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 Tower75 wrote:
Seems a shame.

We have 'space elves', both of the light, and dark variety, so why not 'space dwarfs?'

I think a non-Imperium, Dwarf army would be awesome. I'd collect them.

Absolutely no disrespect to SoB players, but how can GW justify cancelling the Squats, but let the SoB continue? Surely they're the least popular WH40K army? (No flame waring intended, that seems to be the 'general' consensus.)

Also, I really think WH40K needs something new. WHF has, what? 15 armies? WH40K has, what? 7 individual armies?

Wh40k has a ton of armies if you include Forge World armies. However, those armies pretty much NEVER get any true updates so not sure if they count as they're pretty outdated (outdated in-universe, too. Some of them only existed for like, one moment in the fluff, like the Tyrant's Legion or the Vraks Renegate Militia. The Horus Heresy Legion armies are loooong gone by the present day of course). Most of them are just Imperium variants, too (and several others are just variants of sorts, as well, like the Necron Dark Harvest army or Eldar Corsairs or.... ALL them, really).

I think the re-incarnation of the Squats as the Demi-urge would be cool..

They could get away from the little trash can look and go with a really mechanized metal man look...

Cool walkers , dreadnought sized armor suits bristling with guns...kinda like a cool take on the old ED-209??

Could be cool..

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I think the re-incarnation of the Squats as the Demi-urge would be cool..

They could get away from the little trash can look and go with a really mechanized metal man look...

Cool walkers , dreadnought sized armor suits bristling with guns...kinda like a cool take on the old ED-209??

Could be cool..

I think first they'd test the Demiurg as a unit or two in a future Tau codex before expanding them.

At this point they seem scared to do anything regarding Tau allies in the Tau's tabletop army, nowadays.

so demiurg be it give squats a turn?

 Tower75 wrote:

Absolutely no disrespect to SoB players, but how can GW justify cancelling the Squats, but let the SoB continue? Surely they're the least popular WH40K army? (No flame waring intended, that seems to be the 'general' consensus.)

They're "unpopular" because GW has made them difficult to collect. Virtually unobtainable codex and expensive, metal models,

In reality, there's a lot of people just begging for an SoB update, GW is likely aware of it too, given how often their customer services are bombarded with questions about the WD coded or when Sisters will get an update.


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Also, it was some IG who retrieved Yarrick's Baneblade for him. It happens in a BL novel, Gunheads. It's a very good read.

Sisters so may turn get be give then?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Siters so may turn get be give then?

That joke got tired after the third time, you can stop now.

I love the Squat background! I've read so much about them and I think they were a fun addition to the 40k universe.

In my head-canon, although many of the squat home worlds were destroyed by tyranids, there are still millions of Squats living in the Imperium who were off world. Maybe large colonies still produce war-machines, mine and trade with the Imperium.

I'd love to build a Squat army using the IG codex. One day I will. Especially as they were 're-intoduced' in the 6th Edition fluff (page 405).

 legolooney wrote:
I love the Squat background! I've read so much about them and I think they were a fun addition to the 40k universe.

In my head-canon, although many of the squat home worlds were destroyed by tyranids, there are still millions of Squats living in the Imperium who were off world. Maybe large colonies still produce war-machines, mine and trade with the Imperium.

I'd love to build a Squat army using the IG codex. One day I will. Especially as they were 're-intoduced' in the 6th Edition fluff (page 405).

Billions you mean.

I guess you can wait for a "Tau allies" supplemental codex or FW list and hope for demiurg models.

 Kain wrote:

Billions you mean.

I guess you can wait for a "Tau allies" supplemental codex or FW list and hope for demiurg models.

Yeah, I guess billions would make more sense, it's a big old galaxy out there.

Squats still being around because many were offworld IS canon. Sixth Edition lists them among the Imperium's sanctioned abhumans (and I'm pretty sure that extinct abhumans were either specifically noted as such, or that the list was stated to only include abhumans that weren't extinct. I forget which).

Jervis himself gave what he saw were valid fluff reasons to field a count-as Squat army, so presumably in his headcanon (which is... kinda close to what Warhammer canon is, since it's basically the headcanon of a bunch of different staff members and possibly more that doesn't always agree) the idea that some squats still exist within the guard or as disgruntled renegades is true. And... makes sense, really. It takes something with the resources of the Imperium specifically DEVOTED to making something extinct to actually pull it off (Tyranids can have a lot of resources, but they wouldn't devote themselves to extinctifying one species specifically to the point that they'd hunt down every member of that species like the Imperium could). Even the Imperium's only successfully extinctified some of their quarries, not all.

(Yea, the Imperium hates all aliens, but it takes something really bad to get the "KILL IT DEAD DEAD DEAD" classification order, like the Lacromole or Ymgarl genestealers got.

Squats, like Ogryns and Ratlings and Catgirls (which are a thing in 40k now) are placed under Abhumans, who are tolerated and accepted as part of the Imperium like any other human so long as they breed true.

Yea, they're officially Imperium citizens and accepted (to varying degrees. Some purists humans still hate them a lot). I think the question though was whether or not they're extinct, of which it has generally always been maintained that some did survive, because honestly, it'd make no sense for such a large proliferent amount of abhumans that are deployed to various ends of the galaxy and have rights to Imperium protection and travel like all Imperium citizens to all be killed just because their homeworlds were eaten. It just makes them rare enough (and integrated enough, since they no longer have independent worlds) that they don't get their own codex army anymore (which was the out-of-universe purpose)

The problem with using Squats "as if" Guard or Orks is Numbers.
With each successive edition of the game the numbers required for either of those armies has grown.
An IG Infantry Platoon is minimum of 25 models, and that counts as a single unit. A minimum (1 command, 2 troops) IG army is close to 60 models.
Orks have a similar build, The more models you have the better. Also, Squats were a "shooty" army, Orks are designed for close combat.
Neither really works for the type of force that Squats were. Both are more fragile and require far more models, to play properly, than what was required for a Squat force.

You could try carapace vet guard, or an all grenedier DKoK army.

 Kain wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Siters so may turn get be give then?

That joke got tired after the third time, you can stop now.

I'm still laughing

 Tower75 wrote:
Absolutely no disrespect to SoB players, but how can GW justify cancelling the Squats, but let the SoB continue?

GW didn't anticipate that the fallout from cancelling the squats would be as bad as it was. Hindsight being 20-20, they realized that just dropping an army was the wrong thing to do, and that's why they've said that such a thing won't happen again. Also, as the Necrons have demonstrated, it is entirely possible to do a full re-write of the fluff and play-style of an army and make it work today, something the writers were apparently unwilling to do back in the old days. So the SOB will stay in the game, maybe they will become something radically different so a writer can get behind the fluff and feel of the army but they'll stick around.

greyknight12 wrote:they realized that just dropping an army was the wrong thing to do, and that's why they've said that such a thing won't happen again

I don't think they ever did. I often see this supposed statement get repeated again and again, but I've never seen a source for it (note how Jervis' post doesn't make any such promises at all), which leads me to believe it is one of the many rumours that just won't die.

I agree with Lynata. Jervis' post alludes more to the fact that they realized that designing an army incorrectly (as a joke or caricature) is the wrong thing to do and they will never do that again.

 helgrenze wrote:
The problem with using Squats "as if" Guard or Orks is Numbers.
With each successive edition of the game the numbers required for either of those armies has grown.
An IG Infantry Platoon is minimum of 25 models, and that counts as a single unit. A minimum (1 command, 2 troops) IG army is close to 60 models.

Well, fluff-wise, I'd be surprised if there were many Squat-only regiments today. Most are probably mixed in with normal human guard just like ogryns and ratlings are. Though that's of small comfort to someone who wants to field an all-squat army because he really likes squats.

 Troike wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:

Absolutely no disrespect to SoB players, but how can GW justify cancelling the Squats, but let the SoB continue? Surely they're the least popular WH40K army? (No flame waring intended, that seems to be the 'general' consensus.)

They're "unpopular" because GW has made them difficult to collect. Virtually unobtainable codex and expensive, metal models,.

Are they expensive to buy because nobody wanted them, or does nobody buy them because they are hard to collect?

Oh, chicken and egg causality dilemmas.


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 Kain wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Siters so may turn get be give then?

That joke got tired after the third time, you can stop now.

No. No it didn't.