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Orks being -corrupted- by chaos? Nope, they don't live long enough, and are very resistant.

Orks willingly turning to Khorne? Possible. Either they just want to be stronger, or "Killier!", or else, I can easilly imagine ork's confusing khorne worship with worship of Gork and mork, believing it is Gork and mork, not khorne, that is giving them power. Khorne isn't known for deception, but it's also noted in the fluff he has the closest thing to a soft spot as khorne could have, for orks. He is at least, facinated by their relentless bloodlust, and most likely wouldn't pass up the oppertunity to test the ork's limits.

 Evileyes wrote:
Orks being -corrupted- by chaos? Nope, they don't live long enough, and are very resistant.

Orks willingly turning to Khorne? Possible. Either they just want to be stronger, or "Killier!", or else, I can easilly imagine ork's confusing khorne worship with worship of Gork and mork, believing it is Gork and mork, not khorne, that is giving them power. Khorne isn't known for deception, but it's also noted in the fluff he has the closest thing to a soft spot as khorne could have, for orks. He is at least, facinated by their relentless bloodlust, and most likely wouldn't pass up the oppertunity to test the ork's limits.

Orks don't ever become senile or die of old age, but they die in combat so frequently it's rare for them to see their first century.

 Evileyes wrote:
Orks being -corrupted- by chaos? Nope, they don't live long enough, and are very resistant.

Orks willingly turning to Khorne? Possible. Either they just want to be stronger, or "Killier!", or else, I can easilly imagine ork's confusing khorne worship with worship of Gork and mork, believing it is Gork and mork, not khorne, that is giving them power. Khorne isn't known for deception, but it's also noted in the fluff he has the closest thing to a soft spot as khorne could have, for orks. He is at least, facinated by their relentless bloodlust, and most likely wouldn't pass up the oppertunity to test the ork's limits.

Age has nothing to do with chaos worship.

He hasn't passed up the opportunity to test the Orks limits.

That's why there is a Daemon World with eternal Orks fighting for all time upon it.

Lol, back when I was like 13 I had some Orks I painted red to be Chaos Orks.

Pity there isn't a codex for this. Nurgle Orks would be scary good.

Orks generally aren't very religious which imo makes them indifferent to lure of chaos. If an ork "worships" khorne and he meets a more powerfull warboss that "worships" mork, the ork starts to "worship" mork tomorrow.

 Evileyes wrote:
Orks being -corrupted- by chaos? Nope, they don't live long enough, and are very resistant.

Orks willingly turning to Khorne? Possible. Either they just want to be stronger, or "Killier!", or else, I can easilly imagine ork's confusing khorne worship with worship of Gork and mork, believing it is Gork and mork, not khorne, that is giving them power. Khorne isn't known for deception, but it's also noted in the fluff he has the closest thing to a soft spot as khorne could have, for orks. He is at least, facinated by their relentless bloodlust, and most likely wouldn't pass up the oppertunity to test the ork's limits.

Actually, theoretically an Ork has no age limit, as in they don't die of old age(or at the very least, the Imperium has yet to witness one doing so), it's just that as a general rule he'll be killed in battle before he could, as he is relentlessly driven to do so.

What I meant was, it's rare for an ork to live long, because they die so frequently. I diddn't mean ork's had short lifespans, or that age had anything to do with chaos worship. Only that chaos corruption tends to be a drawn out process rather than a flash conversion, and an ork will typically die before they can attain any kind of beneficial warp mutation, especially with their natural resistance to it.

Not through ageing. Through their gun exploding, picking a fight with another ork, death in battle, death through a painboy stealing your innards, picking a fight with a tyranid, ex, ex.

All I can say is a War without end. I agree that orks fight for fun. But when a Waaagh! is cried, they fight till they drop. They will not stop fighting because someone says stop and organize. They put those symbols on banners so they can hit each other with them.
The only way to prevent a warboss from being usurped by another Ork is to show strength and keep them fighting. The reason they didn't kill Yarrick is because he no longer had any fight left in him - if he was still fighting them they would have continued beating (torturing) him, until he either died or had no fight left. Orks only care about the more aggressive enemies - it's why they don't just wipe out the Snotlings and Gretchins (though they are fun to smack around) they aren't strong enough to make an Ork stronger. so they are either ignored or made to do something useful.
Orks do not sacrifice for the gods, they don't fear being smited, nor do they look for them to make their lives better. they aren't corruptible but they will follow the stronger (species doesn't matter). If they will test to find out if they are stronger by attacking those that they follow. It's simple.
If a god tells them to attack an unarmed village, they will attack but get bored and go find something that will fight back, this usually means the one that told them to attack in the first place. The best way to stop an ork from killing you is to drop you weapons and run away - they will have a good laugh and look for a better challenge. Yes this is fun and a game to them, but it's their nature to become the biggest baddest Ork around.

I'm curious, has there been any sourcebooks on what happens to orks/gretchin/snotlings that hatch in a non-ork society?

Is the ork mindset hardwired from spawning, or does the environment play a part? Nature/nurture and all that.

It seems there would be lots of instances of orks/gretchin/snotlings popping out in random settlements simply due to the nature of ork reproduction.

 Evileyes wrote:
Only that chaos corruption tends to be a drawn out process rather than a flash conversion

Haven't read the Soul Drinkers book have you?

...especially with their natural resistance to it.

I keep seeing people say this. Where is this quoted?

Hospy wrote:
I'm curious, has there been any sourcebooks on what happens to orks/gretchin/snotlings that hatch in a non-ork society?

Is the ork mindset hardwired from spawning, or does the environment play a part? Nature/nurture and all that.

It seems there would be lots of instances of orks/gretchin/snotlings popping out in random settlements simply due to the nature of ork reproduction.

Orks that hatch without "Modern" Orks around them, become Feral Orks known as Wild Boyz, less technological than the Snake Bite Klan - but pretty much the same. They can live for generations without ever doing much more than being Feral. If "Modern Orks" encounter them or they hear the Waaagh! cry, they will be drawn to fight along with the other Ork can without missing a beat will integrate into the culture.
Which is why the Red Choas Orks should never hear the call. But they have One Ear and do not live without technology. But it only takes one Waaagh! and all the "training" that chaos did with them will be for not and they will just become regular Orks.

In 1st edition there were khornate stormboyz, possessed weirdboyz, and i think a chaos warband in the freebooterz book , orks can most definitely follow chaos it's just uncommon.
Converting orks would be a lot easier than you think. give them a killy sword and tell them they have to dedicate every kill to khorne , i think an ork would do it with no qualms, being the practical beings they are.

As for the citation on Ork resistance to the influence of Chaos, that's mentioned as part of the lore regarding Ork Freebootas in the Rogue Trader RPG. Orks don't have a corruption mechanic. They have insanity, but they don't gain corruption. Only Blanks share this attribute, though for entirely different reasons-- the Ork resistance is described as psychological; they just don't care, chaos is weak and Orks are strong and there is literally nothing that draws Orks towards worshipping the ruinous powers.

There is a precedent for Orks worshiping the Chaos gods. In the Khorne supplement for the Black Crusade RPG, there is a section detailing a very specific ork population on a specific planet who worship Khorne. They even have a rule called "blood for da blood god".

Yes. They're such an insignificant minority of Orks that they are effectively unheard of. There's a few outliers who are just so insane and ignorant that they'll worship Khorne, but they're just that, outliers. Out of octillions of Orks, there can't be but a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a single thousandth of a percent that worship Chaos.

I mean I know that certain people want to think that slapping "Chaos" before the name of their army makes them sound cool and all, but it really doesn't.

Who cares if they're a minority? A precedent is a precedent, which was the man's question.

I'm not telling people what to do with their models. But that doesn't mean that I have ANY obligation to tell them that their idea for their army is "oh so cool" because they took a normal army and slapped "chaos" on the beginning of its name, nor does it mean that I have any obligation to encourage them to do so.

No amount of shouting by you will change this.

Except he didn't ask if people "thought it was cool" for orks to turn to Chaos, he asked if it was fluffy- which I've just proven that it is.

So, basically you're just whining for the sake of whining. Okay cool. Are you done?

I always thought chaos orks were cool , I also made up many orky chaos warbands via lost and the damned.

There is something awesome about an ork that goes," feth it, i want to be harder, who is going to give me something powerful to be a bigger boss? you are? Awesome I'm now going to krump things with it"

I want to see this chaosy Orky army OP!

We're trying to talk about Orks here, not about your weird hatred for me. So anyway, about them Orks...

From Rogue Trader: Into the Storm...

Orks in service to the Dark Gods, or even succumbing to the corrupting influence of the warp, are so rare as to be essentially unheard of. Simply put, Orks aren't easily tempted to Chaos and they're far more resistant to to the warping influence of Chaos than humans, for reasons that nobody has been able to accurately define. Consequently, Orks don't gain Corruption Points.

There we go, page 61. Was wondering where I put that supplement anyway.

Although it has almost certainly been rewritten (for the worse in my opinion) I will leave this here. 'Ere We Go and WAAAAGHH! Da Orks were both awesome books and showed orks as something far superior to the fungus thug orks of today.

BlaxicanX wrote:
There is a precedent for Orks worshiping the Chaos gods. In the Khorne supplement for the Black Crusade RPG, there is a section detailing a very specific ork population on a specific planet who worship Khorne. They even have a rule called "blood for da blood god".

There may be precedent in a previous edition, but I would argue that that fluff has been retconned in the latest edition to no longer be possible, due to the way they've fleshed out how Orks work with regards to their psychic fields and their presence in the Warp.


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 Kojiro wrote:
Although it has almost certainly been rewritten (for the worse in my opinion) I will leave this here. 'Ere We Go and WAAAAGHH! Da Orks were both awesome books and showed orks as something far superior to the fungus thug orks of today.

I disagree, the latest edition really separates them as their own thing, separate from other versions of Orcs and from Warhammer fantasy. I'll take Fungus Thugs and their unique attributes over being essentially stupid humans any day.

 Kojiro wrote:
Although it has almost certainly been rewritten (for the worse in my opinion) I will leave this here. 'Ere We Go and WAAAAGHH! Da Orks were both awesome books and showed orks as something far inferior to the fungus thug orks of today.

Fixed that for you

The Orks of today are the unstoppable barbarians at the gates, the endless green tide that can never be beaten, only delayed. They are funny only because their culture is so different and incomprehensible to us-- within the context of their culture, everything Orks do makes perfect sense, and is completely logical. The Orks of that era you pine for, however, were at best just weird biker-thugs with very little flavor to go by, just rampant silliness without substance-- a joke, nothing more, and completely ignorable. While certainly it is a matter of taste, that is far less interesting to me than the mixture of dark humor and serious threat that the current Orks are..

 Melissia wrote:

 Kojiro wrote:
Although it has almost certainly been rewritten (for the worse in my opinion) I will leave this here. 'Ere We Go and WAAAAGHH! Da Orks were both awesome books and showed orks as something far inferior to the fungus thug orks of today.

Fixed that for you

The Orks of today are the unstoppable barbarians at the gates, the endless green tide that can never be beaten, only delayed. They are funny only because their culture is so different and incomprehensible to us-- within the context of their culture, everything Orks do makes perfect sense, and is completely logical. The Orks of that era you pine for, however, were at best just weird biker-thugs with very little flavor to go by, just rampant silliness without substance-- a joke, nothing more, and completely ignorable. While certainly it is a matter of taste, that is far less interesting to me than the mixture of dark humor and serious threat that the current Orks are..

I had ere we go, waaagh da orks and freebooterz and I must say I don't see much difference between them (in attitude) and the orks of today. The old ork stories in those books had all the same irrepressable love of life and fearlessness that orks still possess. I like the change to fungas it kinda made alot of sense when you considered orks ate fungas, distilled fungas and threw fungas at gretchin and snotlings.
The one thing i didn't like after 3rd editition was BS 2 , I want my shooty orks back :(

In fifth edition, shooty Orks were pretty popular despite the BS2-- volume of fire nad all that.

It's a different style of shooty than Guard or Tau, but it's very doable.

 Melissia wrote:
In fifth edition, shooty Orks were pretty popular despite the BS2-- volume of fire nad all that.

It's a different style of shooty than Guard or Tau, but it's very doable.

It's just about volume of shots. I mean, 10 Lootas = Potentially 30 Shots, 20 Shootas = 40 Shots, 9 Killa Kanz with Big Shootas = 27 Shots.

I mean, that's a lot of Dakka, even at BS2

 Melissia wrote:
Fixed that for you

As I said, in my opinion.

The Orks of today are the unstoppable barbarians at the gates, the endless green tide that can never be beaten, only delayed. They are funny only because their culture is so different and incomprehensible to us-- within the context of their culture, everything Orks do makes perfect sense, and is completely logical.

I'll grant you they are that, but this is the shallow ork. One dimensional single mindedness. The current ork Codex is a dilution of the old work with amped up orks.

The Orks of that era you pine for, however, were at best just weird biker-thugs with very little flavor to go by, just rampant silliness without substance-- a joke, nothing more, and completely ignorable.

Very little flavour...? What? I suggest you seriously reread those books. Waaaargh! The Orks is over 100 pages of pure background and fluff. It contains zero rules. It details everything from ork economics, biology, religion, social organisations, art and 'muzik' and even language and writing AND it goes into the different types of ork units like a codex. There is a ton of flavour here, the idea that they were 'weird biker-thugs with very little flavor' is demonstrably false.

 Melissia wrote:
While certainly it is a matter of taste, that is far less interesting to me than the mixture of dark humor and serious threat that the current Orks are..

Orks were always a serious threat. That idea that orks could conquer known space isn't new to the current generation of orks and if you're looking for dark humour again I strongly suggest you reread the old material.

 Kain wrote:
Orks respect Strength, and as Strong as Khorne is, compared to Gork or Mork he's a weakling.

This is a god who's merest blow tears apart the fabric of reality, and is stated in several sources as being undefeatable in any battle. Get off it already.

there are more orks in the universe of 40k than worshippers of khorne, therefore Gork and Mork are stronger than Khorne. It is that simple, all orks contribute to the strength of gork and mork.

Korm wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Orks respect Strength, and as Strong as Khorne is, compared to Gork or Mork he's a weakling.

This is a god who's merest blow tears apart the fabric of reality, and is stated in several sources as being undefeatable in any battle. Get off it already.

And yet in the official codex Gork and Mork laugh off his blows with a raucous laugh.