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 kirsanth wrote:
Being able to play the exact same game with the same story and character interaction with a different colored/shaped/wtfever character does not, in any way, make a better game.

Except that it does, because I would enjoy it more. Just like I would enjoy The Bureau more if it had more customization.

If you really have to continue this discussion without at least trying to reference X-Com, maybe you could PM me instead.

So with that said, I'm done until we find more information about the game.

Gotcha.

I meant it in relation to story telling and game development as well as knowledge about it during public pre-game disclosure.

I have nothing to add beyond that.

(Off topic any way. I am somewhat cynical about the game but will at least be keeping an eye on it.)

Games with elements of RPGs or just outright RPGs are almost always better...
The thing is whether a game's story changes based on the colour/gender of the protagonist (Assuming there is no RPG elements and it's just a straight shooter)

If it doesn't then you may as well be playing a robot controlled by aliens that are orbiting the earth and are engaging in super secret black ops missions to mess with the earthlings.
If it does change the way the story will be written then it's actually relevant.

 purplefood wrote:

If it doesn't then you may as well be playing a robot controlled by aliens that are orbiting the earth and are engaging in super secret black ops missions to mess with the earthlings. .

....That sounds awesome. I'd play that.

That scenario needs to be in this game somehow.

(Meh! I tried!

My point is that things like Knights of the Old Republic are not better because you can choose the character. In some points they get worse because they need to be vague or inconsistent in story/background.
Red Dead Redemption was not a worse game because its main character was "stereo-typical" for example. And would have been silly if it had been otherwise.
That said, I totally think there need to be more characters represented.

And yes. It need to be in the game. lol)

Only if they're Fembots....

If there is a difference in black suites and grey suites I would be happy.

If there is a difference between grey suites and gray suites. . . I may just buy it on principle.

Well I hope you have LA Noire. Fine selection of suites. Dark grey, light grey, medium grey....bluish grey.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Only if they're Fembots....

As long as it's not an EDI-style sexbot. Seeing that so early on in ME3 made me wonder if the game had jumped the proverbial shark...

Have not played it. Seemed too much like what we were discussing, really. heh.

b;eh

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

If it doesn't then you may as well be playing a robot controlled by aliens that are orbiting the earth and are engaging in super secret black ops missions to mess with the earthlings. .

....That sounds awesome. I'd play that.

I know right...

Let's take this discussion of chargen options generally to its own thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/539180.page

This game is out today. Anyone playing it?

Installed last night but it didn't unlock until midnight EST and I had to be up at 0430. Will probably get some time in on it tonight.

I managed to play a bit of it last night and found it ... just okay. TBH I haven't gotten into the meat of the game yet. So far, I think the combat system is pretty interesting. It's like Mass Effect 2 or 3 except the action continues -- in ultra slow-mo -- while you're assigning orders to your squad mates.

That's cool. Quasi-time limit.

Yeah -- your guys can get shot and killed while you're thinking about what order to give them.

I made the mistake of playing on Veteran and holy moly is it kicking my butt.

I'm not too far in, but I'm really enjoying it so far as a game. I will echo the many sentiments that this probably should have been a different IP entirely, not an X-Com game. It's weird to see things like Elerium and Skyrangers from other X-Com titles discussed like it ain't no thang; makes me wonder why I had to research Elerium in X-Com! Guess that might all get explained at the end, but I get the feeling it'll be a "wipe that protocol droid's memory bank" moment.

Like Manchu said, the third party squad combat is interesting, and your dudes can and will get shot to pieces if you spend too long trying to tell them what to do. I think the AI needs a little boost though. If I tell a dude to get behind cover and snipe someone, I don't expect him to move to cover, then stand next to it.

Yeah, this game does not mess around. I made it through Rosemont last night after a bunch of reloads. Combat feels exciting and deadly. When the sectapod appeared, I was like -- I'm just a dude from the 60s here! Turns out that was enough, if only barely.

Minor spoiler

I was really surprised by how intense combat can be. And when you start to get it, it feels like you're either good or just flying by the seat of your pants -- which, to me, exactly matches the theme and story of the game.

I'm still really enjoying this game ... it makes me want a new Dragon Age!

Seriously, this game is basically Mass Effect 2 in America in the 1960s -- except the named NPCs don't join your party.

So why do I want a new Dragon Age then? Because Mass Effect 3 already came out foolz.

Imagine Mass Effect combat with a boring, predictable story and plain, boring chracters along with ok graphics. Tadaaa. Disappointing game. I like the not-pause-but-slow-motion thingy, love it in Game of Thrones as well.

I hate the single button both for attacking and moving.
The number of times when I press it while having red crosshair and Carter orders his minions to charge blindly forward. Especially with mutons. It's super fun to restart from last save because the game hates me.

I kinda like the characters. They may not be the best out there (at the point where I am) but at least there is no Thane.

Thane? As in ME2 Thane?

What's wrong with him? He's awesome.

Well I'm going to get it. One of these days...

 Medium of Death wrote:
Thane? As in ME2 Thane?

What's wrong with him? He's awesome.

Yes, ME2 Thane. I don't want to derail the thread too much but he is among my top3 (possibly *the*) most annoying characters in a videogames I liked (liked videogames, not the characters).
The short answer: For me he's just a conglomerate of clichés. I cannot stop rolling my eyes when he's talking.

 Macok wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Thane? As in ME2 Thane?

What's wrong with him? He's awesome.

Yes, ME2 Thane. I don't want to derail the thread too much but he is among my top3 (possibly *the*) most annoying characters in a videogames I liked (liked videogames, not the characters).
The short answer: For me he's just a conglomerate of clichés. I cannot stop rolling my eyes when he's talking.

*cough* I am dying from an unhealable disease *cough* my son has left me but I want him back* *cough* *cough* pity me Shepherd! PITY ME!

 Macok wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Thane? As in ME2 Thane?

What's wrong with him? He's awesome.

Yes, ME2 Thane. I don't want to derail the thread too much but he is among my top3 (possibly *the*) most annoying characters in a videogames I liked (liked videogames, not the characters).
The short answer: For me he's just a conglomerate of clichés. I cannot stop rolling my eyes when he's talking.

I'm not sure if you noticed but the entirety of the Mass Effect series is a conglomerate of cliches. It is a reconstruction of the Space opera that makes heavy use of tropes and cliches throughout. If youare going to call out one character as being bad because it uses cliches than you might as well call out the entire series.