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**BattleCapIronblood**

Terminators can apparently do backflips now? When did this happen? D-Cannons shoot bullets?

Has there been any other C.S. Goto nonsense out there?

Or is there a loyal fan base among us here who will like to step up and defend the man?

**TheDraconicLord**

If there is other C.S. Goto stuff out there?!

Oh my brother, prepare to be amazed

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/C.S._Goto --> Warning, lots of bad language there

NSFW

I love this one:

Multilasers and C.S.Goto

The Multilaser is, by and large, unique to the Imperial Guard; sadly this has not stopped the violator of paper and ink known as C.S.Goto from completely disregarding everything remotely resembling canon and cramming them onto absolutely everything due to his raging hardon for the damned things. As of so far, Goto has managed to rape canon in more than a dozen ways using this weapon alone, including giving them to Space Marines, mounting them on Land Raiders, and hooking them onto Carnifexes.

You wish we were kidding about that last one.

**Troike**

He also has an Eldar grav tank (or some sort of Eldar vehicle) being destroyed by children with rocks.

There's also an entire Eldar seer council secretly worshipping Slaanesh.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

**Boniface**

Who is this person and why don't I know more about them?

It sound freaking hilarious.

**Troike**

Boniface wrote:
Who is this person and why don't I know more about them?

It sound freaking hilarious.

He's a Black Library writer who is famous for his poor adherence to canon, leading to the sort of hilarity you see in this thread.

Also, he seemingly has a Razorback turning into a Landraider and back again in one of his books. Granted this one was likely a mistake of writing on his part, but it's funnier to imagine that it was intentional.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Does someone have excerpt with the multilaser toting carnifex? I'm curious.

**Howard A Treesong**

Maybe the person editing the book line should have given more guidance. That's different to a copy editor that just corrects spelling and grammar to the house style, someone has to help the author shape their book to fit some overall plan or consistency. I've read a lot of Dr Who books and the worst ones are those where the editor just wasn't doing their job and the author was allowed to submit a final draft of rubbish. Yes, terrible writing but why wasn't something done to prevent the disaster at the end?

**TheDraconicLord**

Oh man, I just found this gem from our fine Kroothawk

Kroothawk wrote:
Every second Eldar and Dark Eldar is worshipping Slaanesh, including Eldrad and the chair of the Ulthwè farseer council as well as Lelith.
Every Harlequin ends in a (quote!) "pile of mutilated bodies" after seconds of fight with a Space marine, Death Jesters run into close combat.
Eldar Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and succeed.
Children succeed in bringing down a Falcon with sticks.
Necrons and Tyranids bray.

Be aware that every single female Eldar is either raped, tortured or killed in Goto novels, this includes female children. Maximum is 180 pages of torture, before an already injured and helpless female farseer is finally allowed to die, after being tortured by Space Marines, maimed by a Daemon and then maimed by a space shuttle crash landing.

Here's the very old thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/356053.page

**Halfpast_Yellow**

I enjoyed this interview with him, relevant. He seems like an insightful and interesting guy. http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

**ConsecratedIron**

Read the 1D4Chan article yesterday and laughed my ass off. I feel for CS Goto in a way but really, you cant write poorly for an inclusive universe that means alot to so many people.

And I too would like to see the multi laser Carnifex in action.

**Brother SRM**

CS Goto is one of the older 40k memes out there. I doubt anyone's going to come from the woodwork to defend him, since the few books he wrote for BL tended to be ridiculous, awful, and ridiculously awful.

**BattleCapIronblood**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
Oh man, I just found this gem from our fine Kroothawk

Kroothawk wrote:
Every second Eldar and Dark Eldar is worshipping Slaanesh, including Eldrad and the chair of the Ulthwè farseer council as well as Lelith.
Every Harlequin ends in a (quote!) "pile of mutilated bodies" after seconds of fight with a Space marine, Death Jesters run into close combat.
Eldar Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and succeed.
Children succeed in bringing down a Falcon with sticks.
Necrons and Tyranids bray.

Be aware that every single female Eldar is either raped, tortured or killed in Goto novels, this includes female children. Maximum is 180 pages of torture, before an already injured and helpless female farseer is finally allowed to die, after being tortured by Space Marines, maimed by a Daemon and then maimed by a space shuttle crash landing.

Here's the very old thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/356053.page

Oh, Emperor, what book is this?!?

**Lynata**

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I enjoyed this interview with him, relevant. He seems like an insightful and interesting guy. http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

I kind of feel sorry for him as he seems like a nice person. I'd neither defend his ideas or GW's general policy in regards to "canon" (or rather the lack thereof), but I think he's catching an unfair amount of flak as the community is applying a weird amount of focus on him and his works. Maybe it's just because his books touch on more popular subjects, but I don't find his application of artistic license any worse than that in Sandy Mitchell's Cain novels, yet those receive nigh-universal praise. Then again, maybe that's just because most readers aren't even aware of how much Mitchell deviates from pre-established material.

It's also worth pointing out that, in spite of my latent affection for /tg/'s creativity and "neckbeard humour", it and its 1d4chan wiki are even less reliable than the dakka community when it comes to accurately retelling the contents of a source - simply because the articles specifically aim for hyperbole and tongue-in-cheek in order to be funny.
I'd not be surprised if at least half the stuff in that list is exaggerated, if it was actually written at all. For example, I'd really like to read the exact quote about the Multilasers on Carnifexes bit.

**TheDraconicLord**

Lynata wrote:
Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I enjoyed this interview with him, relevant. He seems like an insightful and interesting guy. http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html
I kind of feel sorry for him as he seems like a nice person. I'd neither defend his ideas or GW's general policy in regards to "canon" (or rather the lack thereof), but I think he's catching an unfair amount of flak as the community is applying a weird amount of focus on him and his works. Maybe it's just because his books touch on more popular subjects, but I don't find his application of artistic license any worse than that in Sandy Mitchell's Cain novels, yet those receive nigh-universal praise. Then again, maybe that's just because most readers aren't even aware of how much Mitchell deviates from pre-established material.

It's also worth pointing out that, in spite of my latent affection for /tg/'s creativity and "neckbeard humour", it and its 1d4chan wiki are even less reliable than the dakka community when it comes to accurately retelling the contents of a source - simply because the articles specifically aim for hyperbole and tongue-in-cheek in order to be funny.
I'd not be surprised if at least half the stuff in that list is exaggerated, if it was actually written at all. For example, I'd really like to read the exact quote about the Multilasers on Carnifexes bit.

Tbh, I did a quick search around the googles and I think that one is fake. A pity, I wanted to see that myself.

The gratuitous eldar torture seem to be 100% legit, tho. Here's a shiny review from Dawn of war: Tempest.

As an Eldar fan I was highly offended by this piece of filth. Mr. Goto does no reasearch to ensure that his writing fits with the background of the world. Furthermore, one thing remains the same over every C.S. Goto novel, and that is that the Eldar will be killed in ways humiliating and offensive to fans of the Eldar race.

In C.S. Goto books you can expect any number of things, flying terminators who surf on the back of razorbacks, children who destroy Eldar grav-tanks by shoving rocks in the barrels of their weapons, and an over-abundance of the word 'Bray' (Yes, heehaw, the donkey sound... braying).

On a far more serious note, Goto's work is exceptionally misogynistic, and you can expect in every book to see at least one female character (usually Eldar) be tortured to death, or meet a slow, gruesome and humiliating end, all the while being portrayed as weak and incompetant. Infact in this particular gem, he goes to the trouble of torturing the farseer Taldeer from the game Dawn of War to death over the course of a chapter or two.

If you are looking to find a good Black Library author stay CLEAR of Goto. Try Abnett, McNiel, Thrope or one of the many other authors who writes from an unbiased point of view, and is not as prone to gratuitous butchery of female characters.

Edit: Oh man, Kroothawk

Kroothawk wrote:
Another highlight from Eldar Prophecy. Eldar Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and succeed

And no, 180 pages of torturing and maiming one female Eldar that already enters injured is not normal.
Fat drooling child molesting Slaanesh worshipping Eldar Farseers leading a craftworld is not normal.

Goto has no clue on GW background, doesn't care and just projects every filth and hate he can think of on Eldar, esp. female characters.

Another CS Goto bash thread here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/405037.page

**Furyou Miko**

Ah, yes. C.S. Goto.

Really, I blame GW. Everyone else clocked onto the fact you should never use the GoTo function in C years ago.

**TheDraconicLord**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Ah, yes. C.S. Goto.

Really, I blame GW. Everyone else clocked onto the fact you should never use the GoTo function in C years ago.

That one was too nerd, Miko, even for a forum related to painting toy soldiers

**Psienesis**

I do have to wonder, though...

... what do fans think happen to Eldar captured by the Ordo Xenos?

**TheDraconicLord**

Psienesis wrote:
I do have to wonder, though...

... what do fans think happen to Eldar captured by the Ordo Xenos?

Torture and possible vivissection. But here is FOR SCIENCE!

and info gathering I suppose :p

**Brother SRM**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Ah, yes. C.S. Goto.

Really, I blame GW. Everyone else clocked onto the fact you should never use the GoTo function in C years ago.

I need to take you aside for a moment and commend you on that joke. God damn.

**dementedwombat**

I swear that I read somewhere that said pretty much "if you go back far enough into the mists of time (i.e. pre-3rd edition) then space Marines could be armed with multilasers."

Couldn't tell you where though. I think it was in one of these random threads.

**GorillaWarfare**

dementedwombat wrote:
I swear that I read somewhere that said pretty much "if you go back far enough into the mists of time (i.e. pre-3rd edition) then space Marines could be armed with multilasers."

Couldn't tell you where though. I think it was in one of these random threads.

Very true. I think pretty much anyone could be armed with anything (at least there were far fewer restrictions back then).

Of course, 40k has no canon as I understand it, so C.S. Goto should only be judged by the quality of his writing. Even if 40k had an official canon like some many other universes, who cares? I've never found myself so attached to a cannon of any universe that I get upset when the canon is broken, and I think that has allowed me to enjoy a great many more idea/stories over the years compared to my peers.

**Lynata**

GorillaWarfare wrote:Even if 40k had an official canon like some many other universes, who cares? I've never found myself so attached to a cannon of any universe that I get upset when the canon is broken, and I think that has allowed me to enjoy a great many more idea/stories over the years compared to my peers.

It's really just a matter of perception and expectations, I guess. I like continuity, as it makes the individual pieces come together like parts of a puzzle, creating a greater whole that enables us to move more confidently within the borders established by this procedure. It also makes our own creations appear more valid by having them slide in-between the official material, so to say, and of course it makes discussions about the background somewhat meaningful rather than just a clash of preferences. I perceive Battletech to have a major advantage in this sector, as any book you buy, even the novels, adds more detail to a greater internally consistent whole.

At the same time, I think I've come around to accept that it's much too late for 40k. I'd still prefer its material to be more consistent, and I chafe at the occasionally crass contradictions as, needless to say, they do not meet my expectations. It's kind of like having seen the original Total Recall and then the Hollywood reboot, for example, or the controversy of the original Star Trek vs "JJtrek". Some people like both, but most greatly prefer either one or the other, and loathe the deviation.

**Alpharius**

We really don't need another one of these...