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Hi guys, Im new to Eldar and I was wondering whether it would be viable to run a wraithwing at 1000 points or not, and if so, what would it look like?

I had two possible lists in mind (Although I don't have the exact point costs cos my new dec delivery got mucked up so it still hasnt arrived )

List 1:
HQ:
Spiritseer
Spiritseer

Troops:
10X wraithguard with wraithcannons
10X wraithguard with wraithcannons

Heavy support:
Wraithlord with 2 BLs
Wraithlord with 2 BLs

this list is trying to get as high a model count as possible while still remaining elite and tough. It still suffers from being really slow though

List 2:

HQ:
Spiritseer
Spiritseer

Troops:
5X wraithguard with wraithcannons in wave serpent with scatter laser
5X wraithguard with wraithcannons in wave serpent with scatter laser

Heavy Support:
Wraithknight with suncannon and scattershield

This list is much more fast moving with all models being able to move 12" some way or another (i.e. transports) but suffers from very low model count

So which one do you think is best? Is there a different way of playing them that i havent thought of? Any suggestions welcome

Serpents are the way to get your wraiths rolling but I would try and get holo on them. The knight is a thug even in stock trim so you could kit in cheeper. I see flyers just killing a list like this.


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I don't have my codex on me but I think the way I run my wraiths/serpents they are just about 300 points each. 5 man squad, serpent, holo, scatter. I have had good luck with this and if you have the points the d-scythe and vector engines can be a nasty combo. And not much will want to assult them. I never like putting a ton of points in one or two units. Maybe try only one seer, 2 wraith/serpents, and a stock load out knight, that would get you around 900 or so points.

Hi zellway thanks for the reply

I know its very weak to flyers but luckily none of my friends are going to field flyers. If it helps then I'm having a mini competition with my friends who are playing nurgle CSMs, Vanilla marines, dark eldar, and either necrons or orks. Hopefully flyers wont be a problem. If they do I've got quite a few high strength shots anyway.

Either way I'm guessing list 2 is the best list so should I just drop the suncannon and scattershield on the knight and give the serpents holofields? Also waht about any other vehicle upgrades like star engines?Also, would you recommend having D-scythes in one squad or even wraithblades?

I have tested all 4 types of wraith and found the D get the best kill for the points. if you take vector on the serpents you can fly out and park the back hatch facking where you would like to unload and get the most range as they unload and then trun around to give the better armor the face the shooting. Holo will help save shots and as long as you keep the serpent shield up they will have to hull point them to death and that is a big help. That thing cuts out cover saves and can help out if you end up in night fight. if you run the dressed up Knight always take one scatter lazer so you can reroll the scatter on you Suncannon.


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In some of my games I found wraith blades are nice to run with the avatar. They keep him at T6 and if you have the axe guys give him +4 inv wounds. This is fun to run with the knight as he can "hammer of wrath" a squad and eat up snap shots with his crazy T8 and let the Avatar jump in and finish the light work.

I guess the problem is that WSs arent assault vehicles so the wraithblades would have to take a heavy turn of shooting before they charge(although I can see a nice combo with vectored engines to keep them all in cover).

Also are D-scythes worth the extra points? Against a sqaud of 5 terminators they will both do similar damage(ok maybe scythes will do a little more) so should I upgrade something else like waveserpents or wraith knights (Or even spiritseers with the remnants of glory/gifts of Asuryan like giving one a wraith forge stone for invincible wraith knight!)

You would think Eldar would get some type of assault transport. There are ways to make wrath blades work but with 6th as shooty as it is large walking targets is how they end up. No one wants to assult D-scythes when they auto hit on the assult and with D3 hits. I had a game where I jumped out and took out 3 of 6 terminators with shooting he lost one more on the way in and we got to swing first and I got him down to just one and then he killed one of mine. Next round he got one more and my Avatar got to the fight and fished it. Eldar don't have much in the "all around" class. The knight can do a bunch of stuff for his points. but like anything if you don't suport it just about any army can take it down.

Ok my dex finally came but there is no way for me to able to take D-scythes aswell as holofields on both serpents so there are a few different layouts i could have.

type 1
HQ
Spiritseer-70
Spiritseer-70

Troops
5x wraithguard-160
5x wraithguard with D-scythes-210

Dedicated Transports
Wave serpent with holo-fields-130
wave serpent with tl scatter lasers-120

Heavy Support
wraithknight-240

TOTAL - 1000

type 2
HQ
Spiritseer-70
Spiritseer-70

Troops
Wraithguard-160
Wraithguard-160

Dedicated Transport
Wave Serpent with holo fields-130
Wave Serpent with holo fields-130

Heavy support
Wraithknight with sun cannon and scattershield-280

Total 1000

type 3
HQ
Spiritseer-70

Troops
Wraithblades-160
Wraithguard with D-scythes-210

Dedicated Transports
Wave serpent with holo fields and chin suriken cannon-140
Wave serpent with holo fields and chin suriken cannon-140

Heavy Support
Wraithknight with suncannon/scattershield-280

Total 1000

So what do you think? Which one?

At 1000 points I think all the lists you posted should do well. All my last games have been 1500 or more so I sometimes forget how tight Eldar can be at this point level. I would try running the one seer to unlock the points needed for other units. I know you are working on a Wraith list but it's hard to not take jet bikes. for 61 points you can take 3 with a cannon. hold them in reserves and they can jump in a pick up a objective late game. I stress a little with only 2 troop units even good ones like Wraiths. You should play test your lists and see what you like. Your style of play might just work out. Any list is only as good as the person running it. That a big part of the fun

O.K thanks a lot for all the help and happy wargaming!

Ok, your Wraithknight needs a scatter laser to Twinlink your Suncannon. Greatly increased efficiency, otherwise you are better off running him stock. Also, you are better off running Iyanden and finding 30 points for the stone.

I like list 3 the best, I don't feel the need for a second Spiritseer at 1000.

Just my 2 cents.

 zellway wrote:
I have tested all 4 types of wraith and found the D get the best kill for the points. if you take vector on the serpents you can fly out and park the back hatch facking where you would like to unload and get the most range as they unload and then trun around to give the better armor the face the shooting. Holo will help save shots and as long as you keep the serpent shield up they will have to hull point them to death and that is a big help. That thing cuts out cover saves and can help out if you end up in night fight. if you run the dressed up Knight always take one scatter lazer so you can reroll the scatter on you Suncannon.


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In some of my games I found wraith blades are nice to run with the avatar. They keep him at T6 and if you have the axe guys give him +4 inv wounds. This is fun to run with the knight as he can "hammer of wrath" a squad and eat up snap shots with his crazy T8 and let the Avatar jump in and finish the light work.

D scythes are 100percent amazing. That's all i run mine with , but at so low points, it's ok to not have them both.. But having one squad with em is nice.

Avatar can't join wrath blades, he's not an independent character.

Zagman wrote:
Ok, your Wraithknight needs a scatter laser to Twinlink your Suncannon. Greatly increased efficiency, otherwise you are better off running him stock. Also, you are better off running Iyanden and finding 30 points for the stone.

I like list 3 the best, I don't feel the need for a second Spiritseer at 1000.

Just my 2 cents.

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ninjafiredragon wrote:

 zellway wrote:
I have tested all 4 types of wraith and found the D get the best kill for the points. if you take vector on the serpents you can fly out and park the back hatch facking where you would like to unload and get the most range as they unload and then trun around to give the better armor the face the shooting. Holo will help save shots and as long as you keep the serpent shield up they will have to hull point them to death and that is a big help. That thing cuts out cover saves and can help out if you end up in night fight. if you run the dressed up Knight always take one scatter lazer so you can reroll the scatter on you Suncannon.


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In some of my games I found wraith blades are nice to run with the avatar. They keep him at T6 and if you have the axe guys give him +4 inv wounds. This is fun to run with the knight as he can "hammer of wrath" a squad and eat up snap shots with his crazy T8 and let the Avatar jump in and finish the light work.

D scythes are 100percent amazing. That's all i run mine with , but at so low points, it's ok to not have them both.. But having one squad with em is nice.

Avatar can't join wrath blades, he's not an independent character.

I didn't know the Avatar is not indenpendaent Thats my falt.

ok so how about this?

HQ:
Spiritseer with wraith forge stone-100 points

Troops:
Wraithblades with ghostglaives-160 points
Wraithguard with D-Scythes- 210 points

Dedicated Transports:
Wave serpent with holo-fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145
Wave serpent with holo fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145

Heavy support:
Wraithknight-240

TOTAL-1000

*EDIT* what do you guys think about the wraithblades? I thought they would be fun to run with the spiritseer as they can get furious charge but should i change them out for some stock wraithguard and/or move the spiritseer to the other squad?

 DauntedFungus123 wrote:
ok so how about this?

Spoiler:

HQ:
Spiritseer with wraith forge stone-100 points

Troops:
Wraithblades with ghostglaives-160 points
Wraithguard with D-Scythes- 210 points

Dedicated Transports:
Wave serpent with holo-fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145
Wave serpent with holo fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145

Heavy support:
Wraithknight-240

TOTAL-1000

*EDIT* what do you guys think about the wraithblades? I thought they would be fun to run with the spiritseer as they can get furious charge but should i change them out for some stock wraithguard and/or move the spiritseer to the other squad?

I like most of your changtes. I think the wraithblades are a mistake and that you are far better off fielding standard wraithguard there. Getting out of the Serpent they can still potentially run and shoot, the blades will have to be sit there and look scary for a turn. I feel they are best run in 8-10 strong accompanied by an Iyanden Spiritseer with the Wraithstone and Spear of Tethuas marching at an enemy objective and while trying to take advantage of cover. 1500pts is probably a better point value to include the wraithblades.

ok so I'll have standard wraithguard there but which squad should the spiritseer go with? he could help battle focus either of them but which one would benefit most? Also, could he use wraithforge on wraithknight while he's inside the waveserpent?

 DauntedFungus123 wrote:
ok so I'll have standard wraithguard there but which squad should the spiritseer go with? he could help battle focus either of them but which one would benefit most? Also, could he use wraithforge on wraithknight while he's inside the waveserpent?

I believe he can use the Wraithstone while inside of a transport.

I would put the Spiritseer with the standard Wraithguard, they'll benefit the most from Spiritmark. It also serves to make target priority more difficult for your opponent, as a Seer with D-Scythes is a must kill, now they must choose between flamer distortion death and taking out your force multiplier.

Also, I'd name your Wraithknight as your Warlord, the table serves him well enough.

Ok thanks and yes I was going to make my wraith knight my warlord. I think it's a pretty solid list but I'm scared that my serpents will get popped and my wraithguards will have to slog it up the field. I know I've got fields and shields but they feel way too valuable

Not gonna lie, just copy and pasted my last post because it's basically the same advice

At 1000pts, I'd try this:

1. Spiritseer - 70pts.

2. Spiritseer - 70pts.

3. Wraithguard Squad - 160pts.
w/ 5 x Members, Wraithcannons.

- Wave Serpent - 145pts.
w/ TL - Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields.

4. Wraithguard Squad - 160pts.
w/ 5 x Members, Wraithcannons.

- Wave Serpent - 145pts.
w/ TL - Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holofields.

5. Wraithknight - 240pts.
w/ 2 x Heavy Wraithcannons.

This comes to 990pts.

You have mobility in the form of the Wave Serpents which also grant you a great deal of high-S firepower to thin down hordes or wreck most light to medium vehicles.

You have very tough scoring units with psyker support, who pack a punch at close range.

And you have big nasty flying about the place shooting vehicles and MCs to heck.

Hope this helps,

Iranna.

Ok thanks but we just agreed to drop the second spiritseer to free up some points for the wraith forge stone and some D-Scythes for the wraithguards but thanks for helping!

 DauntedFungus123 wrote:
ok so how about this?

HQ:
Spiritseer with wraith forge stone-100 points

Troops:
Wraithblades with ghostglaives-160 points
Wraithguard with D-Scythes- 210 points

Dedicated Transports:
Wave serpent with holo-fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145
Wave serpent with holo fields and twin linked scatter laser and chin shuriken cannon-145

Heavy support:
Wraithknight-240

TOTAL-1000

*EDIT* what do you guys think about the wraithblades? I thought they would be fun to run with the spiritseer as they can get furious charge but should i change them out for some stock wraithguard and/or move the spiritseer to the other squad?

I'd drop the Wraithblades for regular Wraithguard. Wraithblades need too long to get into cc.