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Can a unit, let's say bikes (but any one really), can assault the first turn?
We looked in the book, checked the FAQs, and the only thing we saw was that no one can assault out of reserves or deep strike. Are we all missing something in the rulebook? We checked in them last wekeend (all 5 of us) and for what it was worth, we saw nothing at all blocking someone to assault right off the bat at turn 1.

That's correct - unless a unit infiltrated our scouted that unit can assault on the first (player) turn.

It's relatively difficult to do against a decent opponent but possible.

Nothing in general the BRB prevents a first turn assault. However, the movement rules do make First turn assaults much more difficult in this edition vs. previous editions.

Indeed nothing prevents a first turn assault except most rules that concern deployment. its specifically states no assault in, outflank, scout, deep strike, infiltrate etc.

and it is entirely impossible to assault turn one if you go first and your opponent has not scouted or infiltrated.

it is possible if you go second and your opponent has moved towards you within 24" of a bike/beast/etc.

also lucius pattern drop pods

 Desubot wrote:
and it is entirely impossible to assault turn one if you go first and your opponent has not scouted or infiltrated.

That's not true. Warlord with the +1" charge range on a bike has a 25" charge threat.
There are other examples.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
and it is entirely impossible to assault turn one if you go first and your opponent has not scouted or infiltrated.

That's not true. Warlord with the +1" charge range on a bike has a 25" charge threat.
There are other examples.

Oh right i forgot about those.

(actually i don't know too many codex specific rules that can change move/charge distance ether.)

Probably the easiest way is BT. If you take the abhor the witch vow, then stick chaplain w. crusader seals in a unit of assault marines (chaplain not necessary but makes it easier). If the enemy army has a psyker (probable) then every unit in your army moves d6" towards it (rerollable with chaplain IIRC), then 12" move, possible 12" charge = win

Orks can have a real go at it.

Trukks and Wagons with a Red Paintjob can move 7", deploy infantry 6" and then get a lucky charge of 12" for a potential 25". Just enough to squeak past the deployment requirements.

Alternatively, the often-overlooked Stormboyz. Move 12"+D6 and then charge 2D6 Jump, +D6, means they have a real stab at it. The rerolls from a Jump Pack mean it isn't even that unlikely.

If you move 7" you cant deploy though no?

Edit: i think new Eldar warp spiders can do it too

 Desubot wrote:
If you move 7" you cant deploy though no?

Edit: i think new Eldar warp spiders can do it too

Red paint job gives you an extra 1" of movement that doesn't count as having been moved.

 Desubot wrote:
If you move 7" you cant deploy though no?

It's an Ork upgrade. They get an extra free 1", so they can move 7" (counting as 6") and still disembark.

Mozzamanx wrote:
Orks can have a real go at it.

Trukks and Wagons with a Red Paintjob can move 7", deploy infantry 6" and then get a lucky charge of 12" for a potential 25". Just enough to squeak past the deployment requirements.

Alternatively, the often-overlooked Stormboyz. Move 12"+D6 and then charge 2D6 Jump, +D6, means they have a real stab at it. The rerolls from a Jump Pack mean it isn't even that unlikely.

You have to choose between using a jump pack in the movement phase or in the assault phase. So while it's possible to go 12+D6" in the movement phase, you wouldn't get the assault range re-roll. Still doable, but not quite that easy.

tgjensen wrote:


You have to choose between using a jump pack in the movement phase or in the assault phase. So while it's possible to go 12+D6" in the movement phase, you wouldn't get the assault range re-roll. Still doable, but not quite that easy.

Really? I don't remember reading THAT can you give a quote so I can show the BA player in my group please?

Tactical_Genius wrote:
Really? I don't remember reading THAT can you give a quote so I can show the BA player in my group please?

Page 47, BRB. First sentence after the bolded fluff stuff. "- they cannot use their jump packs in both phases in the same turn."

Answered 30 seconds before I did, so... ignore.

Look under the jump pack rules. It clearly states it there.

 Quanar wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:
Really? I don't remember reading THAT can you give a quote so I can show the BA player in my group please?

Page 47, BRB. First sentence after the bolded fluff stuff. "- they cannot use their jump packs in both phases in the same turn."

Cheers

The intent is quite clear - you're not supposed to be able to charge without your opponent being able to prepare for the possibility. The gap between deployment zones allows this to happen for Seizing the Initiative, where your opponent won't see where your attack could come from before having to deploy himself.

However - it's important to note that with Infiltrators and Scouts and the like, the rules for them only state that that unit can't charge in the first *turn* - that's player turn. If you're going second, your Infiltrating and Scouting units can still assault straight away (that first player turn is the opponent's chance to get out of the way). Likewise, if your opponent Infiltrates or Scouts their own units you are free to charge them.

 Super Ready wrote:
The intent is quite clear - you're not supposed to be able to charge without your opponent being able to prepare for the possibility. The gap between deployment zones allows this to happen for Seizing the Initiative, where your opponent won't see where your attack could come from before having to deploy himself.

However - it's important to note that with Infiltrators and Scouts and the like, the rules for them only state that that unit can't charge in the first *turn* - that's player turn. If you're going second, your Infiltrating and Scouting units can still assault straight away (that first player turn is the opponent's chance to get out of the way). Likewise, if your opponent Infiltrates or Scouts their own units you are free to charge them.

Exactly what I was about to say.

I tried this with Genestealers a few times recently. They're a bit too squishy to hold up under a turn of dedicated fire (which they will receive if theyre that close!) but if they do make it into assault first turn then they really screw with your opponents formation!!