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Disclaimer: This is obviously a silly (but fun) idea. Also I'm sorry if this is a frequent and/or old idea.

Basically, I would love to read/see some fights between 40k level armies vs Warhammer Fantasy or LOTR ones, or any other army that is hopelessly outmatched like that, really. Obviously rules would have to be tweaked, but I'd love to see, say, some Space Marines fight a ton of LOTR guys, or Necrons fighting a bunch of Warhammer Fantasy Elves, carving down tons of them as the elves whittle the Necrons away with tremendous sacrifice.

Are there any such crazy battle reports like that around? (or perhaps any art, pictures, or stories to that end?)

I could see 40k fighting fantasy, there's background of the two coming loosely together written, something to do with Magnus being a traitor on one end, and the emperor on the other, and that all being very ironic. Might make for an entertaining game. Good luck balancing it though.
Can't see, and slightly don't want to see LOTR fighting with the two.

Any S4+ large blast = GG fantasy

This takes me back. In the old Rogue Trader days, WF and 40K were much more compatible. There were rules for archaic weapons such as crossbow and longbows. All you had to do to get a WFB and a 40K game going was to choose a points value and get going. The Warhammer player would just use the 40K unit coherancy rules (basically, treating all his regiments and all the 40K players squads as skirmishers).

Now though, the points values are wildly divergent. It might still be fun, but 1500pts of say, Space Marines or IG would utterly table a WF army by turn 2 and lose maybe a dozen models in the process.


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My first game of 40K was actually a battle like this. My Skarlocks Wood Elf Archer and Warhammer Regiments boxed set against his plastic beaky set. Played out on the kitchen work-surface in the local Boy's Brigade hall. It was carnage.

I was maybe just past my eighth birthday.

blood lance wrote:I could see 40k fighting fantasy, there's background of the two coming loosely together written, something to do with Magnus being a traitor on one end, and the emperor on the other, and that all being very ironic. Might make for an entertaining game. Good luck balancing it though.
Can't see, and slightly don't want to see LOTR fighting with the two.

Yep, It would have to be like three squads of marines (if you chose Space Marines) verses an Apocolypse-sized amount of Fantasy XD Wouldn't that be awesome though?

LeadLegion wrote:This takes me back. In the old Rogue Trader days, WF and 40K were much more compatible. There were rules for archaic weapons such as crossbow and longbows. All you had to do to get a WFB and a 40K game going was to choose a points value and get going. The Warhammer player would just use the 40K unit coherancy rules (basically, treating all his regiments and all the 40K players squads as skirmishers).

Now though, the points values are wildly divergent. It might still be fun, but 1500pts of say, Space Marines or IG would utterly table a WF army by turn 2 and lose maybe a dozen models in the process.


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My first game of 40K was actually a battle like this. My Skarlocks Wood Elf Archer and Warhammer Regiments boxed set against his plastic beaky set. Played out on the kitchen work-surface in the local Boy's Brigade hall. It was carnage.

I was maybe just past my eighth birthday.

That really sounds like what must be the good ol days for you Back when I was younger I just used action figures with my friend, lol. I'll never forget how he just grabbed a handful of missiles he had sitting around, and slammed them into my AT-AT with his hand

Really though, balance aside, how hard would it be to just get a veeerrry loose version of 40k rules going for Warhammer fantasy models, all with basically no armor saves, and no ranged ability, etc.?

Dead easy It would be a fun game. You should really give it a go. With the new AP values for melee weapons in 40K it might be easier than you think. Maybe a 3000pt Warhammer army against 750 points of 40K?


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I'd keep the fantasy armour values though.

Don't tell me how I should do it, lol - it makes me sad. The guy that got me in to 40k long ago has stopped playing it over a decade ago, and my gf who bought hundreds of dollars of the stuff said she didn't want to anymore because I was too stringent on the rules the one and only time we/she played, and that she is never comfortable when painting...

Rant. Sorry XD If you have any suggestions of chairs/tables or such things to help from needing to hunch over so much that would help with the hobby (and encourage her/me to get away from video games), do let me know

In the meantime, does anyone else have any experience with this stuff or ideas for it?

Sounds like alot of fun. I would just say use mostly fantasy rules with the 40K guys all being skirmishers. You can treat the AP on the 40K weapons like armour piercing in 40K and change the armour save accordingly, ie AP2 would modify an Sv by -5, etc.

The funny part of this is if the fantasy player uses anything ethereal then the 40K player has no magic to hurt it. I would probably can psychic powers magical and force weapons/wych blades magic weapons.

The hardest part is the psychic powers vs magic phase. I would probably just have the 40K force treat any ML as caster levels and take book spells for their "casters". It might be slightly unbalancing but this wouldn't be balanced anyways when the manticore starts firing.


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BTW for a comfy painting get a really good office chair (usually costs ~150 usd) and use that. I have an old one I took out of my office area when I replaced it and now use that.

Alternatively if you are really coordinated use a cookie sheet and rest it on your lap in a comfy arm chair where you can cuddle up with it and leisurely paint. This is dangerous to your property though as the you will tend to get paint droplets on your chair if you are not careful.

The office chair and the cookie sheet are good suggestions but if you can get yourself one of those ergonomic chairs. I use one in work. They keep your back straight and your posture perfect and are far, far more comfortable than they look. Especially if you plan on sitting for long periods.

Also, try to get a table with an adjustable height. You'll usually find them marked as "art tables" or "hobby tables" in the kids bedroom furniture section of any decent catalogue or furniture store. I got one for my birthday a good twenty, twenty-five years ago and I've been using it ever since. You want a table high enough that you can rest your elbows on it and still be able to look straight across (not up or down) at the miniature you're painting.

Keep your back straight, elbows on the table and arms tucked into your body for stability. Look away from the miniature (preferably out a nearby window) for a few minutes every time you change colours or after an hour (whichever comes first). The change of focus helps to rest the muscles in your eyes and prevents them from getting sore or tired.

If you don't fork out for an ergonomic chair or a height-adjustable table, you need a good office chair with an adjustable height and good SQUARE tipped arm-rests at the very least. The arm rests should be height adjustable too. The reason they need to be square is that you'll be using these to rest your elbows on if your table isn't the right height for you and rounded-ends make your elbow more likely to slip. Not only will that ruin your miniature, it will also hurt like hell when you rake your elbow across the rounded surface.

I personally use a kitchen table and an adjustable ergonomic office chair. But yours is even better, I have tried the painting tables before and they work great.

I paint at a leisurely pace with netflix playing on a tv nearby. So I can shift my focus and keep my eyes fresh. Good advice there.

Heh. I'd like to see a Space Marine player inundated by S4 Armour Piercing Shots. Yep, your 3+ save is now a 5+

Just think what 1d3 S10 AP4(-3 armour save, so -11 armour save total) large blasts from a manticore would do to a fantasy army. Now realize that that is only 160 pts and an IG army can take 3 of them...ouch huh.

The 40K armour saves should probably be improved to compensate but man the 40K already have enough advantages. Honestly even 5 to 1 points may not fully cover the difference in range and strength values on the weapons, but the magic phase should help a little.

 ansacs wrote:
Just think what 1d3 S10 AP4(-3 armour save, so -11 armour save total) large blasts from a manticore would do to a fantasy army. Now realize that that is only 160 pts and an IG army can take 3 of them...ouch huh.

The 40K armour saves should probably be improved to compensate but man the 40K already have enough advantages. Honestly even 5 to 1 points may not fully cover the difference in range and strength values on the weapons, but the magic phase should help a little.

Well, it is realistic to a point. I cant imagine dwarves with axes would do too well against a mechanized infantry division with laser guns, rocket launchers, battle tanks and air support.

Oh, no argument there but for a game there has to be balance and fun. It would not be very fun to kill an entire fantasy army 1st turn...in fact can that even be considered a game?

The 3rd Edition Necron codex actually suggested playing against a Lizardmen army as a possible scenario, though rules would have to be tweaked.

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Oh, no argument there but for a game there has to be balance and fun. It would not be very fun to kill an entire fantasy army 1st turn...in fact can that even be considered a game?

That's why I was suggesting that it would basically be an Apocolypse game, except Warhammer Fantasy would be the huge army and the 40k models would constitute like, 30 guys tops or something

I am thinking 10 WHFB points to 1 40K point. That should give the FB player enough bodies to absorb the damage for 3-4 turns while he closes. Skaven and empire shouldn't do so poorly due to huge amounts of troops. Vampires may actually beat up on the 40K player assuming they take max ethereals, monsters, and zombies.

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I am thinking 10 WHFB points to 1 40K point. That should give the FB player enough bodies to absorb the damage for 3-4 turns while he closes. Skaven and empire shouldn't do so poorly due to huge amounts of troops. Vampires may actually beat up on the 40K player assuming they take max ethereals, monsters, and zombies.

So why don't you make one? Or is anyone else up for the challenge? That would sure as hell be a great read (or a Youtube vid, preferably ^.^).

My local game store actually has done this in fantasy games they had basicly a bunch of fantasy kill teams fighting each other and 1 player would play tyrinids as an invading alien themed army coming in from all sides with just gaunts the melea one. I t was pretty cool.

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My local game store actually has done this in fantasy games they had basicly a bunch of fantasy kill teams fighting each other and 1 player would play tyrinids as an invading alien themed army coming in from all sides with just gaunts the melea one. I t was pretty cool.

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And they didn't post anything about it? Tell them to do it again and do so!