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My CSM friend has just bought a daemon prince, and that makes me and my space wolves very, very nervous. It's a flyer, so barely any of my units will hit it with shooting, and a fully tricked out dp will have a 4++ save, a daemon weapon like the black mace, so 6+ d6 attacks on the charge, all hitting on threes and wounding on twos, and can take powers from biomancy In addition to his god's discipline. This will wreck entire units of marines on its own and will tear apart even my most tricked out thunderwolf lord. Any ideas on what I should do?

My current 1000 point army consists of 2 squads of grey hunters, one in a drop pod and one in a rhino, a mastery level 2 rune priest, 2 squads of long fangs with missile launchers, and an aegis line with a quad gun. For higher point games, I'm planning to someday buy a third squad of grey hunters with a rhino, a drop pod for my wolf guard terminators, and a squad of 3 storm shield thunderwolves to serve as a bodyguard for a my thunderwolf lord.

shoot him down with massed bolterfire from your grey hunters so that he crashes and stand ready with a unit of 4 terminators with combiplasmas and whatever other weapon lead by arjac. that should kill it if he isnt lucky and kills arjac but if he does then he is still tied down and you can re-supply units to help slay him

Rune priests are pretty good, wounding on 2's iirc and being able to force weapon him to death, add to the 4plus DTW for every power the prince does will restrict his psyhic powers.

Focus on downing it first with the Aegis or pretty much any weapon. Rapid fire bolters will hopefully get a couple of hits to force a grounding test.

Once a FMC has taken a hit in Swoop mode, it has to take a grounding test for each unit (not model) that scored a hit. On a 1 or 2 that FMC hits the ground, and takes a S9 AP2 hit. Bring it down, then pelt it with your Long Fangs. A 4++ wont help too much against that many missiles, and he will hopefully be down a wound from the grounding.

where does it get a 4++ from? from sigil of corruption?
That's a huge waste of points for no reason at all, but yeah cause grounding tests and 3+ is just like every other marine.

 HerbaciousT wrote:
Focus on downing it first with the Aegis or pretty much any weapon. Rapid fire bolters will hopefully get a couple of hits to force a grounding test.

Once a FMC has taken a hit in Swoop mode, it has to take a grounding test for each unit (not model) that scored a hit. On a 1 or 2 that FMC hits the ground, and takes a S9 AP2 hit. Bring it down, then pelt it with your Long Fangs. A 4++ wont help too much against that many missiles, and he will hopefully be down a wound from the grounding.

Slight correction - AP3.

MarkyMark wrote:
Rune priests are pretty good, wounding on 2's iirc and being able to force weapon him to death, add to the 4plus DTW for every power the prince does will restrict his psyhic powers.

though rune priests are good it is suicide to have him in CC with the prince. he will not be able to strike back even if in termi armour. his wounding daemons weapon should not be viewed as making him a CC monster. a simple powerfist is better to through at him. but as I said arjac is good. his S10 instakills also

That daemon prince is going to cost at least 270 points. That's too big a chunk of his army that can be taken down with just bolt guns . Follow the advice already given it is very good. You should have no problem taking him out.

rigeld2 wrote:

 HerbaciousT wrote:
Focus on downing it first with the Aegis or pretty much any weapon. Rapid fire bolters will hopefully get a couple of hits to force a grounding test.

Once a FMC has taken a hit in Swoop mode, it has to take a grounding test for each unit (not model) that scored a hit. On a 1 or 2 that FMC hits the ground, and takes a S9 AP2 hit. Bring it down, then pelt it with your Long Fangs. A 4++ wont help too much against that many missiles, and he will hopefully be down a wound from the grounding.

Slight correction - AP3.

It appears we are both wrong, the rule book states 'no armour or cover saves allowed'.

Academic for my Tyrants who only have a 3+ and no inv :( haha.

I was thinking Vector Strike - sorry.

For larger point games ally with Grey Knights; I love "I've been expecting you."

Two words: grounding tests.

Spider webs, huge sticky spider webs and/or spiders, throw spiders at him until he runs off and forfits the game.

Other than that massed fire should work ok, an angeis defense line might also work.

 Ailaros wrote:
Two words: grounding tests.

Followed up with a healthy dosage of plasma and melta to make sure he'll never take a second test again.

How is he getting a 4++?
He can't take Sigil and MoTz only gives a reroll.

 minigun762 wrote:
How is he getting a 4++?
He can't take Sigil and MoTz only gives a reroll.

Isn't there a build that allows for a 2++?

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
How is he getting a 4++?
He can't take Sigil and MoTz only gives a reroll.

Isn't there a build that allows for a 2++?

Not that I'm aware of. You could get to 3++ if you're using Daemon allies.

 minigun762 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
How is he getting a 4++?
He can't take Sigil and MoTz only gives a reroll.

Isn't there a build that allows for a 2++?

Not that I'm aware of. You could get to 3++ if you're using Daemon allies.

You can get a 2++ with a combination of Forewarning, giving a 4++, and then increasing that with the Grimoire.

 Malthor wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
How is he getting a 4++?
He can't take Sigil and MoTz only gives a reroll.

Isn't there a build that allows for a 2++?

Not that I'm aware of. You could get to 3++ if you're using Daemon allies.

You can get a 2++ with a combination of Forewarning, giving a 4++, and then increasing that with the Grimoire.

Good thought, you're right it could be done that way.

Anything twin linked is helpful, so consider getting Prescience.

Also try to figure out the best order in which to try to ground the DP, try to save the bigger units/guns in range for last, a lucky shot with the storm bolter of a rhino or the pod may allow you to really lay into him with the Longfangs/GH. Grounding a FMC will almost always be the best those weapons can do any given time anyway

I've had my lone wolf take one out. So massed shots and a lone wolf would work.

Massed fire on an a large target quickly kills these guys. They easily draw fire and cost a ton of points, and after it's a very dead but nicely painted model, all I can do is stare at it in disappointment.