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My twin brother just started Flames of war with his American TD Company, bought an entire 1750 point army, built it, played a few games, know what he's doing and now wants to paint it.

But he doesn't want to paint it historically (he wants to try a dark purple with pink highlights/drybrush or dark blue with light blue or purple highlights or White with red camo/drybrush), I for one don't mind and think it adds a bit of flavor, but how do you think the rest of the community will treat it? Just curious, cause I was thinking that some peolple might be to HC (Historically correct) and get the nads in a twist.

I paint mine historically because I just do and like it by the way .

His models his paint choice

Some people will care, some won't

Your models do with them as you please.
but i would ask him if he was pretty high when he painted them or did he think that they were Space MArine tanks.
Next would be are they members of dont ask dont tell Brigade?
Or did you buy them off ebay and just has not got around to strippping the paint off.
But i would play a match against him anyways.So i could just would pick on him the whole time,i probably would sing old Village people songs just to annoy him. In the NAVY....

You figures, do what you like.

Just don't expect some to play with you as such a scheme ruins the historical imagery of a historical game. It becomes non-historical then. May as well use space marines or blocks of wood.

I play historical games for the imagery of the period. If I wanted blue tanks, I'd play 40k...

For me, historical gaming is just that... Gaming a historical period.

Big P wrote:
You figures, do what you like.

Just don't expect some to play with you as such a scheme ruins the historical imagery of a historical game. It becomes non-historical then. May as well use space marines or blocks of wood.

I play historical games for the imagery of the period. If I wanted blue tanks, I'd play 40k...

For me, historical gaming is just that... Gaming a historical period.

Yep. I don't get why he would be attracted to a WW2 historical game but then want to have purple tanks.

Why did dozens of people play in WWPD operation sea lion last year?

It's ahistorical but enjoyable, I guess like painting units in an ahistorical way.

Personally I do get bored of dunkgelb and greens every so often so paint some infinity etc

Big P wrote:
You figures, do what you like.

Just don't expect some to play with you as such a scheme ruins the historical imagery of a historical game. It becomes non-historical then. May as well use space marines or blocks of wood.

I play historical games for the imagery of the period. If I wanted blue tanks, I'd play 40k...

For me, historical gaming is just that... Gaming a historical period.

Blue tanks are historically fine

Sorry couldn't resist.

They are his models, and I have seen some good alternate colour schemes. There's a little known thing around called imaginations, where people buy historical models models but then have their own country and history, inventing it. They invent a history for their country and uniforms/paint schemes.

I wont play anyone whose paint scheme doesn't resemble a historical scheme if playing a historical battle, but purple Sherman's facing down some German vehicles driven by dogs (anyone know the reference?) or Nazi UFO's would be fun

I get the historicals with a-historical scenarios like Sea Lion. But, realize, those are based on actual OPLANS, and/or plausible 'what if's.

I also get imaginations, but they should in my opinion, still fit into the time period.

Purple tanks with a pink highlight just don't really fit into the time period well in my opinion.

As previously stated, your toys, do what you want. But my opinion is just as valid, and a slew of historical gamers are going to hold similar opinions and may not want to be fighting pink highlighted purple tanks when gaming WW2 actions.

Well that aint a tank for starters... Its a Saracen APC!

Its a personal choice, do what you like, but let's not start making out that people who play historically lack imaginations or imply that its something weird.

If you think its ok for odd colour schemes, grand... But let's not make those that play historically feel like lepers.

Its a broad hobby so perhaps a little respect for how all people want to play with their toys without the prejudice of others.

People can paint them how they want.

For me, I will paint them as accurate as I can because for me that's important. Its important because I have a love of history, ww2 inparticular, and I feel its impoetant to show a real event in an accuarte manner for me as I know people who played in the war for real... To me, not being historical, don't sit right for ww2. I'd rather memorialise the period not fictionalise it.

Again, that's my personal view... Don't care what others do, but that's how I do my hobby.

Who I play with is also my perogative. All my club play with historical forces so I don't have to worry about it. Would I play against purple tanks? No I wouldn't. Would spoil the imagery for me. I'd happily lend the person an army to play with though as its my foible, not theirs.

Being historical doesn't equate to a lack of imagination. I may as well say that painting them non-historical shows laziness as people don't want to do research... Both comments are utterly false.

Its a personal hobby, let people do it their way and allow them to express their preference how they see fit.

it's the closest to a blue tank I could find without putting too much effort in

10 out of 10 for effort!

Big P wrote:
10 out of 10 for effort!

Touche...that positively dripped with sarcasm.

To each their own. your models paint them how you like.

Big P wrote:
Well that aint a tank for starters... Its a Saracen APC!

Its a personal choice, do what you like, but let's not start making out that people who play historically lack imaginations or imply that its something weird.

If you think its ok for odd colour schemes, grand... But let's not make those that play historically feel like lepers.

Its a broad hobby so perhaps a little respect for how all people want to play with their toys without the prejudice of others.

People can paint them how they want.

For me, I will paint them as accurate as I can because for me that's important. Its important because I have a love of history, ww2 inparticular, and I feel its impoetant to show a real event in an accuarte manner for me as I know people who played in the war for real... To me, not being historical, don't sit right for ww2. I'd rather memorialise the period not fictionalise it.

Again, that's my personal view... Don't care what others do, but that's how I do my hobby.

Who I play with is also my perogative. All my club play with historical forces so I don't have to worry about it. Would I play against purple tanks? No I wouldn't. Would spoil the imagery for me. I'd happily lend the person an army to play with though as its my foible, not theirs.

Being historical doesn't equate to a lack of imagination. I may as well say that painting them non-historical shows laziness as people don't want to do research... Both comments are utterly false.

Its a personal hobby, let people do it their way and allow them to express their preference how they see fit.

As always, what he said.................

Aldramelech wrote:As always, what he said................ .

As always, definitely what this guy says too....

Big P wrote:
Well that aint a tank for starters... Its a Saracen APC!

Its a personal choice, do what you like, but let's not start making out that people who play historically lack imaginations or imply that its something weird.

If you think its ok for odd colour schemes, grand... But let's not make those that play historically feel like lepers.

Its a broad hobby so perhaps a little respect for how all people want to play with their toys without the prejudice of others.

People can paint them how they want.

For me, I will paint them as accurate as I can because for me that's important. Its important because I have a love of history, ww2 inparticular, and I feel its impoetant to show a real event in an accuarte manner for me as I know people who played in the war for real... To me, not being historical, don't sit right for ww2. I'd rather memorialise the period not fictionalise it.

Again, that's my personal view... Don't care what others do, but that's how I do my hobby.

Who I play with is also my perogative. All my club play with historical forces so I don't have to worry about it. Would I play against purple tanks? No I wouldn't. Would spoil the imagery for me. I'd happily lend the person an army to play with though as its my foible, not theirs.

Being historical doesn't equate to a lack of imagination. I may as well say that painting them non-historical shows laziness as people don't want to do research... Both comments are utterly false.

Its a personal hobby, let people do it their way and allow them to express their preference how they see fit.

The resarch is part of the fun,i especially like to watch you tube ww2 doc or movies while i paint. Also read my edited comments from my first post.

I'm okay with a-historical schemes to an extent, as long as its a REALISTIC and PLAUSIBLE scheme. If you want to paint your WW2 tank in a modern camo scheme or an invented camo scheme that looks like it *could* have been used at the time, why not? But pink and blue? Come on man, at least *TRY*.

I mentioned this on another thread recently...

I wanted to paint my FoW Germans (late-war) grey, but was "urged" by the people at my FLGS at the time to paint them more historically. They suggested I look at some old pictures and base my paint scheme off of that...

Turns out many old pictures are in black and white.

If your brother wants a really different/stand out colour sceme, maybe try doing greyscale or sepia tones, or bluescale if he really wants the blue. Actually, blue could look like a faded out picture I suppose...

 Goremaul wrote:
I mentioned this on another thread recently...

I wanted to paint my FoW Germans (late-war) grey, but was "urged" by the people at my FLGS at the time to paint them more historically. They suggested I look at some old pictures and base my paint scheme off of that...

Turns out many old pictures are in black and white.

If your brother wants a really different/stand out colour sceme, maybe try doing greyscale or sepia tones, or bluescale if he really wants the blue. Actually, blue could look like a faded out picture I suppose...

I'm in a fairly similar situation, thinking of going with the germans' early war grey/brown for my late war tanks rather than the late war yellow which i find unappealing. Are people in tournaments or whatever going to make a fuss? I don't think I'll be dissuaded from painting the way I want but I'm curious how mad people would get

If the tournament is a "be the best general and win your games" sort of event, I would say, "who cares how they're painted, we're here to see who is the best at the game." If it was a narrative event then maybe painting them "accurately as possible" would probably be the way to go.

 ph34r wrote:

 Goremaul wrote:
I mentioned this on another thread recently...

I wanted to paint my FoW Germans (late-war) grey, but was "urged" by the people at my FLGS at the time to paint them more historically. They suggested I look at some old pictures and base my paint scheme off of that...

Turns out many old pictures are in black and white.

If your brother wants a really different/stand out colour sceme, maybe try doing greyscale or sepia tones, or bluescale if he really wants the blue. Actually, blue could look like a faded out picture I suppose...

I'm in a fairly similar situation, thinking of going with the germans' early war grey/brown for my late war tanks rather than the late war yellow which i find unappealing. Are people in tournaments or whatever going to make a fuss? I don't think I'll be dissuaded from painting the way I want but I'm curious how mad people would get

Well, when I painted a couple of Tigers and a couple infantry stands, the guys at my FLGS loved the idea (all of them have armies painted in historical colours). That said, they're more about just playing than having things be completely historically accurate, so take that as you will...

 Goremaul wrote:
I mentioned this on another thread recently...

I wanted to paint my FoW Germans (late-war) grey, but was "urged" by the people at my FLGS at the time to paint them more historically. They suggested I look at some old pictures and base my paint scheme off of that...

Turns out many old pictures are in black and white.

If your brother wants a really different/stand out colour sceme, maybe try doing greyscale or sepia tones, or bluescale if he really wants the blue. Actually, blue could look like a faded out picture I suppose...

The idea of making a diorama of a FoW battle painted like an old black and white video seems really appealing.

I kind of wish I had thought of painting my army black and white, instead of the standard greens.

 Poppabear wrote:
My twin brother just started Flames of war with his American TD Company, bought an entire 1750 point army, built it, played a few games, know what he's doing and now wants to paint it.

But he doesn't want to paint it historically (he wants to try a dark purple with pink highlights/drybrush or dark blue with light blue or purple highlights or White with red camo/drybrush), I for one don't mind and think it adds a bit of flavor, but how do you think the rest of the community will treat it? Just curious, cause I was thinking that some peolple might be to HC (Historically correct) and get the nads in a twist.

I paint mine historically because I just do and like it by the way .

Some people will be horribly offended as if you just kicked their puppy for a field goal. Others will laugh hysterically. Most will raise an eyebrow and play anyway and not worry too much about it.

Some folks will definitely get their nads in a twist and that is certainly on them. Just means he'll need to find a different opponent to play instead. Everyone has their own approach to things like this and the key is finding those who will play anyway regardless of facing an opponent with purple tank destroyers and leaving the historically correct folks to play others who also value that aspect of the game.

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 CptJake wrote:
Yep. I don't get why he would be attracted to a WW2 historical game but then want to have purple tanks.

Because Flames of War is a superior game to 40k in every way? FoW already plays a bit with the historical accuracy in the name of game balance as is, so trying to play the "historical game" card is kind of silly since the really hard core historical gamers don't consider FoW to be very historical other than the fact that it is set in WW2. Besides you wouldn't likely ask the motives of someone who has chosen to play 40k, but insists on painting his army in a real world military's historical scheme as if it makes no sense to want to paint historical colors, but play a sci-fi game. So why go the other way?

If the historical side is what you like about it then there is nothing wrong with that. Just realize that someone who also likes the game, but paints their tanks purple can have equally valid reasons for wanting to play the game too. I love flames of war and I have been studying the second world war almost since birth But even I still take some short cuts in historical accuracy to get my forces painted faster for gaming.

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Big P wrote:
Who I play with is also my perogative. All my club play with historical forces so I don't have to worry about it. Would I play against purple tanks? No I wouldn't. Would spoil the imagery for me. I'd happily lend the person an army to play with though as its my foible, not theirs.

If you really cared and accepted that it was your foible and not theirs then you would play them anyway, regardless of their ahistorical paint scheme, realizing that it wasn't going to kill you to do so. Instead your position makes your foible all that matters in the exchange. Opponent has an ahistorical paint scheme? OK. They can either play with an unfamliar army you find to be painted in an acceptable manner or they don't get to play you. Doesn't matter that you completely subvert and remove any personal investment your opponent migth have in the game, their own army or the situation in general. All that matters is your preference and nothing else.

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