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Hows it going everyone, recently i finished reading the first couple Siege of Vraks IA books, because i started playing Death Korps of Krieg a few months ago, I have been inspired to expand my army by reenforcing it with at least one Reaver titan. My dilemma is that i feel i can scratch build a very good quality one on my own for much cheaper then the FW one, I have already collected pictures of scratch built ones that are very high quality that i would follow as a reference
but already having a very expensive army I also feel I should avoid using a scratch built one and buy the FW one and bite the bullet ( about 900$) for the very amazing and sick model!
If i bought one i would then scratch build another since it will be easier to copy off the real model. and if it doesn't come out well it will look good enough to be a amazing looking destroyed marker for my FW Reaver titan after i smashed it up a it!

so I have 2 options
scratch build one? and forget about buying it?
Save up and buy it!!! ( id have it by, at the latest, December)
Whats your opinion on scratch built titans or models in general?
Tony A

Scratch built titans can either be really awesome, or nothing more than a poor looking facsimile of the real deal. it depends on how good your scratch build skills are.

I would personally get the FW titan and than base your scratch build off of it.

Or you could find some scratch build instructions online. I know many people have put their designs with instructions up in various places.

Buy it. Time is money, and by the time you've spent several months building your own titan you've spent enough time/money to buy the kit. And unless you're one of the top 1% best scratchbuilders the real one is going to look much better.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Scratch built titans can either be really awesome, or nothing more than a poor looking facsimile of the real deal. it depends on how good your scratch build skills are.

This, really. An old mate of mine managed to build a really impressive Baneblade from GWs old scratch build instructions (long before they had a model for it) but not everyone can hack it. He's a guy who doesn't have shaky hands in the least... both parents worked as dentists and we all are still envious of his 1980s Space Marine Terminators with the incredible Latin slogans he painted on their lower leg guards. Hello - one had a really long line on there which basically said "it's good and proper to die for the Emperor".

Depends on how confident you are on your skills. When i scratchbuild i refuse to let it be done unless i can sit there and stare at it going "Damn thats cool" like i did with my Wazdakka or Deffbrute conversions (Deffbrute is an orkified Hellbrute btw).

If you believe you can build something epic looking, which shouldbe a bit easier on a large scale such as a titan than a tiny marine or something, then build it. It will not only be cheaper, but it will be yours not something you bought. The sense i feel from fielding my Wazdakka (even though its counting as a warboss) is awesome because i know i BUILT that epic model, not just painted it.

My favorite figure I have is an female tech priestess model I made. I gave her mechadentrites, buzzsaw arm with a drill, creepy face and a flammer on a metal tentacle. I love it because I had an image in mind and actually managed to make it.

That said, when my projects don't come out how I wished, they look like garbage that I've just spent a lot of time and parts on.
So, as the other guy said, depends on your skillz and creativity.

If you are extremely talented and have a lot of time, scratchbuild. If you aren't talented, don't care how it looks and don't mind being judged on poor appearance, scratchbuild. However, if you have the money, I would always buy it. The model is far more detailed than most people think and it's pretty hard to make on your own. The thing takes enough time to paint anyway, building it would literally take months.

True if money is not an issue (which usually is when titans are involved) just buy it since its way easier and unless you are a GOD at scratchbuilding it will look better too because of the fine details.

Just buy one, scratch builds are the second thing I like least about the hobby. I find it insulting when I'm playing 40k and my opponent brings out card board tanks even If they look good.

If you have to ask this question then you probably can't afford a real one and your scratch building skills aren't that great. Think about it, if you had the money you would have already bought one, and if you we're great at scratch building you would have a W.I.P thread going.

Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

 Blacksails wrote:
Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

This. The Warlord isn't bad as a gaming piece (and certainly better than most of the "scratchbuilds" full of D-weapons most people use for titans), but it's still well short of the FW Reaver if your first priority is having an awesome modeling/painting project.

My scratch building skills are good but ive mainly stuck to pork stuff for my little cuz, abs terrain with that said scratch built ork stuff and terrain is allot easier, I do have the money, I've just been spending it on my dkok army, already about 3000 + dollars in, I work at a restruante and save my tips, I just wanted to get a general consensus/opinion to see if people can push me in one direction or the other. Because I Could spend the money on new tires and sounds system for my truck, or more tanks and guardsmen!
Thanks for all feedback fellas
I'm most likely going to buy one or two soon and then to scratch build wrecked versions!



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My scratch building skills are good but ive mainly stuck to pork stuff for my little cuz, abs terrain with that said scratch built ork stuff and terrain is allot easier, I do have the money, I've just been spending it on my dkok army, already about 3000 + dollars in, I work at a restruante and save my tips, I just wanted to get a general consensus/opinion to see if people can push me in one direction or the other. Because I Could spend the money on new tires and sounds system for my truck, or more tanks and guardsmen!
Thanks for all feedback fellas
I'm most likely going to buy one or two soon and then totch build wrecked versions!
What weapons or weapon combination
s would you Guys say with best?

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

The Titan Manafactorum Warlord is really good looking, it's second to the Dave Smith and could possibly surpass it given a good paint job. But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?
There's nothing stopping you from decking out the warlord with flags, making the guns look better, applying textures, giving it horns, a chaos tail, and of course a sick awesome paint job.

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

The Titan Manafactorum Warlord is really good looking, it's second to the Dave Smith and could possibly surpass it given a good paint job. But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?

I'm sorry, but do you sincerely believe the polystyrene warlord titan is in the same league as the resin cast FW Reaver?

I'm not saying the warlord is bad, but come on. The warlord is not as good looking, or anywhere as detailed as the Reaver. Just look at the difference in the weapons. And we're not even mentioning the fully detailed interior of the Reaver.

Sorry, but the warlord is a fine piece for a game if you need something that big (a 20k pts match, perhaps?), but in every single other modelling/detail/quality, the Reaver wins hands down.

Plus, when we're talking about a ~400$ (British Pound) kit, the difference in ~100 isn't that much considering the detail and quality of the FW kit.

ThePrimordial wrote:
But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?

Because it isn't equally good looking. It's way better than most scratchbuilt "titans", but it's well short of the FW Reaver.


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 fullmetaljacket wrote:
What weapons or weapon combination
s would you Guys say with best?

Two laser blasters for the arms, two turbolasers for the carapace weapons. If you have a choice between a D-weapon and something that isn't a D-weapon you always take the D-weapon.

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

The Titan Manafactorum Warlord is really good looking, it's second to the Dave Smith and could possibly surpass it given a good paint job. But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?

I'm sorry, but do you sincerely believe the polystyrene warlord titan is in the same league as the resin cast FW Reaver?

I'm not saying the warlord is bad, but come on. The warlord is not as good looking, or anywhere as detailed as the Reaver. Just look at the difference in the weapons. And we're not even mentioning the fully detailed interior of the Reaver.

Sorry, but the warlord is a fine piece for a game if you need something that big (a 20k pts match, perhaps?), but in every single other modelling/detail/quality, the Reaver wins hands down.

Plus, when we're talking about a ~400$ (British Pound) kit, the difference in ~100 isn't that much considering the detail and quality of the FW kit.

You see there's this thing in America called misquoting where someone takes things out of context by removing half the quote...
Yes I probably should have mentioned I textured mine w/ the looks of the BOLS warlord in mind added Thousand sons flags, the back end of the reactor, ladders, access points, added a point to put the space marines in that the warlord transports & painted it royal blue and metallic gold. It looks better than any Reaver I've seen.

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

The Titan Manafactorum Warlord is really good looking, it's second to the Dave Smith and could possibly surpass it given a good paint job. But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?

I'm sorry, but do you sincerely believe the polystyrene warlord titan is in the same league as the resin cast FW Reaver?

I'm not saying the warlord is bad, but come on. The warlord is not as good looking, or anywhere as detailed as the Reaver. Just look at the difference in the weapons. And we're not even mentioning the fully detailed interior of the Reaver.

Sorry, but the warlord is a fine piece for a game if you need something that big (a 20k pts match, perhaps?), but in every single other modelling/detail/quality, the Reaver wins hands down.

Plus, when we're talking about a ~400$ (British Pound) kit, the difference in ~100 isn't that much considering the detail and quality of the FW kit.

You see there's this thing in America called misquoting where someone takes things out of context by removing half the quote...
Yes I probably should have mentioned I textured mine w/ the looks of the BOLS warlord in mind added Thousand sons flags, the back end of the reactor, ladders, access points, added a point to put the space marines in that the warlord transports & painted it royal blue and metallic gold. It looks better than any Reaver I've seen.

First of all, I didn't misquote you, as I hit quote before you edited your post.

If you have to add detail by throwing on ladders and banners and so on, the kit isn't really detailed, is it? That's my point; the warlord titan kit is not of the same quality or detail as the Reaver kit.

The point of adding more detail personally is kind of moot as well, seeing as you can do the exact same thing to the Reaver. Painting differently doesn't matter either, assuming both have the same paint job.

And I'm also genuinenly curious to see a pic of this titan that looks better than a FW Reaver titan.

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Buy a Warlord Titan from the Titan Manafactorum for $100 cheaper?
Why would you ever consider buying anything from ForgeWorld when stuff like that is out there?

Because he may want a Reaver titan instead of a Warlord, and the FW model is of a significantly higher quality and detail than any counterpart available on the market.

The Titan Manafactorum Warlord is really good looking, it's second to the Dave Smith and could possibly surpass it given a good paint job. But why would anyone want to pay more for a Reaver when a equally good looking Warlord is cheaper?

I'm sorry, but do you sincerely believe the polystyrene warlord titan is in the same league as the resin cast FW Reaver?

I'm not saying the warlord is bad, but come on. The warlord is not as good looking, or anywhere as detailed as the Reaver. Just look at the difference in the weapons. And we're not even mentioning the fully detailed interior of the Reaver.

Sorry, but the warlord is a fine piece for a game if you need something that big (a 20k pts match, perhaps?), but in every single other modelling/detail/quality, the Reaver wins hands down.

Plus, when we're talking about a ~400$ (British Pound) kit, the difference in ~100 isn't that much considering the detail and quality of the FW kit.

You see there's this thing in America called misquoting where someone takes things out of context by removing half the quote...
Yes I probably should have mentioned I textured mine w/ the looks of the BOLS warlord in mind added Thousand sons flags, the back end of the reactor, ladders, access points, added a point to put the space marines in that the warlord transports & painted it royal blue and metallic gold. It looks better than any Reaver I've seen.

First of all, I didn't misquote you, as I hit quote before you edited your post.

If you have to add detail by throwing on ladders and banners and so on, the kit isn't really detailed, is it? That's my point; the warlord titan kit is not of the same quality or detail as the Reaver kit.

The point of adding more detail personally is kind of moot as well, seeing as you can do the exact same thing to the Reaver. Painting differently doesn't matter either, assuming both have the same paint job.

And I'm also genuinenly curious to see a pic of this titan that looks better than a FW Reaver titan.
The texturing I did was completely different process involving adding battle scarring, making more panels etc. To get an idea of what I sculpted on just look up warlord titan on google and you'll find the titan I based a lot of aspects on mine of w/ winter camo. I really only mentioned this because it's easy to sculpt finer details really well than to build a whole model. The Warlord is also a much bigger model "about" twice as tall, 3 times as wide & so on. It's a much bigger model. And when you factor in the cost of arms for the reaver the Warlord really starts to come out on top. And the BOLS Warlord (winter camo) blows FW base reaver out of the water.

If you can afford it, buy it. Scratch builds, no matter the builder or the materials, never look as good as the real thing, unless of course you're a professional model maker

Well I went and took a look at the warlord titan and its a cool model but its not really what im looking for, I like reavers and Warhounds because they still look fairly mobile, leaner and suited for a playable size board,(one you can reach at least the middle) even if it its cheaper, also ive always been a fluffy player and I have a thing for siege of vraks, so its without a doubt i'm going to get a Reaver class.
also if I was looking for more bang for my buck, I would be playing imperial guard and I definitely wouldn't be playing death korps of krieg! Haha
about the Weapons: I thought only 1 carapace weapon was aloud? And I guess D weapons are a no brainer haha


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Well I went and took a look at the warlord titan and its a cool model but its not really what im looking for, I like reavers and Warhounds because they still look fairly mobile, leaner and suited for a playable size board,(one you can reach at least the middle) even if it its cheaper, also ive always been a fluffy player and I have a thing for siege of vraks, so its without a doubt i'm going to get a Reaver class.
also if I was looking for more bang for my buck, I would be playing imperial guard and I definitely wouldn't be playing death korps of krieg! Haha
about the Weapons: I thought only 1 carapace weapon was aloud? And I guess D weapons are a no brainer haha

 fullmetaljacket wrote:
about the Weapons: I thought only 1 carapace weapon was aloud? And I guess D weapons are a no brainer haha

Oops, right, I was thinking Warlord when I wrote that. It's the same for the Reaver though, as many D-weapon shots as you can possibly get. The only problem is you'll have to convert the carapace turbolaser (probably from a Warhound gun) since the FW Reaver only has a model for the apocalypse launcher.

Buy one

Do you want to spend a lot of money?
Do you mind spending a lot of time on one project?
Do you mind using a Titan that isn't the FW Titan model, bearing in mind the fact the FW Titan is likely to look better?

If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then buy one. If not, then build one.

But at the end of the day, it's your money, so the top question is probably the most crucial.

ThePrimordial wrote: Equally good looking Warlord

You know, it really isn't. I saw a FW Reaver Titan last week, and I've just googled this Titan Manufactorum you keep banging on about.

Wow.

The FW Reaver Titan is superior in every possible way. Just google FW Reaver Titan assembly, and look at some pictures of the ankle joints to see how much detail and dedication went into making this model. It also comes with a fully detailed interior, and an incredible FW tech priest.

To the OP, unless you are a god at scratch building, buy the FW one.


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Yeah, The Shadow basically sums it all up.

Also, some advice: look at some of the blogs (especially some of the ones on blogspot) on painting and assembling a Reaver Titan. Read several of them before touching your titan. Re-read them. Look at reference pictures. Paint your titan. Get a good night's sleep. Make sure you know what you want the pose to look like. Pin the joints in your Titan, starting from the bottom. Wander off and do something else for a few days. Get some really strong two part epoxy glue (JB Weld?). Verycarefully glue your Titan together. Essentially, the glue you'll need to use to keep it together is so strong, that one mistake can royally feth up your Titan. I've seen what the results can look like.

-Shrike- wrote:


You know, it really isn't. I saw a FW Reaver Titan last week, and I've just googled this Titan Manufactorum you keep banging on about.

The FW Reaver Titan is superior in every possible way.

I agree with Shrike. That Warlord Titan from the Manufactorum is nice, don't get me wrong. And I also agree with Peregrin that it's much better than many, if not all, of the scratch-built titans I've seen floating around.

But I'd rather have the FW Reaver Titan. That's a sexy, sexy model.

@ the OP:

As someone that's built a Warhound titan from FW, be prepared to do a lot of pinning. Also, dry fit pieces multiple times before you attach them. Start at the bottom and work your way up.

Best of luck! Post questions and/or pictures here when you start your work on it!

Thanks fellas, ill be ordering the FW Reaver titan within the next few weeks. Once i get it ill probably be posting something along the lines of, HELP ME BUILD THIS PLEASE!!!! but thanks for the advice you have already given me!
ill take any I can get!
As for the warlord titan, ill say it again... for me its just too big and i don't like it hahaha

I'd love to get a reaver of some kind, possibly even one of the original armorcast models, but I look at the price tags and just think of all the other cool stuff I could buy with the same cash. Almost $900 for the FW Reaver and 3 non power fist weapons...that could buy a sizable new army of close to 3k points or so...OR it could be close to 9 Baneblade/Shadowsword plastic kits and variants. 1 titan....9 baneblades...the fun you could have with 9 baneblades. Still buying an entirely new army for the cash is what catches me most. Completely new army in one purchase or a reaver titan...tough call.

That said if you want the model and want to spend the cash on it then go for it. It will be a titantic modeling and painting project to tackle, but should provide quite a serious amount of entertainment long before you get to see it in action on a table in a game.

Skriker

hmmm 9 shadow swords..... haha no i just really want one! haha ive never been interested in starting a new army, i just play imperial guard, the most ive chnged is going from cadian to death korps of krieg!
but still have all my cadians that is should get rid of :/
Tony A