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This whole thing reminds me of RAW vsRAI debates. Should we interpret the Constitution as RAW or RAI?

Sounds like a Constitutional crisis might be brewing.

Black Knight wrote:
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims

2 people "alot" does not make, especially when 1 of them wasn't even involved. A lot would imply a large number, possibly a majority. There are not 750 million people in this world that are evil muslims hellbent on destroying 'MURICA, if there were... They'd probably try invading considering that they could easily outnumber our rotound population 2:1...

Black Knight wrote:
im not sure about the amendments. i think its important that obama knows whats happening so he can protect us. i dont want another 911 happening to america

Obama can learn about things the exact same way that president's before him learned about things, through our intelligence agencies. Not to mention the MASSIVE invasion of privacy this is. Say you're talking on the phone to one of your mates about a kerfuffle you got into with d-bag at school/work/church bake sale/etc... and you say, "Man I'm going to kill Daryl, dude really has it coming, I'll make sure that his next "President's speech" goes off with a bang!" You're now on a list and could potentially have the secret service come to your door when all you meant is that "Daryl is a dick, and I'm going to screw over his next speech as President of our organization." So now you have to deal with lawyers, and the federal government, who can detain you indefinitely can't they (wasn't that the gist of the NDAA?), and they could try to figure out if you're plotting to kill the president all because you were totes okay with them listening in on and recording your phone conversation about Daryl.

Also, while 2 "evil" men does not make alot... this makes alot:

Eh... I feel like the Snowden narrative matters mostly to White House officials in trying to deflect attention from government overreach and deception, and to media executives in search of an easy storyline to serve a celebrity-obsessed audience.

*jedi waves*
Focus... this is not the scandal you're looking for....

No, we should all be looking at Benghazi right?

That's bigger than Watergate!

Especially after we redefined bigger to mean not even comparable!

 Easy E wrote:
No, we should all be looking at Benghazi right?

Among other things... like:
IRS political targeting
Eric Holdner in contempt
James Rosen
AP Wiretaps
EPA shenanigans
States Dept coverup
Fast & Furious
Pigford
.... and others (hard to keep track! ).

That's bigger than Watergate!

With respect to Benghazi, I'd still submit it's the same if not bigger... because, ya know, no one died during Watergate.

Watergate and the aftermath of Benghazi were BOTH political response... rather than doing the right thing.

Clearly, the goal is to flood us with SO many f'ups that the American public, with our poor attention spans, can't possibly keep up.

It's genius!

It probably doesn't violate those amendments, no. A lot of armchair legal scholars are claiming otherwise, despite not being able to tell you what the Fourth Amendment is without a trip to Wikipedia, but I suppose we'll see eventually.

There is definitely a case to be made for a violation of the Fourth Amendment as it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court. It all comes down to if there is a reasonable right to privacy inherent in what you do online.

To me it seems like if I'm accessing my password protected email there is no reason that the government should have to ability to trawl through my personal correspondence at will.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Black Knight wrote:
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims

2 people "alot" does not make, especially when 1 of them wasn't even involved. A lot would imply a large number, possibly a majority. There are not 750 million people in this world that are evil muslims hellbent on destroying 'MURICA, if there were... They'd probably try invading considering that they could easily outnumber our rotound population 2:1...

i didnt just mean saddam and osama. there are also alot of bad muslims. i would gues that about 40 percent of muslims dont like america. note i only said 40 percent. there are plenty of good muslims.




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 Alfndrate wrote:

Black Knight wrote:
im not sure about the amendments. i think its important that obama knows whats happening so he can protect us. i dont want another 911 happening to america

Obama can learn about things the exact same way that president's before him learned about things, through our intelligence agencies. Not to mention the MASSIVE invasion of privacy this is. Say you're talking on the phone to one of your mates about a kerfuffle you got into with d-bag at school/work/church bake sale/etc... and you say, "Man I'm going to kill Daryl, dude really has it coming, I'll make sure that his next "President's speech" goes off with a bang!" You're now on a list and could potentially have the secret service come to your door when all you meant is that "Daryl is a dick, and I'm going to screw over his next speech as President of our organization." So now you have to deal with lawyers, and the federal government, who can detain you indefinitely can't they (wasn't that the gist of the NDAA?), and they could try to figure out if you're plotting to kill the president all because you were totes okay with them listening in on and recording your phone conversation about Daryl.

Also, while 2 "evil" men does not make alot... this makes alot:

as long as you dont want to attack the us you should be fine. i dont think this is bad to the fourth amenment. if you are not hiding anything and you are not muslim, you have nothing to be afraid

Black Knight wrote:

as long as you dont want to attack the us you should be fine. i dont think this is bad to the fourth amenment. if you are not hiding anything and you are not muslim, you have nothing to be afraid

Alf, check his post history to note the proper grammar and ability to manifest a coherent thought before wasting more of your time on this guy. You're getting trolled.

 daedalus wrote:

Black Knight wrote:

as long as you dont want to attack the us you should be fine. i dont think this is bad to the fourth amenment. if you are not hiding anything and you are not muslim, you have nothing to be afraid

Alf, check his post history to note the proper grammar and ability to manifest a coherent thought before wasting more of your time on this guy. You're getting trolled.

I've yet to froth from the mouth at his posts, and honestly it's like two different people posting from this account... Me wonders if Black Knight left his Dakka window open and his misinformed racist grandma is posting.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

Black Knight wrote:

as long as you dont want to attack the us you should be fine. i dont think this is bad to the fourth amenment. if you are not hiding anything and you are not muslim, you have nothing to be afraid

Alf, check his post history to note the proper grammar and ability to manifest a coherent thought before wasting more of your time on this guy. You're getting trolled.

I've yet to froth from the mouth at his posts, and honestly it's like two different people posting from this account... Me wonders if Black Knight left his Dakka window open and his misinformed racist grandma is posting.

no im srs about the muslims they attacked us on 911 bc they dont like our freedom. this is rly my account

 Alfndrate wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

Black Knight wrote:

as long as you dont want to attack the us you should be fine. i dont think this is bad to the fourth amenment. if you are not hiding anything and you are not muslim, you have nothing to be afraid

Alf, check his post history to note the proper grammar and ability to manifest a coherent thought before wasting more of your time on this guy. You're getting trolled.

I've yet to froth from the mouth at his posts, and honestly it's like two different people posting from this account... Me wonders if Black Knight left his Dakka window open and his misinformed racist grandma is posting.

Or his/her account got hacked.

OMG.....I left High School over 20 yrs ago....please please....PLEASE tell me the level of education has not dropped that LOW as demonstrated by Black Knight? If so I've to seriously get with the ex and talk about sending my daughter to a private school...one that doesn't allow PoV's.....that way I can keep jeep and/or Spyder a bit longer

 Jihadin wrote:
OMG.....I left High School over 20 yrs ago....please please....PLEASE tell me the level of education has not dropped that LOW as demonstrated by Black Knight? If so I've to seriously get with the ex and talk about sending my daughter to a private school...one that doesn't allow PoV's.....that way I can keep jeep and/or Spyder a bit longer

Look at his post history. His posts in the other forums are fairly well-written with proper grammar and syntax. We're either being trolled or someone else is on his account.

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On the topic of muslims, I actually just had a couple stop by the gas station I work at the other day; all women, all in dresses (Don't think they had the "proper garb") and all incredibly polite, down to earth people. Not going to lie, one of them would have had me praising allah if she had been a more permanent resident of the town.

@ Easy E; it's both and the same, honestly.

People defend assault rifles and shotguns as "Protected by the Constitution" when the Founders had no idea such things would ever exist (They couldn't have). If the Constitutional Rights given to us affect guns that didn't exist, it has to apply to forms of expression that couldn't have existed back then.



Do you think Islamic women say "Oh, Allah!" during instead of "Oh, God!" ?

Sigvatr wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Those people betray their very own country - I can't think of anything less moral or correct one could do besides terrorism.

Just like that damned Oskar Schindler, who also betrayed his country?

Are you seriously setting a genocide on the same level as PRISM? That's got to be one of the most offensive things I have read recently. It's highly disrespectful for any family who lost people to the nazis in WWII and I highly hope you just went over the top there for a bit. I'm used to other posts by you.

Sorry for how long it took me to get back to this.


Am I setting genocide on the same level as PRISM? No. But I don't need to be to illustrate my point (my point being that you made a ridiculous statement).

Your statement was that you could not think of anything less moral or correct than betraying their country. Oskar Schindler betrayed his country. Therefore, you cannot think of anything less moral or correct than what Oskar Schindler did (which is ironic, considering your outrage at the mere comparison to the Holocaust).

Of course, you can retract your statement now that you've been forced to think about how ridiculous it is, if you like.

 Grot 6 wrote:

Black Knight wrote:
Crap

YOU!!!

Stop posting like a tool. You don't make any sense, and your just parroting a bunch of double speak that makes you look bad. There is a world of information at your fingertips to be found, regardless if Lee Harvey Snowden wants to act like he broke the brinks bank on some low level intel geek fest.

They were terrorists that attacked, and continue to do so. Now with the added advantage of friendly neighborhood revenge killings and bad publicity scandal's and sheer amounts of political ineptitude of not knowing exactly who you are putting in the fill in the blanks "Bad Guy" mold.

They are not affiliated State players, and are pretty much on line with any number of the million and one alphabet soup I hate America assclowns that make it their life's work of attacking people just for the sake of getting their name on TV. Being Muslims has jack all to do with it. People have been doing it since man picked up stick. Only thing that changes is the mix and match letters.

These two tools in question are a couple of self serving cake eaters doing it for their own personal gain with personal selfishness is it's own reward. The attackers are smarter then you. They use the Muslim angle as a recruiting tool to gain press and favor with the same sort of jackass that posts stuff like, "I hate the government. It's run by three legged green men from pluto..." or some other such nonsense.

i agree ultimately the people attacking the us are the jews their using the muslims as puppets bc the muslims hate us for our freedom. i think that caesar knew in his heart tat jesus is lord also the jews are evil. he tried to save jesus from being crucified

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Yeah, I'm going to agree that someone else has access to his account.

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 Grot 6 wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
On the topic of muslims, I actually just had a couple stop by the gas station I work at the other day; all women, all in dresses (Don't think they had the "proper garb") and all incredibly polite, down to earth people. Not going to lie, one of them would have had me praising allah if she had been a more permanent resident of the town.

@ Easy E; it's both and the same, honestly.

People defend assault rifles and shotguns as "Protected by the Constitution" when the Founders had no idea such things would ever exist (They couldn't have). If the Constitutional Rights given to us affect guns that didn't exist, it has to apply to forms of expression that couldn't have existed back then.

The founders would have been the first in line for a brand new spanking AK. They wanted exactly as was written. Not so called "Interpreted" by self serving political hacks that have hijacked a pretty cut and dried form of government. It was designed that way, because education wasn't an asset by the common man and to push a particular idea- simple sells.

The rights are not given, they have been earned. Joe Biden and company has no right telling you what sort of weapon to buy then he does what kind of car to drive. Within reason you have a right to common defense. It is and should be expected that if called upon, you should assist your local community in whatever issue they have, from natural disaster to voting for the local dog catcher.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights.html

Which is exactly what I was trying to say; if all new versions of guns are to be free to use, then all forms of messaging, including the internet and such, should be off limits.

Edit: To government scrutiny.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
On the topic of muslims, I actually just had a couple stop by the gas station I work at the other day; all women, all in dresses (Don't think they had the "proper garb") and all incredibly polite, down to earth people. Not going to lie, one of them would have had me praising allah if she had been a more permanent resident of the town.

@ Easy E; it's both and the same, honestly.

People defend assault rifles and shotguns as "Protected by the Constitution" when the Founders had no idea such things would ever exist (They couldn't have). If the Constitutional Rights given to us affect guns that didn't exist, it has to apply to forms of expression that couldn't have existed back then.

The founders would have been the first in line for a brand new spanking AK. They wanted exactly as was written.

Perhaps they should have defined 'Arms' then.

It seems a bit odd to me that gun ownership is justified under the pretence that the public need to defend themselves against government tyranny. But when people do act against the government to expose coverups and spying on the public, the nationalism and anger for their 'treason' seems to come out strong in favour of the government and outweighs the upset of what the government is doing. Whistleblowing is seen almost as a bigger offence than anything the governement could be doing unless it was truly heinous.

I'm not trying to make a big point, it's more of an observation. It's a bit of an odd dichotomy, on one hand the American public want the power to fight the government and keep their freedom through arms, but on the other they despise almost anyone who acts against the government even when the government is doing things it probably shouldn't be and which undermine those freedoms they value.

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 deathholydeath wrote:


Perhaps they should have defined 'Arms' then.

Well, since they, presumably, didn't mean "bear arms", but to bear "arms", what alternate definition of Arms could you derive that doesn't involve swinging around detached Humerous bones?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
It seems a bit odd to me that gun ownership is justified under the pretence that the public need to defend themselves against government tyranny. But when people do act against the government to expose coverups and spying on the public, the nationalism and anger for their 'treason' seems to come out strong in favour of the government and outweighs the upset of what the government is doing. Whistleblowing is seen almost as a bigger offence than anything the governement could be doing unless it was truly heinous.

I'm not trying to make a big point, it's more of an observation. It's a bit of an odd dichotomy, on one hand the American public want the power to fight the government and keep their freedom through arms, but on the other they despise almost anyone who acts against the government even when the government is doing things it probably shouldn't be and which undermine those freedoms they value.

Welcome to Murica, where people love to talk a big game but hate anyone who acts on it


Also, think of how hard stupid something like this is; if a hard core terrorist plot is formed, they will use public computers (which can't be traced who uses them; you can literally walk into a library to browse the internets) to research something. If they need to make a phone call, you buy a burner phone/make your own walky talky and BOOM, any attempt to hear and stop your movements is pretty much null and void.

This Prism bill does nothing for counter terror, but spies on innocent civilians......

 Slarg232 wrote:
Welcome to Murica, where people love to talk a big game but hate anyone who acts on it


Also, think of how hard stupid something like this is; if a hard core terrorist plot is formed, they will use public computers (which can't be traced who uses them; you can literally walk into a library to browse the internets) to research something. If they need to make a phone call, you buy a burner phone/make your own walky talky and BOOM, any attempt to hear and stop your movements is pretty much null and void.

This Prism bill does nothing for counter terror, but spies on innocent civilians......

If I recall right wasn't there a suspected terror cell that bypassed detection by using Hotmail, but not sending the messages. They saved them in drafts and the members of the cell signed in and read them. That cut down on their electronic trail.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

If I recall right wasn't there a suspected terror cell that bypassed detection by using Hotmail, but not sending the messages. They saved them in drafts and the members of the cell signed in and read them. That cut down on their electronic trail.

That's actually really clever. You run some sort of trusted encryption program locally to encode/decode the data, and that would be silly hard to crack even when you finally did catch it.