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I'm not talking about while embarked, but possibly on the battlements or near by

If the PFG says that units get the benefit then Bastions will not get the benefit because they are terrain, and not a unit.

The wording is all models

The Bastion is not a model, it is Terrain.

It lacks a unit type, so CANNOT be a model.

Kisada II wrote:
The wording is all models

As Nos has said, the Bastion is not a model and by extension not a unit.

The Bastion is terrain and as such the PFG does not affect it.

I'm ok with it not being a model but isn't the quad gun a model (by its own definition) that is also terrain and doesn't have a unit type. Not sure I follow?

Kisada II wrote:
I'm ok with it not being a model but isn't the quad gun a model (by its own definition) that is also terrain and doesn't have a unit type. Not sure I follow?

No, the Quad gun is just Terrain, Battlefield Debris to be precise.

It is not a model because "In addition to its characteristics profile, each model will have a unit type" (3)

The Quad gun has a "characteristics profile", but for it to be a model it needs to "have a unit type"

Actually found my answer, it is a model as per it's definition but the errata on invul saves makes apply only to vehicles and wounds


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Meant that the definition of a gun emplacement actually references itself as a model as does the bastion

Kisada II wrote:
Actually found my answer, it is a model as per it's definition but the errata on invul saves makes apply only to vehicles and wounds


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Meant that the definition of a gun emplacement actually references itself as a model as does the bastion

Got a quote that says it is, by the rules, a model, because I posted a quote that says otherwise.

What about page 105 - Weapon Emplacement:

"The type of weapon on the gun emplacement depends on the model you'reusing to represent it"?

 Happyjew wrote:
What about page 105 - Weapon Emplacement:

"The type of weapon on the gun emplacement depends on the model you're using to represent it"?

That is not Model as defined by the BRB.as all models have a unit type.

That is model in the normal English sense of the word. It is a model as far as English is concerned, but it is not what the rules dictate a model is.

Yet it is still referred to as a "model". You claimed it was not a model, however the rules for both specifically refer to the "model".

 Happyjew wrote:
Yet it is still referred to as a "model". You claimed it was not a model, however the rules for both specifically refer to the "model".

It is not a Model as far as the 40K rules are concerned as all Models have a unit type.

The definition of Model in the 40K rules is different to the general English definition of model.

Clearly the word 'model' used in the gun emplacement and bastion rules is referring to the common english definition of 'model' because they do not have a unit type so they are not a "Model' as per the 40K rules.

Bottom line it is a model, but not a Model as defined in the rules of 40K.

 Happyjew wrote:
Yet it is still referred to as a "model". You claimed it was not a model, however the rules for both specifically refer to the "model".

Correct, a rulebook can flippantly refer to something as a 'model' all they want, but unless those rules actually specify what unit type the model is, then it isn't considered a 'model' within the framework of the rules.

Its obviously an issue because such things are 'models' in the real-world sense, but they aren't per the rules laid out for what constitutes a 'model' in the game. However, its hard to write about those things without calling them 'models' unless you want some really strange sounding text.