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Land Raider Crusader - x2 hurricane bolters, assault cannon, multi-melta
Land Raider Redeemer - x2 flamerstorm cannons, assault cannon, multi-melta

Thoughts?

The Flamestorm cannon requires you to get right in their faces to be used, which is a little close for comfort with all those powerklaws to go around. They're specialized for killing Marines, and the solid AP3 of them is wasted on Orks. Hurricane Bolters will chew Orks up from 24" and closer, and the Crusader can hold more dudes to boot.

I'd go with the regular one. Whatever is inside the land raider will kill whatever either the crusader or redeemer will kill with sponsons, while neither of those sponsons will break open battlewagons (or, let's be honest, trukks), and frying a nob biker per turn of fire isn't exactly bad either.

You shouldn't need a flamer that, if it ever gets to fire, will only ever hit a model or two, or a 250 point set of bolters to handle ork infantry. Even if you did, neither would make much of a difference.

 Ailaros wrote:
I'd go with the regular one. Whatever is inside the land raider will kill whatever either the crusader or redeemer will kill with sponsons, while neither of those sponsons will break open battlewagons (or, let's be honest, trukks), and frying a nob biker per turn of fire isn't exactly bad either.

None of the weapons any of the standard GW Land Raiders can take can ID a Nob Biker.

And really, if you're that starved for Lascannons, you take a Predator or some Lascannon Devastators instead. You don't take a Land Raider for its weapons.

When i played 4th ed dark angels, the combination of a crusader and maxed out squad of SM did wonders against hordes. I once rolled up on about 20 gaunts, disembarked, and opened rapid fire on them. if i remember correctly i wiped out the entire squad.

 necrons_ftw wrote:
When i played 4th ed dark angels, the combination of a crusader and maxed out squad of SM did wonders against hordes. I once rolled up on about 20 gaunts, disembarked, and opened rapid fire on them. if i remember correctly i wiped out the entire squad.

like shooting guardsmen in a barrel.

Now imagine that with a SoD

I'm eventually going to run a tri-raider SOD list .... just posted a variant of it in the army lists - 172 bolter shots a turn or something ridiculous

I've got a matchup against orkz tomorrow and I'm going to field Belial and a squad of Deathwing Knights in a Land Raider to screen for the rest of my Deathwing - 2k points match - prolly going to go with the crusader ... wasnt sure about the flamestorms but they dont seem worth it.

The crusader is definitely the best one to pick against orks. As Ork, it's pretty much safe to ignore the regular (Godhammer?) landraider, as nothing in our codex really fears a pair of lascannons that much. The redeemer suffers from short range and actually not being better than any other pair of flamers. In addition the flamers are mounted on sponsons, so you often have the vehicle itself blocking the template, notably reducing the amount of casualties you inflict. The hurricane bolter has ok range and is pretty decent at killing boyz, plus you get increased transport capacity. So while I agree that taking a landraider for its weapons is nonsense, hurricane bolters are the most efficient weapon of the three against orks.

 Jidmah wrote:
The crusader is definitely the best one to pick against orks. As Ork, it's pretty much safe to ignore the regular (Godhammer?) landraider, as nothing in our codex really fears a pair of lascannons that much. The redeemer suffers from short range and actually not being better than any other pair of flamers. In addition the flamers are mounted on sponsons, so you often have the vehicle itself blocking the template, notably reducing the amount of casualties you inflict. The hurricane bolter has ok range and is pretty decent at killing boyz, plus you get increased transport capacity. So while I agree that taking a landraider for its weapons is nonsense, hurricane bolters are the most efficient weapon of the three against orks.

The only thing you'll have a problem with as compared to the standard pattern is Battlewagons. Their Deff Rollas against your Auto Cannon = Deff Rolla wins.
Barring that, though, the Crusader is a great choice.

If it's cities of death Flamers FTW.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
The crusader is definitely the best one to pick against orks. As Ork, it's pretty much safe to ignore the regular (Godhammer?) landraider, as nothing in our codex really fears a pair of lascannons that much. The redeemer suffers from short range and actually not being better than any other pair of flamers. In addition the flamers are mounted on sponsons, so you often have the vehicle itself blocking the template, notably reducing the amount of casualties you inflict. The hurricane bolter has ok range and is pretty decent at killing boyz, plus you get increased transport capacity. So while I agree that taking a landraider for its weapons is nonsense, hurricane bolters are the most efficient weapon of the three against orks.

The only thing you'll have a problem with as compared to the standard pattern is Battlewagons. Their Deff Rollas against your Auto Cannon = Deff Rolla wins.
Barring that, though, the Crusader is a great choice.

Meh, a battlewagon wins against any land raider. Either the multi-melta take out the wagon or the big box is getting deff rolled. Lascannons into AV14 and 5+ cover is not that likely to cause anything. If your landraider is you only way to handle battlewagons, you should follow the advice given above: Drop it and get two predators instead. As ork player, I'm more worried about AV13 vehicles hiding in the back, than about AV14 vehicles coming right at me. The best protection for a landraider is a lascannon predator sitting on the other flank - that way it can fire three lascannons into side armor, killing it more often than not.

 Ailaros wrote:
I'd go with the regular one. Whatever is inside the land raider will kill whatever either the crusader or redeemer will kill with sponsons, while neither of those sponsons will break open battlewagons (or, let's be honest, trukks), and frying a nob biker per turn of fire isn't exactly bad either.

You shouldn't need a flamer that, if it ever gets to fire, will only ever hit a model or two, or a 250 point set of bolters to handle ork infantry. Even if you did, neither would make much of a difference.

The standard Land Raider is one of the most schizophrenic units in the game. It's kind of sort of good at three distinct tasks, which means it's not really good at anything for the points. It's got anti infantry weapons! but you don't want to waste it on infantry. It's got anti tank weapons! But then you're wasting the anti infantry weapons and the cargo inside. Its guns have 36-48 inches of range! But you want to be within 12" so your dudes can get out and charge. On top of that, it can only hold 5 Terminators (well, 6 in vanilla Space Marines, but that's going to be rectified) and can't fit characters as well. It's not unified in purpose, it's only sort of good at three distinct tasks, and you're wasting its long range if you're just shoving it down the throat of your opponent. If you're looking to wipe out hordes and transport a large assault unit, there's no better choice than the Crusader. If you want to pop Battlewagons at range, you've got Devastators and Predators, or Stormtalons/Stormravens flying in and hitting the sides.

I'd go crusader. If they're running horde orks, the Flamestorms won't kill as much as the hurricane bolters, the crusader will hold more troops, and you'll rarely get positioned to shoot both flamestorms anyway.

The Orks love cover saves. You want to get them out of there where they get it. Flamestorm cannons are not interested about covers, thus frying everyone with absolute combustible equality.

The Hurricane bolters won't do that. Yes, they reach further, but 6 bolter shots at 24"? They're twin-linked, yes, but that AP5 doesn't get you anywhere - unless the Ork player REALLY wishes to play against you on a table, which mostly consists of open ground and little to no obstacles to block their bodies.

My personal experience has taught me that - by average - the Land Raider Redeemer is superior in "all-rounder" terms, and firepower. The flamestorm cannons reach only close, but when they do, they hurt.

[EDIT] FLAMEstorm cannons, not thunderstorm cannons! My brain got carried away.