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Im looking at getting into Warmachine more so for the models. They look really cool and fun. Im finding it diffcult to pick an amry as there seems to be a lot of good choices. For the most part some of the starter kits are lame imo. Mainly the Khador and Cygnar. I dont like the Warcaster in those boxes. On the other hand I really like the Menoth starter kit. But not really a fan on how Menoth doesnt have much ranged options. So I guess what im looking for is a well rounded group of ranged and melee. Hmm decisions decisions...

Well theres a few things wrong with that, I'll start with what I know

Menoth not having ranged options is completely false, nearly every jack you are going to pick has a solid gun, menoth shooting punishes you at range, absorbs the alpha strike, and retaliates in mellee, anyone that doesn't bring any ranged is bad.
That being said, there are very few, if any gunline armies in this game even shooting heavy cygnar and lylyth armies aren't going to annihilate the enemy at range completely.

as for not liking a caster, casters are reasonably cheap for a model that changes everything about how you play an army, what ones do you like the look of and why?

 Grundz wrote:
Well theres a few things wrong with that, I'll start with what I know

Menoth not having ranged options is completely false, nearly every jack you are going to pick has a solid gun, menoth shooting punishes you at range, absorbs the alpha strike, and retaliates in mellee, anyone that doesn't bring any ranged is bad.
That being said, there are very few, if any gunline armies in this game even shooting heavy cygnar and lylyth armies aren't going to annihilate the enemy at range completely.

as for not liking a caster, casters are reasonably cheap for a model that changes everything about how you play an army, what ones do you like the look of and why?

I like a few different ones, I really like Warcaster Karchev The Terrible for the Khador, For Cygnar I like General Adept Nemo and from Menoth High Exemplar Kreoss.

It just seems Lists that i would compose wouldn't make great competitive lists due to synergy mostly.

 stileprojekt wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
Well theres a few things wrong with that, I'll start with what I know

Menoth not having ranged options is completely false, nearly every jack you are going to pick has a solid gun, menoth shooting punishes you at range, absorbs the alpha strike, and retaliates in mellee, anyone that doesn't bring any ranged is bad.
That being said, there are very few, if any gunline armies in this game even shooting heavy cygnar and lylyth armies aren't going to annihilate the enemy at range completely.

as for not liking a caster, casters are reasonably cheap for a model that changes everything about how you play an army, what ones do you like the look of and why?

I like a few different ones, I really like Warcaster Karchev The Terrible for the Khador, For Cygnar I like General Adept Nemo and from Menoth High Exemplar Kreoss.

It just seems Lists that i would compose wouldn't make great competitive lists due to synergy mostly.

If you like Menoth and like ranged options and like high exemplar Kreoss, you're in luck. He is a versatile caster that can support just about anything but has particularly good synergy with ranged attacks because his feat means you're basically shooting at targets as though they were on an empty field.

In addition the elements you'd use to compose his lists fit well elsewhere.

Now if i could find someone to split a 2 player box with. ebay has one pretty cheap still dont want to dish out the full cost, But i suppose i could play with both armies as I do like both of them. Hmmmmm. Anyone know of any one/place selling half a 2 player box?

 stileprojekt wrote:
Now if i could find someone to split a 2 player box with. ebay has one pretty cheap still dont want to dish out the full cost, But i suppose i could play with both armies as I do like both of them. Hmmmmm. Anyone know of any one/place selling half a 2 player box?

They don't go for very much second hand I've found. I'd try to find someone to split it with. Then you'll have a gaming buddy too.

You might find half the box on eBay

As far as Shooting is concerned Menoth is one of the top Shooter factions

In some ways they are better than Cygnar at shooting (in other ways they are worse)

Ask around at your FLGS. I casually told a dude i play regularly that i was thinking about starting Warmachine and could use someone to share the box and lucky as I am he had the same idea. Another pro is that you have someone to get the hang out of WM who is on the same level.

 stileprojekt wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
Well theres a few things wrong with that, I'll start with what I know

Menoth not having ranged options is completely false, nearly every jack you are going to pick has a solid gun, menoth shooting punishes you at range, absorbs the alpha strike, and retaliates in mellee, anyone that doesn't bring any ranged is bad.
That being said, there are very few, if any gunline armies in this game even shooting heavy cygnar and lylyth armies aren't going to annihilate the enemy at range completely.

as for not liking a caster, casters are reasonably cheap for a model that changes everything about how you play an army, what ones do you like the look of and why?

I like a few different ones, I really like Warcaster Karchev The Terrible for the Khador, For Cygnar I like General Adept Nemo and from Menoth High Exemplar Kreoss.

It just seems Lists that i would compose wouldn't make great competitive lists due to synergy mostly.

Why do you feel that the lists that you would make wouldn't be competitive?

 Talamare wrote:
You might find half the box on eBay

As far as Shooting is concerned Menoth is one of the top Shooter factions

In some ways they are better than Cygnar at shooting (in other ways they are worse)

One reason is because we are also the ultimate shooting denial faction.

Unless you have magical shooting the choir can make all our jacks untargetable while they stand there plinking away. Plus one of our shooty jacks comes with built in concealment.

 stileprojekt wrote:

I like a few different ones, I really like Warcaster Karchev The Terrible for the Khador, For Cygnar I like General Adept Nemo and from Menoth High Exemplar Kreoss.

Karchev is a pretty hard caster to play (IMHO) he generally runs 2 expensive jacks and infantry, using tow to and a full focus load to launchpad them into the enemy, or lots of jacks, but like I said he's not a beginner caster, you have to know what you are fighting because he basically is under constant threat of assassination, you just need to camp enough focus and have enough things in the way to make it unlikely enough to succeed so they won't try it.

nemo is a staple of cygnar, Enemo (not sure what his real name is) is apparently really good for lots of jacks from what i've heard
pKreoss is pretty much a staple of menoth too, you can't really go wrong with him or nemo

I have been pondering getting into warmachine eventually. If I did start I think I would go with either Cygnar or Retribution of Scryah or both.

I'd start with just one faction and play around with it a bit. But just about everyone I know who plays warmachine with any sort of regularity has at least 2 factions, if not more.

I have two main factions, 2 factions with 35 point lists and then the battle box plus a little extra for a 5th. the 3 smaller ones are all based off the two player battleboxes that I build up.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I have been pondering getting into warmachine eventually. If I did start I think I would go with either Cygnar or Retribution of Scryah or both.

Can't speak for Cygnar besides what you'd read online... but I started playing about 3-4 months ago, and I went with Retribution for fluff and style reasons more than anything else, and while I don't have any regrets about them (because they are fun to play), I will forewarn you that they are not an "easy" faction. The planning and synergy that you put into your list is vital to how well your amy will do. You can't just throw any old units together and expect it to work. While that is true for WM in general, it is amplified with Retribution of Scyrah.

On that note. It is much fun to be a genocidal, psycho elf...

For what it's worth, I absolutely loathe the very concept of elves with metal melting passion, and I wouldn't mind playing Retribution. They're angry elves, which makes them much better in my book.

If I wasn't already wedded to the convergence that is. I dream of the day I actually have the Prime Axiom and combo it with Forge Father Syntherion's feat (a model with 2 drag attacks and sustained attack that gets weapon platform? That will be a glorious thing to behold!)

yes... Angry elves are kinda unique. Elves in most other games are too nice and frilly... :(

 caledoneus wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I have been pondering getting into warmachine eventually. If I did start I think I would go with either Cygnar or Retribution of Scryah or both.

Can't speak for Cygnar besides what you'd read online... but I started playing about 3-4 months ago, and I went with Retribution for fluff and style reasons more than anything else, and while I don't have any regrets about them (because they are fun to play), I will forewarn you that they are not an "easy" faction. The planning and synergy that you put into your list is vital to how well your amy will do. You can't just throw any old units together and expect it to work. While that is true for WM in general, it is amplified with Retribution of Scyrah.

On that note. It is much fun to be a genocidal, psycho elf...

Thanks for the forewarning. I don't mind the challenge though (it would probably force me to study rules, stats, etc. more than I would). I just remembered that I started 40k w/ dark eldar; so it might be a pattern for me to want to start with the angry, psycho elves. But I still have more thinking to do, I guess.

lol.