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there are some people ( that i know and im sure you know too some to ) that want to buy their own "starter set" so i would just like to dedicate this page to people who want to buy their own stater sets, so i was thinking that we could pick 3 different casters 3 different jacks, 3 different troops and 2 different solos and just give them a guideline and play style of them and the set up ( like in the recent beast of war battle box and beyond, but us as a community set it up )

i will post a legion starter later, i just want to see if anyone posts their own first ( witch most people don't... )

I don't quite understand sorry, so do you mean you want 3 lists from each faction, or each list is meant to have 3 casters, jacks, units and 2 solos, or what?

 motyak wrote:
I don't quite understand sorry, so do you mean you want 3 lists from each faction, or each list is meant to have 3 casters, jacks, units and 2 solos, or what?

no what i am doing is basically have a guid line of 3 casters say lilith thagrosh and vayl as 3 casters for them to start with to choose their play style, then 3 beasts / jacks to choose from to fit their play style that they pick , 3 choices of troops to start from they pick 1, and 2 solos that they pick 1 / 2 of and wala there is their starter set, and we should do the points costs of all possible combinations.

to tired to fix spell errors


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go watch http://www.beastsofwar.com/warmachine/battlebox-cygnar/ as an example of what im trying to do, but think those rangers that things that are 5 inches next to them they makr a target and everyone gets +2 to hit and + 2 to dam when hitting that target, ya its good but there are better things to spend your points on in my opinion, plus if there is no cover then those units will get shot to hell

Well rangers definitely have a place in some lists depending on the caster, for example eCaine loves them (I need to buy some instead of proxying). RAT 11, 13 when aiming? Sure, why not. And I'm going to watch the video, I'll have a go at Cygnar, focusing on more pure Cygnar than going really merc heavy (I know that's not quite optimal in many cases, but some people like playing pure Cygnar/mostly Cygnar)

 motyak wrote:
Well rangers definitely have a place in some lists depending on the caster, for example eCaine loves them (I need to buy some instead of proxying). RAT 11, 13 when aiming? Sure, why not. And I'm going to watch the video, I'll have a go at Cygnar, focusing on more pure Cygnar than going really merc heavy (I know that's not quite optimal in many cases, but some people like playing pure Cygnar/mostly Cygnar)

well yea they are good, but as a noob i dont think people would know what to do with them, hell im still learning how to set up my army and everything else, that and the stuff they list for people to start with after battle box, has no really melee troops for your opponent to worry about, yes they have SOME melee but p+s 9?? isnt going to cut it for me, yes they have those storm knights but they will be focused to death ( or at least, i do )

Honestly I still don't get it, but I'll just wait till you post yours then I'll catch on.

In light of how lackluster cygnar infantry are on average and the utility of rangers, I'd say they are fine additions to a new player's collection. Is it as good as the convergence flare spam? No, but it does add a few highly mobile infantry-clearing shots to the force for a fair price too. If you want the best cygnar infantry suggestions check out the mercenary options. Right now cygnar has nothing that can survive the attention of your opponent or even hold the line.

Cygnar is one of the more difficult factions to make recommendations for since making mistakes can be even more unforgiving than normal in a game known for it's steep learning curve.

ok so here are 3 starter set ideas for people who wish to start menoth that doesn't want to use the battle box

casters
feora, high examplar kreoss , grand scrutator severius

light jacks
vigalant, repenter, revenger

heavy jacks
crusader, rekoner, vanquisher

troops
choir of menoth, examplar errants with ua, temple flameguard with ua

solos
hierophant, vassal of menoth


with feora she is a very aggresive caster that does poorly with jacks, but with great with infantry supporting her and keeping her alive, but not so well at her supporting them

with kreoss he is a HUGE negator, any spells or anything your opponent does will be negated by him, so alot of castors that relys on spells will be useless agenst him, he also has a few offensive spells and a nice buff to, but is mostly squishy and cannot take a lot of damage

with severius he can buff your entire army, and can fling a few offensive spells while having an ability to convert opponents to your side ( probably not likely to happen but still there) but he will die very fast if caught out


the vigalant is a very tanky light jack with arm 21 and def 12, it will be a pain for your oppoent to take out, and can make anyone base to base with this unit immune to blast damage. it doesnt hit hard p+s 11 fists, but it can double throw something

the repenter is a very cheap light flame jack, it is good because it can burn troops very easy and take them out, and if they survive they are set on fire, and has a decent melee weapon

the revenger is an archnode jack that has good arm, and can push back people that try to hit it, but most importantly it is a def 12 arm 19 archnode with a push back and a good melee poke


the crusader is a VERY cheap jack that has no range, but excellent melee jack

the rekoner may seem confusing at first, but it is very simple, it's def is deceiving it is actually def 12 and anyone within 2 inches of the rekoner -2 to their def. but that only works on living models. assult is where it can shoot its range weapon as it charges into your oppoent. its range weapon if it hits -2 def to the oppoents def, best part is, is that this stacks with your ashe veil, or stacks with another rekoner shooting it. for 8 points? its under priced for what it does

the vanquisher is a good anti infantry jack with a great range and melee weapon. its range is a 4 aoe blast that is pow 14 ( pow 7 on the blast template ) and lights anything under the template on fire, and its mace can hit everyone in the models front arc that is not in reach range


choir of menoth is an amazing buff unit for jacks, the unit can do 1 " hymn " and each one of them can use that " hymn " on a jack( so if you have 3 of them, you can buff 3 jacks, and saddly no they do not stack ) the hymn of battle witch +2 to hit and +2 to dam. so your vanquisher goes mat and rat 6 and 5 to 8 and 7 and flame belcher goes to pow 14 to pow 16 and the blast goes from 7 to 9 ( yes you put +2 to blast as well ) and his star to p+s 18

exemplar errant are a jack of all trades ( while not being a jack ) they have a decent anti troop range weapon, and decent anti troop melee weapon ( but not really good agenst jacks or heavy arm units ) they have advance deploy so they are ahead of everyone else, they also gain pathfinder with the ua. and gain quick work ( when they hit something at range and kill it, they may make another attack. and they become immune to spells. they also have this odd ability called self sacrifice, witch means if that unit dies ( i.e. the officer ) you can have someone else take the shot and die instead of the target ( say if you are attacking a jack holding it up from trying to kill your castor, he kills the pathetic troop infront of him, but instead of him dieing he chooses someone behind the troop to take the hit so the jack is still engaded in melee )

temple flameguard are a good defensive and hard hitting unit. when someone charges them with shield wall they will be def 15 ( for the charge attack ) and arm 17. not only that they have reach an have combined melee attack ( where 1 person attacks and rat goes up by 1 for each person in combat with the target and that wants to participate in the attack, and p+s goes up by 1 as well ) ( also shield wall is where if they are base to base with another temple flameguard they gain +4 arm for each one ) also with the ua they gain fear, witch may make the person that charges them run away, once per game mini feat witch gives them + 4 additional armor and cannot be stationary or knocked down, ranked attack ( they ignore line of sight in order to melee ) and their attacks set things on fire



the hierophant is a support solo that helps your caster's spell and focus, he can make your spells have +2 range if it does not use a archnode, it can heal the castor for d3 damage, and can lower the cost of 1 spell by 1 focus

the vassal is a jack supporting solo, it can shoot a pow 12 magic shot, it can gain def and arm when b2b with a jack, it can give a buff where if the jack takes damage it will make a full advance and 1 melee attack on your opponts turn, but the main thing it does is to give a jack an aditional range or melee attack ( i.e. the rekoner and his -2 def shot )

Ah. Well in all honesty then I reckon the Beast of War guys did Cygnar better than I could. I would have gone into more detail on the Storm Gunner (auto-hitting so long as he manages you say? Interesting), but apart from that they covered the faction really well.

Alright, here's the Troll version:

Casters:
pMadrak, pDoomshaper, pGrim

Heavy Beasts:
Earthborne, Mauler, Bomber (I guess)

Light Beasts:
Axer, Impaler, Pyre (good for collection, not really for starters)

Units (I don't suggest units for new players, but these will be staples later):
Krielstone Bearer and Scribes, Champions, Fennblades+UA

Solos (Again I don't suggest solos):
Fell Caller, Stone Scribe Elder, Whelps

The EBDT is such a great beast that is easy to figure out on its own that every troll player should pick it up. The Mauler is solid, I don't use it often in favor of Mulg, but that doesn't mean it isn't a quality beast.