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**MeanGreenStompa**

For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22925058

A day of official mourning has been declared in the Pakistani city of Quetta after 25 people were killed by gunmen in twin attacks on Saturday.

After a bomb on a bus killed 14 female students and injured 22, militants attacked a hospital treating survivors, where they killed another 11 people.

Four attackers were also killed and one arrested, officials say.

No clear motive for the attack has yet been established but a Sunni Muslim militant group is being blamed.

A man purporting to be a spokesman for Lashkar-e-Jhangvi told the BBC the attacks were revenge for an earlier raid by security forces against the group, in which a woman and children were killed.

Quetta, a city of 900,000 people in the south-west of the country, has long been troubled by violence mainly targeting the Shia Muslim minority.

The city is reeling from a deep sense of shock, trying to make sense of Saturday's events, the BBC's Shahzeb Jillani reports.

'Unjustifiable'
Funerals are being planned for the victims of the attack while an official day of mourning is being observed across the province of Balochistan, of which Quetta is capital.

Saturday's bloodshed began when a bomb exploded on a bus carrying students at Sardar Bahadur Khan Women's University.

When survivors were brought to a medical centre, suspected suicide bombers stormed the building and started shooting indiscriminately.

A five-hour stand-off between the militants and security forces left nurses, security personnel and a senior city official dead.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attacks in a statement, saying no cause could justify such violence.

"The secretary general notes with dismay that violence against women and educators has increased in recent years, the aim being to keep girls from attaining the basic right to education," his spokesperson said.

Groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi have carried out major bombings against Shia religious minorities, our correspondent says.

The group is known for close ties with the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

It just blows my mind, to then go to the hospital and inflict further wickedness... They are not animals, animals would not do such a thing, they are devils, monsters, and should be wiped from the earth. So utterly vile and inhuman, all in the name of 'faith'.

**Ahtman**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

As opposed to the Saudi culture or the Libyan culture or the Iranian culture or the Afghani culture or...

The Islamic culture, Ahtman... The cultures that are unified under that medieval religion and it's suppression of women, it's continued treatment of half it's population as slaves, property, for being born female.

**LordofHats**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

As opposed to the Saudi culture or the Libyan culture or the Iranian culture or the Afghani culture or...

The Islamic culture, Ahtman... The cultures that are unified under that medieval religion and it's suppression of women, it's continued treatment of half it's population as slaves, property, for being born female.

I hear Turkey lets women wear Bikinis.

**Ahtman**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

As opposed to the Saudi culture or the Libyan culture or the Iranian culture or the Afghani culture or...

The Islamic culture, Ahtman... The cultures that are unified under that medieval religion and it's suppression of women, it's continued treatment of half it's population as slaves, property, for being born female.

This is still, at best a geographic cultural problem, not the religion itself. I know several Muslim women who have advanced degrees and were encouraged by their parents to seek them.

**MeanGreenStompa**

LordofHats wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

As opposed to the Saudi culture or the Libyan culture or the Iranian culture or the Afghani culture or...

The Islamic culture, Ahtman... The cultures that are unified under that medieval religion and it's suppression of women, it's continued treatment of half it's population as slaves, property, for being born female.

I hear Turkey lets women wear Bikinis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Turkey

Show me an islamic nation that treats women better and I'll show you a less islamic nation.

**djones520**

I've been in a fair number of Islamic nations (nations with majority Islamic populations) throughout my career in the military. The only ones that I've seen that have had women treated as equals are the ones that are secular.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For the temerity of seeking an education. Yes, the 'Religion of Peace' strikes again...

It seems more accurate to say 'the gakky Pakistani culture strikes again'.

As opposed to the Saudi culture or the Libyan culture or the Iranian culture or the Afghani culture or...

The Islamic culture, Ahtman... The cultures that are unified under that medieval religion and it's suppression of women, it's continued treatment of half it's population as slaves, property, for being born female.

This is still, at best a geographic cultural problem, not the religion itself. I know several Muslim women who have advanced degrees and were encouraged by their parents to seek them.

So, less islamic women and less islamic parents then?

I'm mates with a guy from Pakistan who can outdrink me by a country mile, dates a lovely English lass, and has lived with her for years, eats pork all the time and hasn't set foot in a mosque in years. He tries to tell me he's muslim, he isn't. If he pulled that stuff in an islamic nation, he'd be imprisoned or worse.

**Monster Rain**

In before this is conflated with Christianity somehow.

It's really not debatable, in my opinion, that women in predominantly Islamic countries aren't exactly treated well (#deliberate understatement). This goes above and beyond even that fact, though. Absolutely sickening.

**Ahtman**

So Muslims that don't live in the greater Middle East aren't really Muslims now? Non-Muslims get to tell Muslims what they do and don't really believe?

**Monster Rain**

I think it's possible to make observations based on the tenets of a faith and the behavior of its adherents in order to determine the devoutness of the observed.

Someone claiming to be Catholic, for example, who is chowing down on a steak on Friday probably isn't the strictest follower of their respective dogma.

**djones520**

Monster Rain wrote:
I think it's possible to make observations based on the tenets of a faith and the behavior of its adherents in order to determine the devoutness of the observed.

Someone claiming to be Catholic, for example, who is chowing down on a steak on Friday probably isn't the strictest follower of their respective dogma.

I think a better comparison would be a Catholic who supports abortions isn't really a Catholic. But there you go dragging Christianity into it.

**Hordini**

Being a Muslim and following the teachings of Islam is not the same thing as living in an Islamic country. Islamism is just as tied to politics as it is religion, and being an Islamist and being a Muslim aren't always the same thing. Islamism

A lot of these issues are cultural. There are Islamic countries that are far less oppressive to women compared to the countries that MGS mentioned. But claiming that "Islamic culture" is some unified thing across every Islamic country or country with a Muslim majority is simply incorrect.

**Ahtman**

Monster Rain wrote:
I think it's possible to make observations based on the tenets of a faith and the behavior of its adherents in order to determine the devoutness of the observed.

Someone claiming to be Catholic, for example, who is chowing down on a steak on Friday probably isn't the strictest follower of their respective dogma.

Not being the strictest adherent to dogma isn't the same thing as completely denying something. People are fallible, after all.

**Hordini**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
He tries to tell me he's muslim, he isn't. If he pulled that stuff in an islamic nation, he'd be imprisoned or worse.

There's a difference between being a Muslim and being an Islamist. I know Muslims who live in Islamic nations who drink alcohol while living in an Islamic nation.

You are correct in that there are some Islamic countries in which your friend could be imprisoned or worse for drinking. You are absolutely incorrect if you think that that is true of every Islamic nation or nation with a Muslim-majority.

**Ardaric_Vaanes**

Damn....they blow a bus full of them up in a bomb attack then murder their way through a hospital just to finish the job. I don't think even the word 'overkill' is enough to describe the severity of this attack. Saddest part is this won't be the last time something like this happens given the way things are in the middle east.

**Mannahnin**

Pakistan is in Asia.

This is awful. It's true than "animal" is far too good and noble a word to describe the kind of scum who would do such a thing. Wastes of skin in a world of burn victims.

**Monster Rain**

Ahtman wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
I think it's possible to make observations based on the tenets of a faith and the behavior of its adherents in order to determine the devoutness of the observed.

Someone claiming to be Catholic, for example, who is chowing down on a steak on Friday probably isn't the strictest follower of their respective dogma.

Not being the strictest adherent to dogma isn't the same thing as completely denying something. People are fallible, after all.

That's a fair distinction, I suppose.

I think that there's a tipping point, though, where if you are simply saying that you are something (anything) without any outward indication that you are that thing, your claim can be rejected by observers.

I'm an astronaut! I'm just out of shape and never go to space and whatnot.

**rubiksnoob**

djones520 wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
I think it's possible to make observations based on the tenets of a faith and the behavior of its adherents in order to determine the devoutness of the observed.

Someone claiming to be Catholic, for example, who is chowing down on a steak on Friday probably isn't the strictest follower of their respective dogma.

I think a better comparison would be a Catholic who supports abortions isn't really a Catholic. But there you go dragging Christianity into it.

But the bible actually condemns the eating of meat on Fridays, but says nothing about abortion. . . .

**azazel the cat**

True followers of the Bible do not wear poly-cotton blends.

And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

**Ahtman**

Monster Rain wrote:
I think that there's a tipping point, though, where if you are simply saying that you are something (anything) without any outward indication that you are that thing, your claim can be rejected by observers.

I'm an astronaut! I'm just out of shape and never go to space and whatnot.

I agree there can be a point, but I don't think it is anywhere nearly as clean and delineated as having a job or not having a job. It also doesn't help when observers often don't understand something as well as they think they do and are coming from an outside position. Atheists often tell Christians what they should and shouldn't believe or follow, and act as if they set the slide rule for what a Christian should be, and it just seems a bit disingenuous. That isn't to say all criticisms are without merit, either.

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azazel the cat wrote:
True followers of the Bible do not wear poly-cotton blends.

Well it is the work of the devil.

azazel the cat wrote:
And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

I generally agree as well, it is monstrous and terrible, but I don't think the answer is to chastise all Muslims the world over, and intimate the ones that are liberal, or are not misogynists to an extreme degree, aren't really Muslim.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Well it's all our fault clearly, we implanted these Western ideals like "actually having value" and poisonous thoughts like "being able to read" into these women's mind. These men are doing the only natural thing to bring order to their society.

For that one special individual: The above post is sarcasm. All of it. Thanks.

**azazel the cat**

Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

I generally agree as well, it is monstrous and terrible, but I don't think the answer is to chastise all Muslims the world over, and intimate the ones that are liberal, or are not misogynists to an extreme degree, aren't really Muslim.

I don't think the OP expressed such sentiments, either.

**Ahtman**

azazel the cat wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

I generally agree as well, it is monstrous and terrible, but I don't think the answer is to chastise all Muslims the world over, and intimate the ones that are liberal, or are not misogynists to an extreme degree, aren't really Muslim.

I don't think the OP expressed such sentiments, either.

Referring sarcastically to Islam as 'the religion of peace' is an indictment of the entire religion with no distinction drawn to geographic and/or cultural differences between the billion Muslims across the globe.

**djones520**

Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

I generally agree as well, it is monstrous and terrible, but I don't think the answer is to chastise all Muslims the world over, and intimate the ones that are liberal, or are not misogynists to an extreme degree, aren't really Muslim.

I don't think the OP expressed such sentiments, either.

Referring sarcastically to Islam as 'the religion of peace' is an indictment of the entire religion with no distinction drawn to geographic and/or cultural differences between the billion Muslims across the globe.

People are chastising Christianity in another thread in here over the actions of a single group, yet a religion that calls itself a "peaceful" religion, has provoked a world wide war that has been going on for over a decade now. It's adherents are daily conducting acts of atrocity world wide on women, homosexuals, christians, jews, and anyone else they feel are pissing them off today, all in the name of said religion. Thousands of my brothers and sisters in arms have been killed in the name of the religion of peace. Thousands of civilians worldwide have also met that fate. And you have a stink about mocking the claim that it's a religion of peace?

Please...

**azazel the cat**

Ahtman wrote:Referring sarcastically to Islam as 'the religion of peace' is an indictment of the entire religion with no distinction drawn to geographic and/or cultural differences between the billion Muslims across the globe.

For what it's worth, I actually meant MGS' comments following the article; I didn't even notice the one prior to it.

That being said, however, it's fair game to indict a religion without indicting its followers.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Three decades actually. Depending on how you count. Personally I define the opening shot of the war on terror as the bombing of the Marine and French Para Barracks in Beirut Lebanon.

**Sir Pseudonymous**

djones520 wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
And I agree with MGS' initial sentiments. Can't say it better than that.

I generally agree as well, it is monstrous and terrible, but I don't think the answer is to chastise all Muslims the world over, and intimate the ones that are liberal, or are not misogynists to an extreme degree, aren't really Muslim.

I don't think the OP expressed such sentiments, either.

Referring sarcastically to Islam as 'the religion of peace' is an indictment of the entire religion with no distinction drawn to geographic and/or cultural differences between the billion Muslims across the globe.

People are chastising Christianity in another thread in here over the actions of a single group, yet a religion that calls itself a "peaceful" religion, has provoked a world wide war that has been going on for over a decade now. It's adherents are daily conducting acts of atrocity world wide on women, homosexuals, christians, jews, and anyone else they feel are pissing them off today, all in the name of said religion. Thousands of my brothers and sisters in arms have been killed in the name of the religion of peace. Thousands of civilians worldwide have also met that fate. And you have a stink about mocking the claim that it's a religion of peace?

Please...

You realize they are, by the tenets of the religion they claim to subscribe to, ridiculously heretical, right? And beyond that, their actions are pretty much par for the course so far as third world countries go, Islamic, Christian, or other (including Atheistic)?

If the US was as bad off as third world countries, the remnants of the Revivalist movement would be doing the same, even more than they currently do.

**JWhex**

While the Taliban and other extremist attack women for trying to get an education, this appears to be Sunni on Shia hate on hate and the women were a target of coveinence/opportunity.

I blame the existence of Pakistan on the British, they created that mess decades ago, the place used to be predominantly Hindu.

**Ahtman**

djones520 wrote:
People are chastising Christianity in another thread

And that would make them wrong just as much, not suddenly make both of them right somehow. If you can recognize why it is silly to pretend all Christians are the Westboro Baptist Church surely you can also see why pretending all Muslims across the world are the same is just as ridiculous.