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Alrighty... so I have been trying to think of a "Unique" Theme for an Ork army, I built Orks previously as Evil Sunz and just wanted to come up with something different this time around, so I have been tossing around a lot of ideas. I just have a couple questions regarding the idea I have that sticks out in my head.
I understand that Orks are not "Immune" to Chaos but they are also incredibly resistant to corruption based on the fact that most of the Chaos gods would have nothing to offer them, but it is known that a few of them have turned to help Khorne. (Some turned into Savages making offerings to a Shrine of Angron on Armageddon).
What is there to say that a tribe has not turned complete to Khorne? Basically I had idea to create an Ork Army that was Khorne "Worshippers", perhaps even going so far as to say they paint their skin red? Steal a few Khorne Icons out of my roommates Chaosy bits? Has anyone seen something like this? Da World Eataz?
Another facet to this and another possible Origin would be based around the Orks that are in the final Grey Knight book "Hammer of Daemons", they are taken to a Khorne planet and "Forced" to be Gladiators, perhaps they dropped spores while they were on the planet (highly likely) and those spores spawned Red Orks due to the high concentration of red dirt and blood in the ground?
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Why not? The old Demonhunters codex mentioned orks possibly being tainted by chaos, despite some purists claiming the impossibility of it. It's your army and that would make a unique and thematic force. The orks may not be corrupted directly by chaos but I could certainly see them being impressed by Khorne. Maybe they think he's Gork? (Kork? Gorn? : )
Well so far it's just been fan based fluff to make em chaos, but the most likely reason for reder skin.. i'd say cuz the ecosystem on the planet makes the fungus red instead.. at times dont care if it's fluff legit or not Make the ARMY YOU WANT!
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How about Tau Orks? They use looted tau tanks (I have visions of a hammerhead on wheels pulled by a team of grots) and battlesuits (could make it a walker force if you wanted to) and follow their leader on "The Greater WAAAAGH!"
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I say the most important thing first; It's your Orks you can do what you want with them. I love the idea of Orks raised differently. They wouldn't know any better. The concept is that a group of Savage Orks or Wild Boyz, were found by Khorne or his minions. They would be ideal for training and being put in the battlefield.
My only word of caution is they must stay away from other Orks. If they even hear whispers of a Waaagh! cry the pull would become too great and they will burn their masters.
Also their very nature would make them difficult to control. They grow Bigger and Stronger through battle. Even if they were raised differently, once they get a taste for fighting, it's a drug to them and if Choas doesn't constantly engage them, they will find someone that will. It would be about changing how Choas views battle tatics as well.
The only reason Orks do not make good minions of Khorne (or Slaanesh) is because they will only follow the strongest, they will never worship them, they don't even worship their own gods. Their gods are only what they aspire to and if given the chance they will kill Mork or Gork so that they will become an Ork god themselves.
As for why they are red, I wrote a little something about why Orks are not always green in another thread called Ork Races It might help you just make them red because that's what race they are.
With all that said, it would be interesting to have Choas Orks.
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Agreed, they're your models, do whatever you want with them.
I wonder how this is supposed to be unique, though?
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Thanks guys! I actually started digging into it and reading a little bit more as well as picking my brain and here is what I have come up with. It even involves just a teeny bit of actual fluff! I am going to spoiler it, if you haven't read the Grey Knights book 3 "Hammer of Daemons" and you care about the plot line, please proceed at your own risk.
Spoiler:
In the 3rd Grey Knights book "Hammer of Daemons", the main GK for the series Alaric, is captured by Daemons and send to a Khorne world where he is stripped of his wargear and has a collar slapped on him to nullify his psychic wards, at that point they make him into a Gladiator. When he gets thrown into the cells he encounters the other Gladiators, a few of whom are Orks, led by one bigger Ork that they call "One Ear". I believe as it seems to be in Ork nature, that they would have dropped spores! The entire planet was red, the ground, the sky, even the architecture for the most part was all red (cuz Blood for the Blood God). The nature of the entire planet being red and the amount of blood soaked into the ground (cuz Blood for the Blood God), had a reaction with the spores and turned the skin of the Orks born from them, a blood red. One Ear survives the end of the book, so I would like to think that maybe he was still alive and roaming around fighting whatever he could! (cuz Orks!). He found the "new borns" and molded them into his personal army. I wouldn't necessarily say at this point that they "Worship" Khorne in any sense of the word, but he sure does bring an awful lot of Killin' and Violence! So maybe they think that Khorne is Mork! (as suggested above, that was great, thank you!).
Whether they stayed on the planet and just started killin everything they could find, or stole a ship and believed it would get them off the planet (because we know if Orks believe it, it works!).
Let me know what you think, It honestly sounds a lot like all of the stuff that was mentioned above! and I would like to thank everyone for the feedback! I will start working on them in the near future!
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"You are like a son and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done and now passes to you for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you Warmaster and from this day forth all of my armies and generals shall take orders from you as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you for your brother Primarchs are strong of will, of thought and of action.
The New Ork God, Khork! and yes if One Ear deems that Khork has cried Waaagh! they will follow him to the battle. They will loot and make all of the Choas weapons in there own design. I love it and I would love to see what you do with them, Red Orks in Black 'Eavy Armor
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Well Khorne worshipping orks are part of the Games Workshop background even if not mentioned for a while.
Mainly there were Stormboyz of Khorne whose martial focus became so extreme that they turned to Khorne.
I think the source book Ere We Go covers them but I could be mistaken. Even so, search for that online as well as Waaagh The Orks (the first book) and Freebooterz (the third book).
These are Rogue Trader edition books but well worth reading for great ork background material.
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"You are like a son and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done and now passes to you for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you Warmaster and from this day forth all of my armies and generals shall take orders from you as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you for your brother Primarchs are strong of will, of thought and of action.
And here it is! a little snippet, but there none the less!
"You are like a son and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done and now passes to you for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you Warmaster and from this day forth all of my armies and generals shall take orders from you as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you for your brother Primarchs are strong of will, of thought and of action.
I think there are two issues here, personally: 1) Orks would have a problem "communicating" with Chaos Gods, in my opinion. Humans open themselves up to the Warp, Orks generate their own psychic field and their own presence in the Warp. Gork and Mork only "exist" because the Ork latent psychic energy manifests itself as the two of them. Any influence of Khorne would "bounce off", so to speak, the Ork WAAAAGH! psychic field, manifesting itself as Gork and/or Mork punching him in the face.
2) The reason Khorne has "notably Orkish characteristics" is that they kill so much in the Galaxy and by pure chance they end up providing blood and skulls for him. But it's pure chance, not because they're "corrupted" for the reasons I stated.
Maurepas wrote: I think there are two issues here, personally: 1) Orks would have a problem "communicating" with Chaos Gods, in my opinion. Humans open themselves up to the Warp, Orks generate their own psychic field and their own presence in the Warp. Gork and Mork only "exist" because the Ork latent psychic energy manifests itself as the two of them. Any influence of Khorne would "bounce off", so to speak, the Ork WAAAAGH! psychic field, manifesting itself as Gork and/or Mork punching him in the face.
2) The reason Khorne has "notably Orkish characteristics" is that they kill so much in the Galaxy and by pure chance they end up providing blood and skulls for him. But it's pure chance, not because they're "corrupted" for the reasons I stated.
According to the excerpt above from a GW published book, Orks have "worshipped" Khorne in the past.
"You are like a son and together we have all but conquered the galaxy. Now the time has come for me to retire to Terra. My work as a soldier is done and now passes to you for I have great tasks to perform in my earthly sanctum. I name you Warmaster and from this day forth all of my armies and generals shall take orders from you as if the words came from mine own mouth. But words of caution I have for you for your brother Primarchs are strong of will, of thought and of action.
Stromboyz are a little bit special for ork: they don't like they typical relax non-organised society, and are looking for martial discipline. That's why they could fall to Khorne in the early days. Nurgle, tzeentch or Slaanesh are much more alien to the ork psychee. Especially Nurgle (depressed ork? Really?), and don't get me started on this illustration in the V3 GK codex.
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JeffVimes wrote: Stromboyz are a little bit special for ork: they don't like they typical relax non-organised society, and are looking for martial discipline. That's why they could fall to Khorne in the early days. Nurgle, tzeentch or Slaanesh are much more alien to the ork psychee. Especially Nurgle (depressed ork? Really?), and don't get me started on this illustration in the V3 GK codex.
Where orks worshipped Nurgle it was due of I recall correctly due to a Great Unclean One's general appearance being mistaken as a manifestation of Gork or Mork.
In any case orks can and do worship the Chaos Gods at times for various reasons. It is uncommon but it is possible.
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Maurepas wrote: I think there are two issues here, personally: 1) Orks would have a problem "communicating" with Chaos Gods, in my opinion. Humans open themselves up to the Warp, Orks generate their own psychic field and their own presence in the Warp. Gork and Mork only "exist" because the Ork latent psychic energy manifests itself as the two of them. Any influence of Khorne would "bounce off", so to speak, the Ork WAAAAGH! psychic field, manifesting itself as Gork and/or Mork punching him in the face.
2) The reason Khorne has "notably Orkish characteristics" is that they kill so much in the Galaxy and by pure chance they end up providing blood and skulls for him. But it's pure chance, not because they're "corrupted" for the reasons I stated.
According to the excerpt above from a GW published book, Orks have "worshipped" Khorne in the past.
That excerpt seems to be Rogue Trader era though, Ork background and official canon have changed significantly since then though.
Also, notice that it doesn't say worship. Orks do not worship, Orks are attracted to things because fighting makes them Bigger and Stronger. If they have to take time from fighting to build a Throne (which would mean stop fighting and waste time) out of skulls - they would attack even Khorne and smash his throne.
Tef are really Trophies, they are used as currency because they are giving their trophy for Weapons and Wargear. The only Idol they make is a Warmachine called a Stompa - it's not build for their Gods approval, it's built so they can say they can fight as good as their gods.
Even Stormboyz will lose their attraction to the Choas Gods if they want them to do anything other than fight.
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Orks respect Strength, and as Strong as Khorne is, compared to Gork or Mork he's a weakling.
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Brokksamson wrote: Alrighty... so I have been trying to think of a "Unique" Theme for an Ork army, I built Orks previously as Evil Sunz and just wanted to come up with something different this time around, so I have been tossing around a lot of ideas. I just have a couple questions regarding the idea I have that sticks out in my head.
I understand that Orks are not "Immune" to Chaos but they are also incredibly resistant to corruption based on the fact that most of the Chaos gods would have nothing to offer them, but it is known that a few of them have turned to help Khorne. (Some turned into Savages making offerings to a Shrine of Angron on Armageddon).
What is there to say that a tribe has not turned complete to Khorne? Basically I had idea to create an Ork Army that was Khorne "Worshippers", perhaps even going so far as to say they paint their skin red? Steal a few Khorne Icons out of my roommates Chaosy bits? Has anyone seen something like this? Da World Eataz?
Another facet to this and another possible Origin would be based around the Orks that are in the final Grey Knight book "Hammer of Daemons", they are taken to a Khorne planet and "Forced" to be Gladiators, perhaps they dropped spores while they were on the planet (highly likely) and those spores spawned Red Orks due to the high concentration of red dirt and blood in the ground?
Blood Axes in 2nd Edition. They even had the Khorne symbol on their banners.
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Sleg wrote: The only Idol they make is a Warmachine called a Stompa
Orks make Idols to Gork and Mork out of their dung. That also make more than Stompas. They have Guargants and whatnots.
Also Gorkamorka, the gigantic IDOL of Gork and Mork that the Orks build as a shrine of worship to the gods. It also started a theological war between the Orks.
So Orks do infact "worship" and they have many different idols to prove it.
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That doesn't mean that Orks "worship" their gods in the same sense that humans worship.
Also, Gork and Mork are the most powerful warp entities in the galaxy, putting Khorne to shame quite easily-- even described as beating Khorne up for fun.
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Brokksamson wrote: Alrighty... so I have been trying to think of a "Unique" Theme for an Ork army, I built Orks previously as Evil Sunz and just wanted to come up with something different this time around, so I have been tossing around a lot of ideas. I just have a couple questions regarding the idea I have that sticks out in my head.
I understand that Orks are not "Immune" to Chaos but they are also incredibly resistant to corruption based on the fact that most of the Chaos gods would have nothing to offer them, but it is known that a few of them have turned to help Khorne. (Some turned into Savages making offerings to a Shrine of Angron on Armageddon).
What is there to say that a tribe has not turned complete to Khorne? Basically I had idea to create an Ork Army that was Khorne "Worshippers", perhaps even going so far as to say they paint their skin red? Steal a few Khorne Icons out of my roommates Chaosy bits? Has anyone seen something like this? Da World Eataz?
Another facet to this and another possible Origin would be based around the Orks that are in the final Grey Knight book "Hammer of Daemons", they are taken to a Khorne planet and "Forced" to be Gladiators, perhaps they dropped spores while they were on the planet (highly likely) and those spores spawned Red Orks due to the high concentration of red dirt and blood in the ground?
Blood Axes in 2nd Edition. They even had the Khorne symbol on their banners.
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Sleg wrote: The only Idol they make is a Warmachine called a Stompa
Orks make Idols to Gork and Mork out of their dung. That also make more than Stompas. They have Guargants and whatnots.
Also Gorkamorka, the gigantic IDOL of Gork and Mork that the Orks build as a shrine of worship to the gods. It also started a theological war between the Orks.
So Orks do infact "worship" and they have many different idols to prove it.
I think that ultimately makes the issue here. In second edition Orks would be perfectly capable of worship of Khorne. But in 3rd and 4th editions of the Codex, they've really fleshed out how the Ork psychic field, and the Ork "Gods" work(as well as even Ork reproduction, etc. were changed and retconned), and I think in the current version of Orks and their characterization prevents any joining or creation of Khorne cults.
Melissia wrote: That doesn't mean that Orks "worship" their gods in the same sense that humans worship.
That would imply that all Humans worship the same way.
No humans worship their gods the same way that Orks do. Even the most warlike humans are veritable peacemongers compared to the Orks.
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Khorne Berzerkers reject the idea of peace-- but Orks never had a concept of peace to begin with.
War is all they ever knew, all they ever wanted. They reproduce through war. They make war in every aspect of their lives, in a way taht even surpasses a Khorne Berzerker, whose outlook on life is so bizarre as to be utterly alien to us modern humans.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissia wrote: Khorne Berzerkers reject the idea of peace-- but Orks never had a concept of peace to begin with.
War is all they ever knew, all they ever wanted. They reproduce through war. They make war in every aspect of their lives, in a way taht even surpasses a Khorne Berzerker, whose outlook on life is so bizarre as to be utterly alien to us modern humans.
The Ork way of life does not reflect their method of worship.
The same can be said for Khorne Bezerkers.
War is all they know, all they want... they reproduce through geneseeds cultivated from the battlefields of war. They make war in every aspect of their lives, in a way that surpasses even and Ork, whose outlook
on life is so bizarre as to be utterly alien to us modern Humans.
Orks have Kulture. Bezerkers have BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
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DeffDred wrote: The Ork way of life does not reflect their method of worship.
I think you got it backwards there.
The Ork way of life is war. Orks are biological weapons created to make war. Their gods are a warp-entity representation of this-- the ultimate war machines, utterly invincible, laughing off attacks as they bash their enemies. Ergo, Orks, insomuch as they worship at all, do so by making war in everything that they do.
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DeffDred wrote: The Ork way of life does not reflect their method of worship.
I think you got it backwards there.
The Ork way of life is war. Orks are biological weapons created to make war. Their gods are a warp-entity representation of this-- the ultimate war machines, utterly invincible, laughing off attacks as they bash their enemies. Ergo, Orks, insomuch as they worship at all, do so by making war in everything that they do.
That's a very narrow view of the Ork Kulture.
That would mean that they make Fungus Brew because it has military applications.
They craft clothing and jewelry to be used as weapons. Damp towel ccws!!!
The fact that they have art would show that their is more to an Orks life than warfare.
Does the crusty ol' Runtherd raise all squigs to be used as bombs? None are used as food or entertainment?
IMHO, analysis of Orks show that they're more Slaaneshi than Khorne, not that fluff writers seem to realize this (at least the old fluff writers back when Orks could turn to Khorne, but Slaanesh orks are almost never mentioned if ever. These days I'm not sure Chaos Orks are on the table anymore).
You would NEVER see a Khorne worshiper indulding in speed for speed's sake, bling and shiny stuff (free booterz, flash moons), beer, face squig eating contests (that's not a real fight), or mercifully releasing an enemy because fighting that enemy is fun (Yarrick, who was released after a spot of torture, which is also a Slaanesh thing). All of these things (as well as Orks fighting which is canonically constantly referred to as FUN), are done for PLEASURE.
In addition, Orks don't particularly care about honor. They do have their own honor sense but it's not nearly as strict as Khorne's (to an ork, doing things the "orky way" is more like preferred guidelines than law). One if their gods hits you hard when you aren't looking. That's not a Khorne thing (not a Slaanesh thing either admititngly. It's actually primarily a Tzeentcian trait, although one that a Slaanesh follower would have no problems with doing too. Khorne, however, has issues with such tactics)
....anyways, this does show there's more to Orks than just fighting. Primarily orks are in things for fun, really. It's just that fighting tends to be the most fun of all for them, but they'll do other things too.
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