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Just had a small 500pt game against a guy that took this on a Chaos Lord on bike. I haven't faced this weapon before.

This weapon seems to give +D6 S6 AP2 attacks with the drawback of -1WS (which as he's WS6 doesn't matter against most things)

so on a 1, he takes a wound.....but still does 4 S6 AP2 attacks (although hits on a 5), and if he gets a 6 he does 9 S6 AP2 attacks?!? The guy killed three thunder wolves in one turn then promptly slaughtered his way through the rest of my army.

Coupled with Rage and he can do 12 S6 AP2 attacks on the charge at initiative, for a 35 point weapon it seems insanely powerful! Is there something I'm missing? For a character that only costs 155pts it seems like he'd kill characters costed way above that with ease.

Yeah, it's a nasty weapon. It can only be used by models with Mark of Khorne, it reduces BS and WS because of the Blind rule, and it can potentially make the user both hurt himself and swing at WS1 on a roll of a 1. Armor saves aren't allowed from the self-inflicted wound, so it's also likely to cause a wound when that happens. It is a very good weapon, and I almost always take it on my Khorne Lord, but it can derp out and make your Lord whack himself in the face. It can totally destroy characters, but the dude wielding it will usually only be T4 so he can be doubled out if he's fighting someone particularly resilient like Lysander or Belial with his hammer.

It's good yet it can kill yourself at times Just shoot dat bastard down!

Yeah, unfortunately he was on a bike so even my chainfist Lone Wolf couldn't ID him. I managed to get him down to 1 wound in the end, but this was after he'd destroyed 380pts worth of Grey Hunters and Thunderwolves! Seems insanely powerful to me, compare him to a character like Sammael and he can be over twice as deadly in combat for far less points.

Be grateful that he wasn't on a Juggernaut...

That said, unless your opponent gets the 2+ armour reward, he'll only have 3+ armour. Don't try to fight him in CC unless you've got more than I5, and even then you want a way to ID him (generally Smash or Bonesabres at that I, but NFWs work too) unless you're Abaddon, Ghazghkull with Waaagh! or, possibly, a GK Librarian or Grand Master with Warding Stave to tank with your 2++. If you're not one of these units, shoot him. Repeatedly.

No doubt, it is powerful. I usually run my Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut so he has +1T +1A and +1W. That's very nasty.

It's tough to do an apples-to-apples comparison with other characters, though. You have to remember, killing is all this guy does. He doesn't add any synergy or anything to the rest the army or anything like that (except perhaps via his Warlord trait).

He does only have a 3+/5+ (jink) save. 5+ invuln if he buys it. Plasma = he hates it.

He's still better at assault than most other MEQ HQs. Lysander doesn't exactly add much in the terms of synergy, and the Khorne-lord is cheaper and arguably better at CC. I'm not saying Juggerlords are OP, I think they're fair for their points, but there's plenty of other MEQ melee HQs that are worse at CC.

 Blaggard wrote:
He does only have a 3+/5+ (jink) save. 5+ invuln if he buys it. Plasma = he hates it.

4++ from Sigil, and he'll likely have meat shields to eat through first.

Charge him with a Dreadnought.

It's surprising how often "killer" characters/units can't deal with that.

Yeah he had the Sigil and a bike squad. My luck with plasma guns was out of this world in that game.

Out of 7 shots, I killed 1 standard CSM.....and 2 Grey Hunters. Just one of those nights!

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Charge him with a Dreadnought.

It's surprising how often "killer" characters/units can't deal with that.

With 5+D6 attacks at S7, odds are you're gonna be in trouble. Besides, the Juggerlord is much more mobile than your Dread and should be able to simply avoid you.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Charge him with a Dreadnought.

It's surprising how often "killer" characters/units can't deal with that.

With 5+D6 attacks at S7, odds are you're gonna be in trouble. Besides, the Juggerlord is much more mobile than your Dread and should be able to simply avoid you.

It would be S6 if he was charged by the Dreadnought.

Very first time I ran my 185 point Jugger lord with Axe of blind fury, I got charged by a Furioso... that was disappointing.

Charging the Chaos Lord with a dread is a legit tactic. I can tell you it's the last thing I want mine to be charged by.

Keep in mind that game balance in a 500pt game is completely different than in a 1500 or 1850 point game. A single big beefy killy guy can dominate a 500pt game, but in an 1850pt match you may have plenty of utilities to kill him before he ever touches one of your units.

Wow I am surprised that we actually interpreted that rule correctly (I was the guy playing chaos), and it was on the second game that my chaos lord went postal, first game I managed to make his wolf pack thing run of the table in turn 2

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Charge him with a Dreadnought.

It's surprising how often "killer" characters/units can't deal with that.

With 5+D6 attacks at S7, odds are you're gonna be in trouble. Besides, the Juggerlord is much more mobile than your Dread and should be able to simply avoid you.

It would be S6 if he was charged by the Dreadnought.

Very first time I ran my 185 point Jugger lord with Axe of blind fury, I got charged by a Furioso... that was disappointing.

Charging the Chaos Lord with a dread is a legit tactic. I can tell you it's the last thing I want mine to be charged by.

S4 base, S6 from axe, S7 from Juggernaut. No FC involved. And I know that charging a Dreadnought into him is a fair bet if possible, it's just that he's got a fair shot at downing it and a fair shot of avoiding it in the first place. It's a good backup tactic, but not a good primary tactic for dealing with him.

Yeah that's what seems to be the case.

The power in the CSM book is definitely in the independant characters. They are beastly.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blaggard wrote:
He does only have a 3+/5+ (jink) save. 5+ invuln if he buys it. Plasma = he hates it.

4++ from Sigil, and he'll likely have meat shields to eat through first.

Hadn't seen that. Ouch.

What you're missing is that it's a close combat weapon. This means that you always get at LEAST a turn of shooting and a turn of overwatch before he has a chance to do anything with it. Then, he's likely to do enough damage to wipe out whatever he runs into (which, if you're doing it right, will be some worthless speedbump) and then is left out in the open for you to shoot him again.

Deploy properly, and target him and his unit appropriately and you should be able to take him down before he does all that much damage. Even at 500 points.

Remember, that khorne lord doesn't have eternal warrior...

He's T5 though, and his obligatory Spawn bodyguard will be T6. Then there's terrain. I'm not saying you're wrong in stating that one should shoot him, but S10 isn't exactly everywhere, and you've gotta kill him fast.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Charge him with a Dreadnought.

It's surprising how often "killer" characters/units can't deal with that.

With 5+D6 attacks at S7, odds are you're gonna be in trouble. Besides, the Juggerlord is much more mobile than your Dread and should be able to simply avoid you.

It would be S6 if he was charged by the Dreadnought.

Very first time I ran my 185 point Jugger lord with Axe of blind fury, I got charged by a Furioso... that was disappointing.

Charging the Chaos Lord with a dread is a legit tactic. I can tell you it's the last thing I want mine to be charged by.

S4 base, S6 from axe, S7 from Juggernaut. No FC involved. And I know that charging a Dreadnought into him is a fair bet if possible, it's just that he's got a fair shot at downing it and a fair shot of avoiding it in the first place. It's a good backup tactic, but not a good primary tactic for dealing with him.

No, sir. Juggernaut does not add 1S.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
He's T5 though, and his obligatory Spawn bodyguard will be T6. Then there's terrain. I'm not saying you're wrong in stating that one should shoot him, but S10 isn't exactly everywhere, and you've gotta kill him fast.

The spawn will be T5, khorne lord can't join nurgle spawn, only undivided or khorne spawn.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

S4 base, S6 from axe, S7 from Juggernaut. No FC involved. And I know that charging a Dreadnought into him is a fair bet if possible, it's just that he's got a fair shot at downing it and a fair shot of avoiding it in the first place. It's a good backup tactic, but not a good primary tactic for dealing with him.

How would he avoid my Dreadnought? If he's on the table, I'm putting all my other things near the Dreadnought.

You'd better hope you get those 3 glances, because you're instant dead otherwise.

Deep, I'm on a failing spree.

Just remember that the Dread still has to test for Blind, though.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

S4 base, S6 from axe, S7 from Juggernaut. No FC involved. And I know that charging a Dreadnought into him is a fair bet if possible, it's just that he's got a fair shot at downing it and a fair shot of avoiding it in the first place. It's a good backup tactic, but not a good primary tactic for dealing with him.

How would he avoid my Dreadnought? If he's on the table, I'm putting all my other things near the Dreadnought.

You'd better hope you get those 3 glances, because you're instant dead otherwise.

What kind of dreadnought are you using that can only be glanced by S7 strikes?

Really failing here
It doesn't have blind, it has blinded which effects the weilder

Lol

Dedicated melee Dreads are AV13, but as said above I fethed up, he's supposed to be S6.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Really failing here
It doesn't have blind, it has blinded which effects the weilder

Lol

Wait, I'm pretty sure that's not the case, seeing as you auto-pass self-inflicted blind tests.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Dedicated melee Dreads are AV13, but as said above I fethed up, he's supposed to be S6.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Really failing here
It doesn't have blind, it has blinded which effects the weilder

Lol

Wait, I'm pretty sure that's not the case, seeing as you auto-pass self-inflicted blind tests.

Does the Juggernaut's boost stack with the Axe's or not?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:He's T5 though, and his obligatory Spawn bodyguard will be T6. Then there's terrain. I'm not saying you're wrong in stating that one should shoot him, but S10 isn't exactly everywhere, and you've gotta kill him fast.

The spawn will be T5, khorne lord can't join nurgle spawn, only undivided or khorne spawn.

Exactly.

Furthermore, a khorne lord with axe on a bike in a unit with 3 spawn (something far from unkillable in the shooting phase) costs 240 points. In a 500 point game, this means that there's this one-trick pony and some troops milling about doing nothing. It's a single vindicator shell or an I5 force weapon away from getting hard countered. Heck, a pair of plasma mechvets doesn't cost that much more, and can shut down this combination without much effort.

If you're not bringing a list that can cover hard units, even at low points, and you fail to set up a proper defense in the deployment phase, then yeah, this could be tough to counter. It's far from super broken, though.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Dedicated melee Dreads are AV13, but as said above I fethed up, he's supposed to be S6.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Really failing here
It doesn't have blind, it has blinded which effects the weilder

Lol

Wait, I'm pretty sure that's not the case, seeing as you auto-pass self-inflicted blind tests.

The special rule in this case only affects the wielder of the weapon - it's specifically in the weapons description that it causes -1 WS & -1 BS. It has NO effect on your opponent.

~Vryce