I hate the cabal

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**ZSO, SAHAAL**

/tg/'s

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**Coolyo294**

ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:
/tg/'s

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Traditional games. It's a board on 4chan that focuses on tabletop wargames and RPGs.

**Shadowbrand**

And what kind of monster girls they want to feth.

And occasionally really good RP threads and P/M threads.

**Gargantuan**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Sad but true.

That's mostly because Abnett wasn't left in charge of them, and Thrope and Sanders picked up the ball and ran with it.
I won't lie, Abnett got the ball rolling on the suck, but he picked it up from the poorly written IA article from way back in the day.

I had and Alpha Legion army in 2nd Edition, and that was the last time they were cool in the fluff. The sneaky Mission Impossible Marines with master plan overlapping master plan thing is dumb. Space Marines are Space Marines. The original Alpha Legion were arrogant jerks who were always trying to find new and inventive ways to fight battles. Not new and stupid ways to not be Space Marines. The original Alpha Legion fought guerrilla war against the Imperium for 10K years because they were adapatable, but mostly because they had to. They were a small, decentralized force against a much larger army, so they turned to irregular warfare. Because they had to.

At some point, one of the military geniuses at Games Workshop (lol) said "Herp derp! So the Alpha Legion, they're all sneaky and like Special Forces guys being all infiltratey and sponsoring and training cults. How would they look in the Heresy?" "Well, Derp herp, obviously they'd have been the same way, right? But, like +10. You know, because it totally makes sense that an organization (Spess Mahreens) designed for large scale campaigns would instead specialize in not doing that at all. And the Emprah was always a big fan of Legions that took their time and were inefficient about the way they do things. I mean, he never punished any of the other primarchs for that." "Sounds good. Let's roll with it."

Yeah, I'm also annoyed at what the Alpha Legion has become. Now they're they're mustache twirling super villains instead of proud warriors who use unconventional tactics.

**mwnciboo**

Coolyo294 wrote:
Well that's just like, your opinion, man.

The Cabal is extremely important.

It gives depth to what would otherwise be a 2 dimension story. The best thing about the Horus Heresy Series is how it has changed my perception of many Legions, foremost among them being the Alpha Legion.

I see them less as Chaos, and more as Renegade / Rogue Agents - Non-State Actors if you like, their Agenda is beyond The Pantheon of Chaos or of the Imperium.

Equally the World Eaters, the interesting take of Angron in that there is only one thing worthy of fighting for "Freedom and all tyrants will fall", and he views his father as a Tyrant.

The Cabal, John Grammatius, Damien etc are key vehicles to deep understanding of Primarchs and Legions motivations. How despotic and equally how betrayed all the Legions must feel from the lies of the Emperor with his false "Imperial Truth" something he knew to be a lie and something he put countless planets to the sword over.

You can argue, he was protecting humanity, but he was never honest even with his sons. The Cabal brings nice shades of Grey to what would be a Black and White and ultimately less fulfilling story.

EDIT - Horus Heresy Book spoiler !!

Spoiler:

**Galdos**

I am in the camp that I HATE the new fluff for the Alpha Legion.

Hence why I ignore and pretend that the Alpha Legion turned traitor because HOrus found the Primarchs so they were more loyal to him than the Emperor

**Kain**

I like the concept of closet loyalists and people who aren't really following Chaos.