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The Emperor defeated the Void Dragon.
Khaine defeated the Nightbringer.
Slannesh defeated Khaine.
Slannesh defeated Qah, the Old One.
It took Khorne, Slannesh, and Nurgle to defeat Tzeentch when he had the Crystal Staff.
There is still no legit proof that Gork and Mork is stronger than the Chaos Gods.
Void Dragon is stated to be the strongest C'tan.

Judging by these infos in the fluff i would say. this list is pretty accurate, from strongest to weakest with 1 being the strongest and 10 being the weakest.
1. Tzeentch with the Crystal Staff
2. Khorne, Slannesh, Nurgle
3. Khaine
4. Qah
5. Emperor
6. Void Dragon
7. Nightbringer
8. Gork and Mork
9.
10.

I know this isn't all the Gods, these are just the ones with infos showing how powerful/weak they were.

Feel free to make your own list if you don't think this is correct.

How are you ranking 2-4 seperately? Or Qah as weaker than Khaine? And how are Gork and Mork even ranked? If Void Dragon was the strongest C'tan, how does the Emperor defeating Void Dragon result in him being weaker than Khaine, who defeated Nightbringer, a theoretically lesser C'tan?

In short, I think there's quite a bit of logic chain shoring up to be done, and you need more comparisons. Nothing's to say someone wasn't just having a bad day ultimately, and more to the point too many lack any connections to really be ranked in a comparative manner. Not to mention there are other arguments to be made, and nothing to take into account fluff armor.

1. Gork and Mork. This is known.
2. Khorne (currently) tied with the God-Emperor of Mankind (he's fighting all of the Great Four at once, as well as little beeches like Malal and Zuvassin and Necoho and the un-aligned daemons)
3. Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh/Laughing God
4. All the other Eldar Gods.
5. All other Gods.


... the C'Tan don't have a horse in this race, because these are all beings that exist in the Immaterium, where the C'Tan cannot go.

Khaine is above the Emperor I'd guess because using new fluff, the Emperor didn't defeat the Void Dragon, but a powerful shard of it, while Khaine defeated a fully empowered Nightbringer before he got sharded. Although to be fair, neither the emperor, khaine or the nightbringer really should count in this because Khaine got shattered by baby slaanesh and the emperor isn't a god...yet and the nightbringer is a C'tan, not a god. So you'd have to put Khaine before being shattered on the list, otherwise he is very, very low. Also the laughing god would rank above Qah simply for the fact that he hasn't been ripped to pieces by slaanesh, while Qah has.

Nurgle and Khorne both beat up Slaanesh on separate occasions so you can throw that in there.
Khorne did it and stole/shattered Khaine.
Nurgle did it and took Isha away with him.

 Psienesis wrote:
1. Gork and Mork. This is known.
2. Khorne (currently) tied with the God-Emperor of Mankind (he's fighting all of the Great Four at once, as well as little beeches like Malal and Zuvassin and Necoho and the un-aligned daemons)
3. Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh/Laughing God
4. All the other Eldar Gods.
5. All other Gods.


... the C'Tan don't have a horse in this race, because these are all beings that exist in the Immaterium, where the C'Tan cannot go.

The C'tan Nightbringer did fought with Khaine in a epic 1v1 battle where he got his ass handed to him by the Eldar God so we could still compare the power levels. And there is no proof that Gork and Mork are stronger than the Chaos Gods, the orks would believe that but Chaos forces would say they're gods are the strongest. And Chaos Gods are actually shown to do extremely powerful things in the past and present. Gork and Morks gets they're orky asses kicked by Chaos. And the Emperor isn't on par with Chaos, he just fought a Chaos buffed Horus. the Chaos Gods merely gave him a massive buff, if the Emperor fought any one of the Chaos Gods face to face, than he'll get stomped, easily.

Khaine shows up in the material universe all the time, those are the Avatars of War that the Eldar are fond of popping out. The C'tan also got sharded by a bunch of emo-Terminators. I'm not particularly impressed by the star-eaters.

Gork and Mork are established as being so powerful that they cannot be vanquished when faced directly by the gods of any other race.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gork_and_Mork#.UfmStqyRVnU

I would need a page and source that states that Khorne is, in any way, better than Gork and Mork, when we have at least 2 sources outright stating that Gork and Mork ork-handle any god that steps to them.

The God-Emperor is said to be fighting all four of the Chaos Gods while simultaneously holding the Web-Way under the Golden Throne closed.

 Psienesis wrote:
Khaine shows up in the material universe all the time, those are the Avatars of War that the Eldar are fond of popping out. The C'tan also got sharded by a bunch of emo-Terminators. I'm not particularly impressed by the star-eaters.

Gork and Mork are established as being so powerful that they cannot be vanquished when faced directly by the gods of any other race.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gork_and_Mork#.UfmStqyRVnU

I would need a page and source that states that Khorne is, in any way, better than Gork and Mork, when we have at least 2 sources outright stating that Gork and Mork ork-handle any god that steps to them.

The God-Emperor is said to be fighting all four of the Chaos Gods while simultaneously holding the Web-Way under the Golden Throne closed.

During that time it was the actual Khaine himself instead of a avatar. A avatar of Khaine is stronger than a C'tan shard, not a actual full C'tan.

Chaos Gods mops the floor with Gork and Mork, end of story. Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

No way in hell the Emperor would beat the Chaos Gods in a 1 on 1 battle inside the warp. They buffed up Horus cause he was they're strongest mortal champion at the time. If the Emperor was inside the warp, any one of the Chaos Gods would had made him beg for mercy.

No, the Emperor wont, yet. When the emperor dies (probably by Cypher) then he will undoubtedly become a chaos god, with all the power behind him, the only reason he can't keep up with the chaos gods now is because part of his power is anchored in his earthly body on terra.

I'd also agree Gork and Mork aren't that powerful, because all it states is that they are powerful enough not to die when fighting other gods. Not a great achievement. And even if they are more powerful then the likes of Pre-Sharded Khaine and the laughing God, they are much smarter and more ambition, so they are much more likely to win in a fight. In a story about a troll and a hero, even though the troll is stronger, who usually wins?

VampireDeLaVega wrote:


Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

Mork and Gork don't do anything because there is no jack worth fighting for. Why should a mighty ork warboss challenge weedy grots?

The power of warp being is directly affected by the emotions that feed those warp beings. Orks are the most wide spread, most powerful and have the largest population ever know to any race so ork gods must be something truly monsterous.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:


Chaos Gods mops the floor with Gork and Mork, end of story. Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

No way in hell the Emperor would beat the Chaos Gods in a 1 on 1 battle inside the warp. They buffed up Horus cause he was they're strongest mortal champion at the time. If the Emperor was inside the warp, any one of the Chaos Gods would had made him beg for mercy.

For Gork and Mork, "end of story" is not an argument at all. Back it up, or get off it, all you're doing is saying you dislike Gork and Mork but don't have any solid reasoning behind how powerful they are comparatively.


As for the Emperor and Horus, didn't the chaos gods vacate Horus right before he was killed for fear of being destroyed? It's been awhile, so that may be retconned or something I heard but was never part of fluff.

Let's not forget that Gork and Mork are TWO gods by the way, it wouldn't surprise me that they could beat any other god as a team.

But how they'd fare in a one-on-one situation, or against two other gods who are also working as a team, I'd like to see. The codex says that they just laugh off attacks from other gods and can never truly be defeated, FYI.

Also, I'd suggest that everyone checks out Psienesis's link, because it has an actual picture of Gork and Mork wrestling. Looks retro and cool!

Aw, lay off him. It's not easy being a Chaos god. Like it isn't bad enough that Tyranids give them a migraine, Tau and Necrons ignore them and their favorite champion Abaddon's been failing for 10,000 years. Now Gork and Mork are stealing their lunch money too?

 illuknisaa wrote:

VampireDeLaVega wrote:


Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

Mork and Gork don't do anything because there is no jack worth fighting for. Why should a mighty ork warboss challenge weedy grots?

The power of warp being is directly affected by the emotions that feed those warp beings. Orks are the most wide spread, most powerful and have the largest population ever know to any race so ork gods must be something truly monsterous.

Don't let the lies of the Imperium fool you, the Chaos Gods are eternal, they do not need emotions to exist and they do not weaken even if everyone with emotions dies out. It would certainly be boring for them but thats about it.


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a fat guy wrote:
Let's not forget that Gork and Mork are TWO gods by the way, it wouldn't surprise me that they could beat any other god as a team.

But how they'd fare in a one-on-one situation, or against two other gods who are also working as a team, I'd like to see. The codex says that they just laugh off attacks from other gods and can never truly be defeated, FYI.

Also, I'd suggest that everyone checks out Psienesis's link, because it has an actual picture of Gork and Mork wrestling. Looks retro and cool!

True its not really fair since they are always together and i saw the picture just now and...yuck thats disgusting, i can't imagine something like that even beating a Chaos God even if they were given a thousand chances.


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 troa wrote:

VampireDeLaVega wrote:


Chaos Gods mops the floor with Gork and Mork, end of story. Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

No way in hell the Emperor would beat the Chaos Gods in a 1 on 1 battle inside the warp. They buffed up Horus cause he was they're strongest mortal champion at the time. If the Emperor was inside the warp, any one of the Chaos Gods would had made him beg for mercy.

For Gork and Mork, "end of story" is not an argument at all. Back it up, or get off it, all you're doing is saying you dislike Gork and Mork but don't have any solid reasoning behind how powerful they are comparatively.


As for the Emperor and Horus, didn't the chaos gods vacate Horus right before he was killed for fear of being destroyed? It's been awhile, so that may be retconned or something I heard but was never part of fluff.

No way man lol Chaos Gods never ever fears being destroyed cause they can't since they are eternal and also the strongest being in the whole damn universe.

 Psienesis wrote:
1. Gork and Mork. This is known.

It's true because it's 100% impossible for them to lose. If the Orks win a fight, they win. If the Orks die, they die fighting and that doesn't count. And if the Orks do run away, they'll just come back later with a vengeance.

There's more Orks than there are anything else in the galaxy combined. They can't be permanently exterminated, they're too wide spread. You kill them on one planet, they'll just pop up somewhere else to cause troubles over there. And they don't need any shady cultists to bring them to your planet either.

EDIT: Nevermind....

... How in the world are the Ork Gods Gork and Mork at 8? Out of all the other warp entities, their continued survival is assured. Unlike the other warp entities, it is impossible to kill them. It is possible to kill any other warp deity\creature. Just look at the birth of Slaanesh for example.

@Vamp, were does the ork gods getting their buts kicked come from? I haven't read anywhere were this comes up? I think I've read somewhere where the ork gods beat up Khorne. Though it was with Gork causing a distraction and then Mork jumped and clobbered Khornes face. Any way that shows that these two can beat Khorne without him even landing a blow!

The Emperor had to put forth a mighty effort and was wounded in an attempt to defeat a starving shard of the Void Dragon. The same Emperor who with a single blow overpowered all four Chaos Gods and killed Horus.

Therefore, it seems fair to say that I am considerably more powerful than all four Chaos Gods put together.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

VampireDeLaVega wrote:


Gork and Mork don't do jack and the Chaos Gods are the strongest beings in the warp, Gork and Mork are lesser gods that dwells in the warp.

Mork and Gork don't do anything because there is no jack worth fighting for. Why should a mighty ork warboss challenge weedy grots?

The power of warp being is directly affected by the emotions that feed those warp beings. Orks are the most wide spread, most powerful and have the largest population ever know to any race so ork gods must be something truly monsterous.

Don't let the lies of the Imperium fool you, the Chaos Gods are eternal, they do not need emotions to exist and they do not weaken even if everyone with emotions dies out. It would certainly be boring for them but thats about it.

What imperial lies? The Fall of eldar was pretty hard to miss. There are few things to note:

1. Chaos gods are created through emotion (eldar made slaanesh by partying too hard).
2. Gods are not eternal. Apart from 2 eldar gods all the others were killed.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Emperor had to put forth a mighty effort and was wounded in an attempt to defeat a starving shard of the Void Dragon. The same Emperor who with a single blow overpowered all four Chaos Gods and killed Horus.

Therefore, it seems fair to say that I am considerably more powerful than all four Chaos Gods put together.

I didn't know the Void Dragon looked like Thor lol. Fine the VD in full power would be stronger than the Emperor but the Emperor is nowhere as powerful as any of the Chaos Gods. In that epic fight with Horus, the Chaos Gods merely buffed Horus with they're blessings. Horus is a ant compared to the gods of Chaos. He was the gods most powerful champion at that time. Extremely powerful greater daemons is still leagues above the empowered Horus.

You are emphatically and categorically wrong in your depiction of Horus as being merely "buffed" by the Chaos Gods. The Ruinous Powers got the hell out of Dodge (Dodge being Horus) before the Emperor struck him down because the Emperor struck him so thoroughly that he not only killed Horus but utterly annihilated his soul. This is why the Chaos Gods have never returned Horus to life, though other Daemon Princes and favored Champions have been; the Emperor left them absolutely nothing to work with, and they risked the same fate at that moment.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
I didn't know the Void Dragon looked like Thor lol. Fine the VD in full power would be stronger than the Emperor but the Emperor is nowhere as powerful as any of the Chaos Gods. In that epic fight with Horus, the Chaos Gods merely buffed Horus with they're blessings. Horus is a ant compared to the gods of Chaos. He was the gods most powerful champion at that time. Extremely powerful greater daemons is still leagues above the empowered Horus.

So what is the basis for these statements? Do you have a source proving that the Chaos Gods are way more powerful? Ill give you an example of why the Emperor is on-par or even stronger than the 4 Chaos Gods combined:

''For Mankind, the most significant occasion of this type was the rise of the Emperor. During this period, the Chaos Gods tried with all their might to bring about the Master of Mankind's downfall, culminating in their corruption of the Primarchs and the wars of the Horus Heresy.''

Page 8 of the Chaos Deamon Codex. Codexes are widely seen as propaganda for their own race, so why say ''tried with all their might'', this is implying they failed even with their full might, which they did.
The HH series has Deamons calling the Emperor the Anathema and calling upon Horus to help them before Chaos is destroyed by the Emperor. Why would they lie about this? If they really are as strong as you say they wouldnt need help and just snap their fingers.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion, try to back it up with arguments. Else you're just coming over as a total fanboy or a troll, or even worse, both.

1: Gork/Mork - By virtue of the galactic ork population.
2: The Emperor - Functionally immortal, has fought to a standstill the combined chaos gods.
3: Khorne - The oldest of the chaos gods, beat Slaanesh in order to lay claim to Khaine.
4: Nurgle/Tzeentch - Each power negates and is the antithesis of the other's, stagnation vs creation.
5: Laughing God - Perhaps not as powerful as Slaanesh, but more crafty for certain. Was able to avoid, and is able to save certain other Eldar from being consumed by Slaanesh.
6: Slaanesh - Youngest and weakest of the four. Lost in a fight to Khorne, and later lost to Nurgle when Papa N. came to "save" Isha."

I didn't count the C'tan because there's no way for them to ever fight a being of the warp, so it's kind of moot point. YMMV.
I don't count Khaine because he's essentially Khorne's servant, and anyways his avatar was beaten by a Primarch.

Actually, the Void Dragon could survive a fight against the Emperor, who is taking on 4 Chaos Gods at once. And, on top of that, the Void Dragon is the so called 'machine spirit' and as a result of that is Orikan ever got to him 1) Orikan would be elevated to god-like levels of power, as we've seen from the fact he can take over the machine spirit and thus the void dragon, or 2) The Void Dragon would awake, turn all of the titans on humanity, and wipe them off the face of the earth with ease. So, the Void Dragon is the greatest threat, the Emperor was the strongest, but in my opinion the most powerful WAS the Deceiver, who managed to get one of the strongest races in the galaxy to serve him totally, and nearly got away with it if it wasn't for the silent king. That is more than all 4 Chaos Gods put together.

The Void Dragon is not conclusively proven to be the Dragon of Mars. It's a fan-theory, with some suggestive information supporting the theory, but it is in no way canonical. IMO, it's a good theory, and one I personally buy into, but it's not a definite fact in the setting that the Dragon of Mars is, in fact, the Void Dragon C'Tan.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
I didn't know the Void Dragon looked like Thor lol. Fine the VD in full power would be stronger than the Emperor but the Emperor is nowhere as powerful as any of the Chaos Gods. In that epic fight with Horus, the Chaos Gods merely buffed Horus with they're blessings. Horus is a ant compared to the gods of Chaos. He was the gods most powerful champion at that time. Extremely powerful greater daemons is still leagues above the empowered Horus.

So what is the basis for these statements? Do you have a source proving that the Chaos Gods are way more powerful? Ill give you an example of why the Emperor is on-par or even stronger than the 4 Chaos Gods combined:

''For Mankind, the most significant occasion of this type was the rise of the Emperor. During this period, the Chaos Gods tried with all their might to bring about the Master of Mankind's downfall, culminating in their corruption of the Primarchs and the wars of the Horus Heresy.''

Page 8 of the Chaos Deamon Codex. Codexes are widely seen as propaganda for their own race, so why say ''tried with all their might'', this is implying they failed even with their full might, which they did.
The HH series has Deamons calling the Emperor the Anathema and calling upon Horus to help them before Chaos is destroyed by the Emperor. Why would they lie about this? If they really are as strong as you say they wouldnt need help and just snap their fingers.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion, try to back it up with arguments. Else you're just coming over as a total fanboy or a troll, or even worse, both.

Because the Chaos Gods are not in real space so they can't fight the Emperor, do you seriously think the Emperor could beat a Chaos God inside they're own domain within the warp? The Chaos Gods can't enter real space, if they could than the universe would had already ended in chaos. I think you might be the one trolling for even claiming the Emperor could beat the Chaos Gods at full power. I don't think the Emperor could even beat Khaine since hes the most powerful Psyker while Khaine/Chaos are actually the GODS of the warp. And every psyker draws powers from the warp.


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 Psienesis wrote:
The Void Dragon is not conclusively proven to be the Dragon of Mars. It's a fan-theory, with some suggestive information supporting the theory, but it is in no way canonical. IMO, it's a good theory, and one I personally buy into, but it's not a definite fact in the setting that the Dragon of Mars is, in fact, the Void Dragon C'Tan.[/quote

Interesting i also read on a different forum that the dragon on mars has been viewed as a god on thousands of galaxies. I think c'tans were only in this galaxy so it might be something different.

The God-Emperor is in the Immaterium, though. The Ruinous Powers don't need to come to Him, He went to them.

And I've never heard of the Dragon of Mars being known in thousands of galaxies, simply because the 40K setting does not involve itself with extra-galactic matters, except to tell us that the Nids have eaten 12 of them and that the Orks have apparently gone outside the Milky Way and done their thing.

This isn't a good question. This is like asking, "In a fight, would the wind beat the ocean?" or "How do you rank the stamina of the world's mountains?"

You're trying to make the Gods more human and a lot less chaotic than they actually are.

 Psienesis wrote:
The God-Emperor is in the Immaterium, though. The Ruinous Powers don't need to come to Him, He went to them.

And I've never heard of the Dragon of Mars being known in thousands of galaxies, simply because the 40K setting does not involve itself with extra-galactic matters, except to tell us that the Nids have eaten 12 of them and that the Orks have apparently gone outside the Milky Way and done their thing.

"On page 353 of Mechanicum it says ''such a thing had no name; for what use would a being that had brought entire civilisations into existence and then snuffed them out on a whim have of name? It had been abroad in the galaxy for millions of years before humanity had been a breath in the creator's mouth, had drunk the hearts of stars and been worshipped as a god in a thousand galaxies."

Maybe another being like this is out there in the universe causing the Tyranids to run away, something we have never seen before.

That's a BL novel, so I take it as one possible interpretation of the fluff. It's not Codex-supported.

Also, the Void Dragon *has* a name, it's Mag'ladroth.