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HQ
Crowe 150
TROOPS
Purifiers x10, Incinerators x2, Psycannon x2, Halberd x5, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino w/Dozer 340
Purifiers x10, Incinerators x2, Psycannon x2, Halberd x5, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino w/Dozer 340
Purifiers x10, Incinerators x2, Psycannon x2, Halberd x5, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino w/Dozer 340
Purifiers x10, Incinerators x2, Psycannon x2, Halberd x5, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino w/Dozer 340
Purifiers x10, Incinerators x2, Psycannon x2, Halberd x5, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino w/Dozer 340

TOTAL 1850

HQ
Mephiston 250
TROOPS
Tactical x10, Plasmagun, Missile Launcher, Power Axe, Combi-Plas, Meltabomb, Rhino w/Dozer 265
Tactical x10, Plasmagun, Missile Launcher, Power Axe, Combi-Plas, Meltabomb, Rhino w/Dozer 265
Tactical x10, Plasmagun, Missile Launcher, Power Axe, Combi-Plas, Meltabomb, Rhino w/Dozer 265
Tactical x10, Plasmagun, Missile Launcher, Power Axe, Meltabomb, Rhino w/Dozer 255
HEAVY
Vindicator w/Dozer 150
Vindicator w/Dozer 150
Vindicator w/Dozer 150

TOTAL 1750

Armour isn't useful anymore.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Armour isn't useful anymore.

Good job sniping the the thread, just look at how useful and insightful you are!

Go away.

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I think the Purifier list would work better as its far better at taking out MC's and is far more resistant to charges from hordes and other CC threats, whilst pumping out more anti-infantry firepower.

I like the GK Rhino Rush idea. I tend to footslog mine, but that's mainly because at the cost of a Knight, I'm trying to get as many boots on the ground as possible.

"What, you want a set of wheels? Feet not good enough for you, Justicar? I'll have you know that instead of that Rhino you can have an extra 2 guys to catch bullets ahead of you, thus giving you a slightly better chance of swinging that shiny Halberd we gave you at the enemy. Now quit whining and start walking."

Honestly, I only need a few of them to last a turn, turn into a crater, a piece of cover, so that I can set up a battle line to rush in and smash some faces. 50 purifiers is a pretty scary threat for just about anyone, IMO.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Armour isn't useful anymore.

Good job sniping the the thread, just look at how useful and insightful you are!

Go away.

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I think the Purifier list would work better as its far better at taking out MC's and is far more resistant to charges from hordes and other CC threats, whilst pumping out more anti-infantry firepower.

You go away. I can't imagine any decent player being afraid of 50 purifiers in AV11 chassis. Rhino rush is not viable anymore, I'm not even sure it was ever viable for GK.

He can't deal with flyers, he can't deal with AV14 effectively (you want to stop 24" away from a land raider just to shoot S7 rending, that's your decision.) he can't even really deal with armies that purifiers should excel against, like nids. 3 HG pop a rhino a turn, they don't even need to see it.

Furthermore, a properly formatted farsight bomb at 1850 will kill 50 purifiers no sweat. Riptides pop armour and suits kill 8 marines a turn, ignoring your cover and armour - more if they use the extra FB they have.

Gotta agree with Scipio. Try beating 2-3 Heldrakes. They eat your expensive Purifiers for brunch. If a rhino explodes or wrecks, they'll have nice clumped targets as well.

Purifiers just aren't very good in 6th. Too many points for a single 3+ save model is a bad deal.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Armour isn't useful anymore.

Good job sniping the the thread, just look at how useful and insightful you are!

Go away.

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I think the Purifier list would work better as its far better at taking out MC's and is far more resistant to charges from hordes and other CC threats, whilst pumping out more anti-infantry firepower.

You go away. I can't imagine any decent player being afraid of 50 purifiers in AV11 chassis. Rhino rush is not viable anymore, I'm not even sure it was ever viable for GK.

He can't deal with flyers, he can't deal with AV14 effectively (you want to stop 24" away from a land raider just to shoot S7 rending, that's your decision.) he can't even really deal with armies that purifiers should excel against, like nids. 3 HG pop a rhino a turn, they don't even need to see it.

Furthermore, a properly formatted farsight bomb at 1850 will kill 50 purifiers no sweat. Riptides pop armour and suits kill 8 marines a turn, ignoring your cover and armour - more if they use the extra FB they have.

A mech list can be made to deal with flyers and AV14, and given some constructive help (I was busy at the time of the last post) Grim Smasha can certainly edit his list to combat both.

Waltzing into a thread just to say "no won't work move along" is nothing short of rude and arrogant of you. I always play my Space Marines mechanized in Rhinos and believe me when I say that Helldrakes are not intimidating if you use your brain.

Whats the easiest way to neuter a Helldrake? get into a two level building/ruin and have half your men on each level. Now the Bale Flamer has its effectiveness halved. Even better, keep your men in the metal boxes as longs as you can. Use units that present immediate threats to draw fire from your Rhinos.

Now I can't say I've ever played against a Farsight bomb but I find the assertion that it would take on a specific list like Grim Smasha's with "no sweat" without any chance of a fair fight to be plain... well how do you want me to put it?

You're not contributing anything to this thread accept for a poor can't-do attitude and a useless opinion you've obviously hard wired into your brain.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

A mech list can be made to deal with flyers and AV14, and given some constructive help (I was busy at the time of the last post) Grim Smasha can certainly edit his list to combat both.

Not a Grey Knights mech list. They have next to 0 anti-flyer (the exception being a Multi-melta/Assault cannon storm raven, but this is an expensive anti-flyer unit.) and if you know anything about GK, it's that their achilles heel is having no reliable anti-armour. They don't get melta weaponry (except for vehicles that would get melta weaponry in other codexes.)

I suppose, he could run meltabacks, but this means he's no longer running rhino rush.

Mr.Omega wrote:
Waltzing into a thread just to say "no won't work move along" is nothing short of rude and arrogant of you. I always play my Space Marines mechanized in Rhinos and believe me when I say that Helldrakes are not intimidating if you use your brain.

Whats the easiest way to neuter a Helldrake? get into a two level building/ruin and have half your men on each level. Now the Bale Flamer has its effectiveness halved. Even better, keep your men in the metal boxes as longs as you can. Use units that present immediate threats to draw fire from your Rhinos.

I never said heldrakes were intimidating. What's intimidating is the rhino exploding, then the heldrake destroying the munchy Sv3+ inside. Lots of armies excel at eliminating AV11. some armies can't help but be capable at it. (Tau for example.)

Mr.Omega wrote:
Now I can't say I've ever played against a Farsight bomb but I find the assertion that it would take on a specific list like Grim Smasha's with "no sweat" without any chance of a fair fight to be plain... well how do you want me to put it?

You're not contributing anything to this thread accept for a poor can't-do attitude and a useless opinion you've obviously hard wired into your brain.

Let me walk you through a farsight bomb.

You're looking at a unit that deepstrikes without scattering, dealing 10~14 S6AP2 shots that are twin-linked and ignore cover all of these shots are precision as well, meaning they can pick out the incinerators or the psycannons at whim.. On top of that, you have 10 S8AP1 shots that, once again, are twin-linked and ignore cover. Note that those Fusion blasters can also target another tank or another squad if the plasma and pulse rifles is enough to kill your infantry. In each case, 2 of those shots (6 if there are 14 plasmagun shots) are BS5. On top of this, you have 28 S5AP5 shots at between BS2, 3 or 5. Once again, all of these shots are twin-linked and ignore cover. Did I mention certain iterations of this particular unit may use a Vanilla Libby to move 24" a turn, reliably? They even get a 4+ cover save in the open, from shadowsun.

Oh, and don't even think you can catch them with template weapons - they move 2D6" after deepstriking, during thrust moves, to protect themselves from such simple tactics.

On top of that, at 1850, you're looking at two S8/9AP2 Heavy1/Ordnance1 large blasts a turn - shooting at ranges up to 72" away. That's a very wrecked rhino, or a severely wounded squad. You have never fought a farsight bomb. You admit this willingly. You cannot comment on how well a farsight bomb will deal with 50 purifiers. My opinion is not useless, it just doesn't agree with yours. Rather than accept that it's my opinion, and that it may be correct, you call my opinion useless and tell me I'm not contributing. Rather than wasting time trying to insult me, go and play a well run farsight bomb with 50 purifiers, tell me how it goes. The point I Was getting across is that 5 rhinos is easy pickings for the current meta. AV11 is incredibly easy to penetrate with S7AP4 being so common.

The most important thing to take from all this, is that a farsight bomb is not a fair fight. It chooses when, where and how hard it will strike, and there's very little you can do to intercept or stop it. It never suffers deepstrike mishaps and, when built with an ADL/Commsrelay almost never fails to come in right when it's needed.

Have I explained clearly enough why a farsight bomb can deal with a unit of purifiers with "no sweat"? I won't even mention the fact that all your shooting goes into drones, and killing 14 drones takes a long time.

use·ful
/ˈyo͞osfəl/
Adjective

Able to be used for a practical purpose or in several ways.

Synonyms
helpful - serviceable - profitable - advantageous

In addition:

1. Having a beneficial use; serviceable: a useful kitchen gadget.
2. Being of practical use: a useful job; useful members of society.

help
/help/
Verb
Make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering aid.
Noun
Assistance.
Exclamation
Used as an appeal for urgent assistance: "Help!".
Synonyms
verb. assist - aid - succour - succor - relieve - support
noun. aid - assistance - succour - succor - support - relief

If the basis of your argument is that the list archetype does not even work, your opinion is inherently not useful in a forum where the object of commentary on lists is to provide help by creating suggestions for editing lists. In this thread it can not be used to improve Grimsmasha's Rhino Rush list in any way.


I have no intention of changing your opinion as I already know it is pre-determined. I won't humor you if you post in this thread again, I just find the level of poor attitudes and responses like yours in this part of the forum galling.

Holy crap, dudes. Chill out. It's a list, a list not really even meant to be played. Just having some hypothetical, time wasting, good fun. That is, until people took it ultra serious, die hard, I'm right-you're wrong, crazy. It's toy soldiers, bros, give it a rest.

MODS, please close this thread.

 Mr.Omega wrote:


If the basis of your argument is that the list archetype does not even work, your opinion is inherently not useful in a forum where the object of commentary on lists is to provide help by creating suggestions for editing lists. In this thread it can not be used to improve Grimsmasha's Rhino Rush list in any way.


I have no intention of changing your opinion as I already know it is pre-determined. I won't humor you if you post in this thread again, I just find the level of poor attitudes and responses like yours in this part of the forum galling.

Arguing semantics is clutching at straws.

The basis of my "argument" is that the list is not competitive. It is that it's very core is not competitive. This part of the forum is about making competitive lists, not about making any old list.

And, I've accrued my amount of internets. I know that saying "I can't change your opinion" means you give up. How about you be an adult, stop calling me names and admit that you concede? Your arguments up to now have bordered on ad hominem and haven't really done much to help OP or to change my opinion. I pointed out that this list will get wrecked by a farsight bomb. That is a helpful hint that maybe, it isn't a list to use in a competitive scene where farsight bombs are common.

My comments thus far have been practical and, barring a degree of ignorance, useful. They're practical because I have pointed out that the list will struggle competitively, and useful because I've suggested using a different avenue.


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 Grim Smasha wrote:
Holy crap, dudes. Chill out. It's a list, a list not really even meant to be played. Just having some hypothetical, time wasting, good fun. That is, until people took it ultra serious, die hard, I'm right-you're wrong, crazy. It's toy soldiers, bros, give it a rest.

MODS, please close this thread.

My 2 cents. Rhino are the only way to protect my csm from enemy drakes from out right dying. They usually have to vector strike the rhino then bale flame the csm inside. I some times get luck with 1 hp left.