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 starraptor wrote:
And also guardsman may not be geneticlly enhanced super soldiers or anything but at least they can get laid.

Give the man a hand!

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:

 starraptor wrote:
And also guardsman may not be geneticlly enhanced super soldiers or anything but at least they can get laid.

Give the man a hand!

They can do that too.

This is the kind of thing that should be included in the uplifting primer.

'concern your self not with the honoured Astartes, they may be the Imperiums finest, the finest weapons and armour the Emperor can provide. But you can get laid. '

GW has never actually stated whether or not SM can be laid. The protagonist of the Space Wolves series Ragnar still pined for his old girlfriend according to the Wiki, but it's possible the feelings could have been entirely just romantic and non-sexual.

Poor Slaanesh with his sex-less (and also non-Tzeentchian) marines can look so one-dimensional compared to the Dark Eldar sometimes.

TiamatRoar wrote:
GW has never actually stated whether or not SM can be laid. The protagonist of the Space Wolves series Ragnar still pined for his old girlfriend according to the Wiki, but it's possible the feelings could have been entirely just romantic and non-sexual.

Poor Slaanesh with his sex-less (and also non-Tzeentchian) marines can look so one-dimensional compared to the Dark Eldar sometimes.

I'm fairly sure Noise Marines have modifications to engage in non consensual sex with hapless Imperials...and Xenos...and Daemons...and nonsapient animals...and inanimate objects...and abstract concepts.

That's right, somewhere in the eye of terror, there is a noise marine humping communism.

 Kain wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
GW has never actually stated whether or not SM can be laid. The protagonist of the Space Wolves series Ragnar still pined for his old girlfriend according to the Wiki, but it's possible the feelings could have been entirely just romantic and non-sexual.

Poor Slaanesh with his sex-less (and also non-Tzeentchian) marines can look so one-dimensional compared to the Dark Eldar sometimes.

I'm fairly sure Noise Marines have modifications to engage in non consensual sex with hapless Imperials...and Xenos...and Daemons...and nonsapient animals...and inanimate objects...and abstract concepts.

That's right, somewhere in the eye of terror, there is a noise marine humping communism.

Yea, I didn't convey the meaning very well. I suppose to put things specifically, GW's purposeful ambiguity of space marine sex even ends up applying to Slaanesh marines, if to a lesser degree. I imagine they do sexual things, but we never actually see it. They don't even get a ton of double entendres like the Dark Elder do. The closest thing we had to an implication was the Violators warband introducing a prison of convicts to a bunch of "pleasures" that those prisoners weren't really expecting. GW's just really scared to have people see Space Marines in a sexual light, I suppose.

The whole thing makes Slaanesh look like a red-headed step child compared to Dark Eldar. Who are like, Slaaneshi characters (in terms of personality) that actually have more complex (yet still selfish and Slaaneshi-esque) motivations besides trying to get an extra high on noise.

Its hard comparing the horde races like you guys are doing. Guard can out shoot most races (definitely orks) and orks can win an assault against most races (definitely guard), with the exception of blood angels which will make an ork player want to curl up into a ball and die. If they get up close an ork boy will tear apart a "puny human" guard. But that puny human will probably las-blast the ork before he can say squig. But thats one race, i dont know how guard would fair against chaos space marines or tau for example because ive only faced them with my orks.




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 Kain wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
GW has never actually stated whether or not SM can be laid. The protagonist of the Space Wolves series Ragnar still pined for his old girlfriend according to the Wiki, but it's possible the feelings could have been entirely just romantic and non-sexual.

Poor Slaanesh with his sex-less (and also non-Tzeentchian) marines can look so one-dimensional compared to the Dark Eldar sometimes.

I'm fairly sure Noise Marines have modifications to engage in non consensual sex with hapless Imperials...and Xenos...and Daemons...and nonsapient animals...and inanimate objects...and abstract concepts.

That's right, somewhere in the eye of terror, there is a noise marine humping communism.

HAHA! Have an exalt!

Guess the Emp didnt need to create sm then. Or ally himself with mars. Well the mars one's debatable as to weather they're human. The puny humans and their tanks shall conquer the universe for him

The humans need mars for their tanks and guns in the first place.

the ancient wrote:Guess the Emp didnt need to create sm then. Or ally himself with mars. Well the mars one's debatable as to weather they're human. The puny humans and their tanks shall conquer the universe for him

To be fair, at the start of the Great Crusade, there was just Earth alone, which means a massively lower number of "heads" (as well as means of transportation). Once you have conquered a million worlds, all of which will raise men and women to fight in your name, this first army of supersoldiers that is so much more difficult to create and control becomes more and more redundant.

It may well be that this was part of the reason for why the Imperium opted to dismantle the Legions and put the Astartes in more of an auxiliary role - in addition to the obvious minimising of the risk and potential consequences of further revolts. At the very least the Imperium's leaders were convinced that its military would not suffer much from this step.

Okay I can see where all the hate is coming from and it seems like the SM's are bullying the IG. Now, I am a fellow marine (disregard how I have no pictures) and I feel that the IG are actually not so puny. Yes, they may be small compared to Orks (Obviously not rocketboys or however you say that) and many chaos but look at eldar and tau infantry compared to the IG. They are pretty much the same size and both use tactics that are relative.

Something that is usually disregarded is that humans are quite brave. Obviously marines being the aggressive type but IG can hold positions and other tactics just as well as any other army. You say they charge with incompetence? Well you have to be damn brave to charge...well...anything!

So PUNY is not a very good word to use. Compared by sight they look weak, but they don't give up which probably sounds silly to a lot of you but to me that sounds pretty heroic.

Please excuse how I don't use quotes or refer to books but im not a huge buff on everything yet. Im still trying to finish Hunt for Voldorius. But the Author just needs a bit of encouragement for the army he picked is all. (I assume you picked IG).

Welcome to the Guards boys. It is in this prestigios intituion where you will be learning how to defend humanity from the horrors of the universe. From everything like alien zeno scum to chaos horros that will make you shat yourselves. You will not be getting any genetic super human modifications here, if you thought you were, well you signed up for the wrong program. But what you will get is a crazy commisar that will shoot your head off if you are a coward, if you are a traiter, if you even think about joining up with those chaos punks. But do not fear once you get out of boot camp you will have nerves of steel, a flashlight laser, and 1 up on those space marine astares wusses, you will be able to get laid after a tough mission hurah.

I started 40k about 10 years ago and i played ultramarines, and after going through several armies after ultra marines, ( black templar, deathwing, chaos, orks, etc ) i settled down on im perial guard, i was never interested in any of the backroud or fluff for 40k until i explored into imperial guard. with imperial guard its nt mindless bugs or daemons that arent scared of anything, its a standard soldier with his rifle up against these monstrous creatures and beasts and all he has is himself and the men to his sides. You cant even imagine the fear and courage it takes to stand your ground when fate weaver lands in front of you.... Honestly in the game i feel it would make it more realistic ( but also broken) if my cadian infantry squads had to take an leadership test when a monstrous beast came within 12 inches... but they dont, they stand their ground and fight.
I aslo feel it depends on which guard army your running... like someone said before, if chenkov is in charge of a regiment of Valhallans there is a high chance of a charge that includes many men running across an open field into undeniable death, in the upcoming battle... there will also be many commissars following close behind to make sure this does happen to! But then you take tallarn who dont have nearly as many men and use outflanking, ambushes and fast cavalry to defeat their enemy, and steel legion who use chimeras and armour to preform a blitzkrieg if you will against its enemies. But the newest army i have picked up, Death Korps of Krieg, who, yes, send wave after wave after wave of troops over no mans land to usually take an insignificant objective ( to grand scheme or strategy) and take high amount of casualties to do so, but that is what they have, and death korps of krieg are kinda mindless or brainwashed in their own way. their loyalty goes so deep that giving their life for the emperor is the highest recognition they can receive! but yes their is tactics that go into that, we have engineers that burrow beneath enemy and plant explosives, massive smoke barrages to blind the enemy, preliminary barrages to weaken defenses and they build extensive trench systems that surround and choke an enemy army to death by attrition and siege.
Imperial guard can easily be used tactically or can d heroic things and when a single guardsmen does something epic like kill a warboss or carnifex ,i feel, it makes it even that more special, i dont mind my men being called puny by my friends i play against, they usually vcant beat me anyway... haha I have had a single guardsmen platoon lt kill abadon in close combat 1v1 it was crazy but it happened ( he rolled alot of ones.... alot) and it made the game epic! i love playing my guard and i always build apon them and learn more about them and there backround.
So i said alot and i kinda rambled, but the main thing i want to get across is guard dont have to do the whole endless mass infantry assualt, they can be tactical and still follow fluff and take minimal casualties.
But in the end compared to the monsters and xenos in the 40k universe a single guardsmen is small no matter what training he goes through or how strong he gets, ( yarrick base strength 3 ) but i feel it makes it that much more epic and awesome when a single guardsmen does accomplish something on his own without the genetic upgrades, power armour, daemonic powers or extra strength. just a man his rifle and a a whole lot of courage.
movies to look at that show a good representation to guardsmen in battle rather than comparing them to modern soldiers
Starship troopers: there are 3 but the 1st one is the best great example, i watch the 1stI watch it at least once a month.

Aliens: sequel to Alien shows how humans can be tactical and do huge things with very little, also shows how emotion and fear affect are a factor in battle and how humans can be ripped to shreds by xenos very easily hahaha

and as always starwars.... in the clone wars pay less attention to the jedis fighting for a sec and look at the clone troopers. haha
Thanks for taking an intrest!
Tony A

TiamatRoar wrote:

The whole thing makes Slaanesh look like a red-headed step child compared to Dark Eldar. Who are like, Slaaneshi characters (in terms of personality) that actually have more complex (yet still selfish and Slaaneshi-esque) motivations besides trying to get an extra high on noise.

Dark Eldar are very tame compared with Slaanesh, I'm not sure where you are getting this info from.

Dark Eldar are mostly interested in power, sensation, pleasure is not their sole reason for living. I have the original Slaves to Darkness book where Slaanesh was first detailed. Slaanesh was properly defined and details of his worship given. Slaanesh is vastly more depraved in every way. Today this must be edited to make the game reasonable for youngsters. The Dark Eldar appear extreme only because describing what Slaaneshi followers get up to is too adult for GW and far worse than what the Dark Eldar do.