 45% discount from the OLGS to match the Cultist + Bundle level.
OLGS discount needed to match bundle
4x $48 = $192
$160/$192 = 83% so you'll need a 17% OLGS discount to match that. Not difficult.
OLGS discount needed to match CDG
($150 Cult + $25 First Player Marker + $12 12 custom dice + $25 22 Gates = $212) = $240 CDG - $48 expansion
($240 - $212) / $50 = 56% so you'll need a 45% discount from the OLGS to match the CDG + 6 gates
So... is there a better way to spend $60 or $50 to reach the $200 spot from the $140 to $150 Cultist spots? (:
You don't have to "find a way* simply pledge $200 plus shipping.
That's it.
You're done,
2013/06/20 22:54:38
Subject: Re:Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
I think an easy way to hit 200 is with the dreamland monster expansions. Those should both be 20, plus gates is a fast way to hit 200. 140 + 20+ 20+ 25 = 205.
Or do a faction expansion + and the high priests witth an EB cultist should hit around 200.
Brother wants to drop his pledge and toss it in with mine, so I guess I'll be getting my great old ones after all. Makes more sense for us to pool resources.
Still might get Azathoth as a table equalizer.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
- anyway - from start to finish (sort of) on an unutterable something: had to carve up the original sculpt as it wasn't quite hitting the spot with the concept art, but the tentacle-y terror soon began to take on his intended shape. Made about a squillion little teeth to stick in and then just found a quicker way of sculpting them directly into the...well, gums, I guess...so that was time well spent. Lots of faff added in with figuring out how to make him take-to-bits-able - he'll need a bit of re-tooling anyway to go into proper production - but Ian managed to cast him up in mostly one bit in the meanwhile.
...brought to you today by the letter H and the Unsuitable for Children's Television Workshop.
and he's right version 1.0 looks alarmingly cute, sort of Hastur for a childrens TV cartoon where all the Great Old Ones and their friends have PG rated fun, and learn important lessons about sharing
Automatically Appended Next Post: As a change of pace, here are some more concepts in a different style. More Free Great Old Ones!
Cthugha, Rhan-Tegoth, Father Dagon, Mother Hydra, Chaugnar Faugn, and High Priest
Automatically Appended Next Post: Seeing the concept make me hope the IP issues with Chaugna Fuagn can be sorted out even more strongly and that he can join the other free (or even paid) Great Old Ones
fingers crossed
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2013/06/21 14:11:28
Subject: Cthulhu Wars by Sandy Petersen Kickstarter: now funded!, (target stretch 19 $700K)
ced1106 wrote:Yea the mini's look really good. As a mini collector and board gamer both have
So... is there a better way to spend $60 or $50 to reach the $200 spot from the $140 to $150 Cultist spots? (:
I like your analysis. The way I look at is that I can usually get 20-25% off using online retailers, which means that funding for something below that cutoff means that I'm essentially pre-ordering something with no information on how the finished product will look or play.
Using that as a qualifier the only addons that break that line are the map and expansion bundles (25% and 27% respectively). After that are the high priests (20%), the gates (17%) and the dreamlands monsters (17%). The gates might actually be a better deal since there are bonus gates with the Kickstarter (22 up from 16) so if there's only 16 in the actual release it's quite a good deal.
Based on this if you're only looking to just get to $200 the gates, high priests and the soon to be two deamlands monsters packs are the way to go discount wise.
Personally I'm going with the cultist (in at $130), expansion bundle, and the gates. In the meantime I've dug up my old Petersen Field Guides to contemplate the age old question, "To paint or not to paint?"
Unix wrote: the age old question, "To paint or not to paint?"
For me, this is a definite NO because I will be using them as board game factions (either for CW or for something homebrewed).
That's the big reason why I'm debating. Currently I'm thinking of just painting the great old ones since they're big enough to not get mixed up and I've been wanting good Cthulhu miniatures for so long, but I'll see once the package arrives on my doorstep.
Has anybody been wondering about that 6-8 player map stretch goal? ($900K I think)
What is it ?,
Does it mean another faction will be released in the KS ?
Well they were discussing it on board game geek and Sandy posted the following
"The way we do the maps, one side is the "low density" map, while the other is the "high density map". To play the "medium density" map, you flip half the map over, so you are playing with 1 "low" side and 1 "high" side.
So with the 6-8 player map, the "low" side is the 6 player side, and the "high" side is, of necessity, 8 players. "Medium" is 7 players. Because of this construction system, we were basically able to include the 8 player map automatically.
That said, we do not have an 8th faction in the chute and ready to go. There is likely to be one someday, depending on how well Cthulhu Wars does in the real world. And of course I imagine players will create their own homegrown factions for Cthulhu Wars, and probably upload them to BGG. So the 8 player side will get used.
