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What do you think of this army list?

Belial
Thunder hammer, Storm Shield

=190pts

Libranian
boltgun, mastery level 2

=105pts

5 Deathwing Terminators [deep striking with belial]
TH/SS, chainfist, Assault Cannon

=250pts

5 Deathwing Terminators
TH/SS, Sergeant with cyclone missile launcher, LCs

=250pts

5 devastators
3 missile launchers, lascannon

=135pts

Vindicator
storm bolter, siege shield
=140pts

3 Ravenwing bikers
Pasma gun
=95pts

3 Ravenwing bikers
2 melta guns, veteran sargent with power sword
=125pts

10 Tactical marines
Plasma gun, sergeant with Combi- weapon, in a rhino

=200pts

total =1500pts

EDIT: updated list at the end of thread.

Hey! I'd someone to look at my list please.

First how many th/ss do you have? It seems like a waste of points. If want assault stick with dwk. Sergents cant take cml only regular dwt. Why plasma on second ravenwing? I think youd be better to find a way to include mm attack boke.

Well what's the plan? With out knowing that I'll only speculate on points efficiency.

From what it looks like, I'd drop 2 TH/SS to add another melta or plasma in the bike squad, or swap them out for knights. 2TH seem to work just fine in a squad most of the time but I don't know your meta.

Also you could drop the PW and vet srg on 3 bikes. Give the tactical squad a possible PC if you're worried about plasma out put. 3 bikes that close shouldn't be worrying about CC they will likely get shot to pieces, maybe a combi melta would work well too. And you don't have to upgrade to vet. srg. to get it.

Consider taking a heavy flamer with belials squad to dig out troops in cover, behind agies lines. I've used the AC cannon with a squad of 1-2 TH just like that but haven't had to go against Tau or guard with the squad.

I do agree with polythemus that a MM attack bike could be useful in there somewhere, but you'd have to drop 60pts. somewhere, and I'm not sure where. Drop the vet srg, and PW, AC to heavy flamer, 2 TH and the Libby to lvl1 would do it, I suppose, but it may not be necessary.

Just options though.

I have the TH/SS Termie stand at the front and soak up the heavy fire power.

The OP only has 1 TH/SS per squad, he just didn't explain it very well.

OP:

Lose the Lvl 2 on the libby and the vet upgrade+power sword on the melta bikes. That's 60 points and 55 will buy you a MM attack bike for the melta bike squad. Outflank these guys. You can detach the attack bike, or not depending on the situation.

So now you'te 5 under. Next, remove the plasma bikes. They're super fragile and don't really accomplish anything that can't be done by other units with weight of fire.

I'm actually ok with Rhinos in general, but having just one is a bad idea. So is having just one Vindicator. Armor is kind of an all or nothing affair. Either mount everyone up, or leave anything with an armor value at home. So drop the Rhino and the Vindicator.

Now we have a core that looks like this:

Belial- 190

Librarian- 65

x2 Terminators squads- 500* (Note: A sergeant can't have ANYTHING other than a Power Sword and Storm Bolter. It's a stupid, stupid oversight on GW's part but we got our FAQ, it's here to stay). Also, forget the lightning claws. They are rule #1, which I'm all for, but a Storm Bolter or second storm shield in the unit will serve you better on the table.

x5 Devastators- 135* (I really think you need at least 8 marines in a Dev squad for ablative wounds; so think about that going forward)

x3 Melta Bikes and MM Attack Bike- 155

x10 Tactical Marines: Plasmagun, Plasma Cannon- 170* (I altered this unit to make sense. Just sit them on an objective or combat squad and sit on two and let them hang back in cover and shoot. That's it.)

Total: 1215. You've got 285 points to bounce up to 1500. Let us know what models you have other than what you've listed and we can help you sharpen this up further.

 The Shrike wrote:
The OP only has 1 TH/SS per squad, he just didn't explain it very well.

OP:

Lose the Lvl 2 on the libby and the vet upgrade+power sword on the melta bikes. That's 60 points and 55 will buy you a MM attack bike for the melta bike squad. Outflank these guys. You can detach the attack bike, or not depending on the situation.

So now you'te 5 under. Next, remove the plasma bikes. They're super fragile and don't really accomplish anything that can't be done by other units with weight of fire.

I'm actually ok with Rhinos in general, but having just one is a bad idea. So is having just one Vindicator. Armor is kind of an all or nothing affair. Either mount everyone up, or leave anything with an armor value at home. So drop the Rhino and the Vindicator.

Now we have a core that looks like this:

Belial- 190

Librarian- 65

x2 Terminators squads- 500* (Note: A sergeant can't have ANYTHING other than a Power Sword and Storm Bolter. It's a stupid, stupid oversight on GW's part but we got our FAQ, it's here to stay). Also, forget the lightning claws. They are rule #1, which I'm all for, but a Storm Bolter or second storm shield in the unit will serve you better on the table.

x5 Devastators- 135* (I really think you need at least 8 marines in a Dev squad for ablative wounds; so think about that going forward)

x3 Melta Bikes and MM Attack Bike- 155

x10 Tactical Marines: Plasmagun, Plasma Cannon- 170* (I altered this unit to make sense. Just sit them on an objective or combat squad and sit on two and let them hang back in cover and shoot. That's it.)

Total: 1215. You've got 285 points to bounce up to 1500. Let us know what models you have other than what you've listed and we can help you sharpen this up further.

First the sergeant can change weapons, the RAW states "any model can replace all of his weapons with [TH/SS, LCs].

Secondaly the models I have are:

1 Company master

1 libraniun

Sammuel on a jet bike

Belial

10 Tacticals

5 sniper scouts

6 Ravenwing bikers

10 Deathwing

Rhino

6 necromunda enforcers that could count as boltgun scouts with a heavy bolter

The clubs I go to let you borrow Bastions and Defence lines, though I don't think they have any emplanced weapons avalible.

Third to build on your list I was thinking of adding 10 more tacticals and the scouts to it.

4th I have £60 in my allowance, however I'm thinking of spending that to start Pike & Shotte instead.

These models are in excess of what you listed before or inclusive?

 The Shrike wrote:
These models are in excess of what you listed before or inclusive?

The models I posted are all I have.

Two things:

First, the codex FAQ changed the wording on weapon options for Deathwing squads. It now only lets you trade in your SB/PF. So Sergeants are stuck with the PW/SB.

Second, Attack Bikes always operate separately from their squad. It's in the codex on page 47.

 MrEconomics wrote:
Two things:

First, the codex FAQ changed the wording on weapon options for Deathwing squads. It now only lets you trade in your SB/PF. So Seargeants are stuck with the PW/SB.

well I don't use FAQs when i play games, so that dosen't affect me/

If that works wherever you play, great. Don't expect it to fly elsewhere.

If you play RAW then put PFG's inside LRC's with banner of dev lol. Rape.

Here's my updated list:

Belial
thunder hammer, storm shield

=190pts

libranian
2 mastery levels, auspex

=105pts

10 Deathwing Terminators [deep striking with Belial]
assualt cannon, chainfist, 2 TH/SS, cyclone missile launcher

=500pts


10 Tactical Marines
Plasma gun, Sergeant with combi-weapon

=165pts

10 Tactical Marines
Heavy bolter, Plasma gun, Sergeant with Melta Bombs, Boltgun

=170pts

7 devastators
3 missile launcher, Lascannon

=163pts

5 Ravenwing Bikers
2 melta guns, attack bike with multi-melta

=209pts

Total=1502pts

 The Shrike wrote:
If you play RAW then put PFG's inside LRC's with banner of dev lol. Rape.

No because There are better uses for the standard and besides the LRC will mainly be right in front of the enemy to drop off its Termies [where the placement of the HBs means their targetting area is limited].

Anyone?

 sing your life wrote:
Anyone?

anyone?

Drop both termie squads and make a 9-10 man of Deathwing Knights and laugh at all your opponents faces when you deepstrike 10 termies t5 with 2/3+

Jpat1213 wrote:
Drop both termie squads and make a 9-10 man of Deathwing Knights and laugh at all your opponents faces when you deepstrike 10 termies t5 with 2/3+

No because:

1. deathwing knight can't capture objectives due to being elites.
2.There would be no reason to take belial becuase he pays 60pts to make Terminators troops. That's useless if you only have knights.
3.DK can't do anything when they DS.
4.I don't have 10 DKs, I'm planning to convert any DKs I make to wear Catapharii armour.


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Anyone else?

Anyone else?

Anyone else.

If you don't play by the FAQs then it is a bit hard for those of us who do play by the rules to offer input, as ignoring the FAQs creates a very different playing environment...

Just FYI, you can give your sergeant lighting claws or a TH/SS. The current rules state any model in the unit may replace all weapons with those options, and doesn't stipulate ""Deathwing Terminator".

DiabloSpawn33 wrote:
If you don't play by the FAQs then it is a bit hard for those of us who do play by the rules to offer input, as ignoring the FAQs creates a very different playing environment...

You're not helping......

Anyone else?

Anyone?

themadlbb wrote:
Just FYI, you can give your sergeant lighting claws or a TH/SS. The current rules state any model in the unit may replace all weapons with those options, and doesn't stipulate ""Deathwing Terminator".

Check the FAQ you can not give your commander anything but an assault cannon,Plasma cannon, or heavy flamer. I know it's stupid but thats what GW FAQed it as

Have you considered combining the DW into 1 10-man unit to make the most of Belial's no-scatter DS? I find one unit of 10 Terminators is more effective than 2 5-man unit. Better force concentration and more reliability, as well as a better psycological impact.

 Paradigm wrote:
Have you considered combining the DW into 1 10-man unit to make the most of Belial's no-scatter DS? I find one unit of 10 Terminators is more effective than 2 5-man unit. Better force concentration and more reliability, as well as a better psycological impact.

Good idea! I'll just edit the list.

Jpat1213 wrote:

themadlbb wrote:
Just FYI, you can give your sergeant lighting claws or a TH/SS. The current rules state any model in the unit may replace all weapons with those options, and doesn't stipulate ""Deathwing Terminator".

Check the FAQ you can not give your commander anything but an assault cannon,Plasma cannon, or heavy flamer. I know it's stupid but thats what GW FAQed it as

GW has stated that the digital codex version always contain the most up to date rules, and the most recent update of the digital codex states that any model may replace all of thei weapons with. TH/SS or lighting claws. It was always an oversight, I'm sure, but there ya go. One of the reasons I now buy digital codecs, they do occasionally update those before releasing a round of FAQs.