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Hi all

Finally escalated my local games to 1500 pts and will be playing against Tau and Eldar only for the forseeable future. Played a few 1k pt games on Sunday and got taken apart by mass Wave Serpents and HYMS broadsides >.> Anyway going for a fun list that should do well and am looking for pointers. Don't expect to see either a wraithknight or a crimson hunter (though the flier is possible) but I will probably be seeing a riptide.



What worries me and I don't know how to get around it, is giving up first blood with the rhinos. Tau and Eldar bring so much str 6/7 firepower the rhinos will all slag in the first turn. At least whatever is inside is still doing generally ok. Should I find the points to drop a mark of nurgle on the CSM squads? Is a single heldrake just asking to be shot out of the sky? Should I maybe consodilate the obliterators into a 3 man squad and put another unit of havocs with lascannons in there? Should I drop two obliterators and squads in a second heldrake?

A second version would be:



Any thoughts, ideas, critiscm are welcome even if nothing else than to say "Dude you're on the right path!".

Both seem like good lists to me. I'm not sure there is an easy solution to giving up first blood, you either take the risk with the rhinos (mitigated by Huron's trait) or foot slog. I suppose dropping the rhinos would let you put in a couple of extra marines per squad, but you would just open yourself up to a lot of anti infantry weapons.

I like list one more just seems more durable but dirge casters seem a bit useless because you can't charge from rhinos so earliest you will get charge is turn 2 at best also I'm guessing Huron is going in the first rhino which means it will get plastered and most likely give away first blood/warlord .Have you thought about noise marine with sonic blasters using Huron's infiltrate ability because there fearless can laydown lots of fire and better than generic CSM in combat. Your heavy support and fast attack is perfect they can dish out tons of fire and survive a lot.

Thanks for the comments so far.

 commisar rhodes wrote:
I like list one more just seems more durable but dirge casters seem a bit useless because you can't charge from rhinos so earliest you will get charge is turn 2 at best also I'm guessing Huron is going in the first rhino which means it will get plastered and most likely give away first blood/warlord .Have you thought about noise marine with sonic blasters using Huron's infiltrate ability because there fearless can laydown lots of fire and better than generic CSM in combat. Your heavy support and fast attack is perfect they can dish out tons of fire and survive a lot.

I hear you. In the event a rhino is still standing on turn 2, I would like to prevent broadside TL overwatch or equivalent but I do agree the dirge casters are the first bit of fat to be trimmed if needed. My idea with the Rhinos is to try overload one of the flanks adn let the Rhinos all support each other.

I have indeed thought about noise marines, and I'm guessing you mean without Rhinos? My problem is that for them to work, they have to be static and with highly mobile Tau and Eldar across the board, I don't see them being used effectively. In addition, the lack of AP1/2 guns on the noise marines is a bit of a kick which I don't feel Fearless makes up for. As for higher initiative, the marines will always go before Tau even without Mark of Slaanesh and the extra boost in initiative will not really help against Eldar (exarchs being what I'm more afraid of and they have I6 for the most part). Where it might help, is against Sweeping Advances but I do not expect to lose assault against either armies unless the Eldar come kitted out for assaulting.

Veteran skill is really wasted in games that doesn't involve MEQ's. I know its for the ld boost, but your regular csm have ld 9 so they should pull through most of the time.
On the other hand, your Oblits only have ld8 and if is there is one thing you dont wanna see, its some of your most durable infantry legging it after losing a man, leaving you without some very important firesupport.

Blakman wrote:
Veteran skill is really wasted in games that doesn't involve MEQ's. I know its for the ld boost, but your regular csm have ld 9 so they should pull through most of the time.
On the other hand, your Oblits only have ld8 and if is there is one thing you dont wanna see, its some of your most durable infantry legging it after losing a man, leaving you without some very important firesupport.

Thanks for pointing that out! I usually run oblits as single units so don't always remember that.

Always glad to help out

On the first list, who is manning the Aegis Defence line? Certainly not the obliterators because you'd be wasting their shots.. And all the Chaos Space Marines are in Rhinos... Maybe the Havocs, firing with the sergeant, but then you'd have to fire the Autocannons at the same target, which would be annoying if you had to shoot at a flier, you'd be wasting a lot of shots. And Huron is a bit of a 'Jack of All Trades, Master of None' sort of character, I think a Lord with AoBR and BBoS would be better ^_^

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
On the first list, who is manning the Aegis Defence line? Certainly not the obliterators because you'd be wasting their shots.. And all the Chaos Space Marines are in Rhinos... Maybe the Havocs, firing with the sergeant, but then you'd have to fire the Autocannons at the same target, which would be annoying if you had to shoot at a flier, you'd be wasting a lot of shots. And Huron is a bit of a 'Jack of All Trades, Master of None' sort of character, I think a Lord with AoBR and BBoS would be better ^_^

Quadgun being manned by Sergeant I prefer huron over dedicated assault Lord because of the flexibility he brings and ESPECIALLY the infiltrate. I'll consider a Khorne lord though, thanks