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I feel dumb but this is from the faq on the GW site and I don't 100% understand it. Does this mean if your Ever-living fails, you can back it up by using the orb? I'm just confused because I don't understand the difference between Ever-living and Reanimation Protocols/Resurrection orb. I understand the orb gives you the +1 for your reanimation roll. I get that.

Page 82 – Necron Wargear, Resurrection Orb.
Add the following sentence at the end of the second paragraph: “The effect of the resurrection orb applies until the Ever-living counter of the bearer is removed by a failed Reanimation Protocols roll (so roll for the bearer’s counter last!)

THanks

What it is saying is the 4+ for the unit's Reanimation Protocols from the Resurrection Orb lasts until the Lord's Ever-living counter has been removed.

Once the Ever-living counter has been removed the Lord is considered killed and all his effects stop. So if you attempt the Lord's Reanimation Protocols first and fail, the rest of the unit will not be able to make use of the Reanimation Orb because the model carrying it is dead, and can only reanimate on a 5+.

So follow the FAQ and reanimate your Lord last since you can reanimate your Necron models in any order.

So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

Correct me if I'm mistaken.

I thought the Lord's roll was EL not RP.

As EL is just a "special type of RP"

The Lord (or overlord or cryptek for that matter) use Everliving which is a special RP.

I believe the order of EL vs RP rolls is covered in the most recent FAq and even recommends doing your lord with resOrb first and then rolling the rest of the unit. If The Lord is dead, the unit doesn't get the 4+ RP roll until he stands back up; so do him first.

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

They are the same. EL = RP without needing everyone else in the squad to live. You don't get 2 rolls.

Unholyllama wrote:
The Lord (or overlord or cryptek for that matter) use Everliving which is a special RP.

I believe the order of EL vs RP rolls is covered in the most recent FAq and even recommends doing your lord with resOrb first and then rolling the rest of the unit. If The Lord is dead, the unit doesn't get the 4+ RP roll until he stands back up; so do him first.

I believe you have that backwards. You want to do your lord last, so the whole unit can use the res orb. If you did him first and he failed, no one else would get to use the orb.

 ToBeWilly wrote:

Unholyllama wrote:
The Lord (or overlord or cryptek for that matter) use Everliving which is a special RP.

I believe the order of EL vs RP rolls is covered in the most recent FAq and even recommends doing your lord with resOrb first and then rolling the rest of the unit. If The Lord is dead, the unit doesn't get the 4+ RP roll until he stands back up; so do him first.

I believe you have that backwards. You want to do your lord last, so the whole unit can use the res orb. If you did him first and he failed, no one else would get to use the orb.

Hmm I must be thinking of an old FAQ. Current FAQ (1.4) does show that a downed lord with res orb can still benefit his unit's RP rolls. So as of right now, yes, roll the lord's EL roll after the unit's RP rolls.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

They are the same. EL = RP without needing everyone else in the squad to live. You don't get 2 rolls.

Wait what why and how?

 Desubot wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

They are the same. EL = RP without needing everyone else in the squad to live. You don't get 2 rolls.

Wait what why and how?

He's asking if you get 2 rolls. According to his understanding, if you fail RP, you get to roll for EL.

That is incorrect. You get 1 roll, and only 1 roll. EL is just a modified version of RP.

If a lord dies, he rolls EL. If failed, he stays dead. That's it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

They are the same. EL = RP without needing everyone else in the squad to live. You don't get 2 rolls.

Wait what why and how?

He's asking if you get 2 rolls. According to his understanding, if you fail RP, you get to roll for EL.

That is incorrect. You get 1 Roll, and only 1 roll. EL is just a modified version of RP.

I see because iv had people do both. il have to take a look at the rules a bit closer but is it specified under EL?

 Desubot wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Chipperwig wrote:
So if the lord fails his reanimation roll, can he then use his Ever-Living?

They are the same. EL = RP without needing everyone else in the squad to live. You don't get 2 rolls.

Wait what why and how?

He's asking if you get 2 rolls. According to his understanding, if you fail RP, you get to roll for EL.

That is incorrect. You get 1 Roll, and only 1 roll. EL is just a modified version of RP.

I see because iv had people do both. il have to take a look at the rules a bit closer but is it specified under EL?

It's under the Ever Living section. At no point does it say that a model with the Ever Living rule gets to make 2 rolls.

PG29:

"If a model with this special rule is removed as a casualty, do not place add a Reanimation Protocols counter to it's unit. Instead place an ever living counter where the model was removed from play. At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would a Reanimation Protocols counter"

Really? People interpreting it as 2 rolls is common? I thought it was obvious :/

Maybe obvious for some. I'm just a dumb grunt. I'm pretty new to actually playing and learning this game. What may be obvious for you, may not exactly jump off the page at me. I mean I could send you to drop the breach for inspection on an M1A1 Abrams which, in my mind, a child could do with the manuel but you would have many questions.


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Thanks for the clarification guys.

I apologize if I came off as a bit snooty.
I also made some pretty silly mistakes when starting out. I once thought that activating the nightmare shroud in the old 3rd meant that no one in the necron army could fire a weapon, which certainly resulted in some...interesting scenarios.

Its all good. These rules and bouncing between two books (rule book and codex) and some FAQ can be overwhelming for me. I learn better hands on.