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So I have always had a unique interest in Eldar, but only for certain models. I have seen quite a few eldar armies that I just do not like the looks of. Wraiths for example I think are not particularly attractive. On the other side I think some of their units are some of the coolest looking in the game, and some have some really cool ideas behind them.

The purpose of this thread is the get an idea on if it would be feasible to make a decent list using only certain models, and avoiding others completely.

The units I would use:
Rangers
Dire Avengers
Striking Scorpions
Warlock/Farseer (on foot)
(Harlequins)

The units I dont like:
Almost any of the wraiths
guardians
banshees
any of the vehicles


So in essence I suppose this would qualify as a footdar list. But would it work and what else should I put to support it? Am I really screwing myself over by not wanting any vehicles or wraiths?
Also, I am a fan of a unified paint scheme throughout an army. Similar to what they did with Iyanden. If I were to focus this army on the striking scorpions would it be completely wrong to paint the entire army green? On second thought I wont do that, my orks take up a lot of my green paint.

This is a list similar to that I would love to run. I think it could work.
In this example, were throwing down 92 models w/9 Exarchs.
Exarchs are amazing 10 point upgrades. Compare them to other champions in books and you will see why. Instead of just 1 extra attack/LD they get a WS, BS, I, A, and Save boost.

1850 Eldar
HQ
SpiritSeer
SpiritSeer

Troops
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch + Dual Cats
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch + Dual Cats
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch + Shimmershield
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch + Shimmershield

Fast Attack
10 Warp Spiders w/Exarch
10 Warp Spiders w/Exarch
10 Swooping Hawks w/Exarch + Night Vision + Hit and Run

Elite
10 Striking Scorpions w/Exarch + Claw + Crushing Blow
10 Striking Scorpions w/Exarch + Claw + Crushing Blow

Fortification
ADL w/Comm Relay

do you think this list would work on a smaller scale? As I woud be thinking something of a 1000 point list to start.

Maybe cutting this force in half to one spirit seer, 2x10 DA's, or maybe 3, one 10man warp spider squad, 1 10man striking scorpions squads?

105: Farseer w/ singing spear

160: 10 Dire Avengers w/ Exarch, power axe and shimmershield
160: 10 Dire Avengers w/ Exarch, power axe and shimmershield
60: 5 Rangers

132: 6 Striking Scorpions w/ Exarch, chainsabres and Crushing Blow
95: 5 Warp Spiders
96: 6 Swooping Hawks
190: 5 Dark Reapers w/ starshot missiles

= 998

by any vehicles do you mean anything that isn't on foot? what about jetbikes/support batteries?

I've run into some trouble in the past with starting armies where I limit myself to only certain units that I like. Its great for a few games, but then you quickly grow bored as there is no future for the army as you have no way of expanding it aside from buying more of what you already have.

Why not instead make a small allied detachment for one of your existing armies. A farseer, 1-2 dire avenger squads, and some scorpions.

This way you can get the eldar out of your system, maintain a somewhat competitive army (depending on what they are allied with), and you aren't stuck trying to take filler units to flesh out an entire 1000 pt army.

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 gossipmeng wrote:
I've run into some trouble in the past with starting armies where I limit myself to only certain units that I like. Its great for a few games, but then you quickly grow bored as there is no future for the army as you have no way of expanding it aside from buying more of what you already have.

Why not instead make a small allied detachment for one of your existing armies. A farseer, 1-2 dire avenger squads, and some scorpions.

This way you can get the eldar out of your system, maintain a somewhat competitive army (depending on what they are allied with), and you aren't stuck trying to take filler units to flesh out an entire 1000 pt army.

This makes a lot more sense. Good call on the ally idea.

So now I am looking at maybe a 500 point army. with farseer, Dire avengers and striking scorpions. Sounds like a plan. Eldar are allies of convenience with Black Templar....but then I would maybe have to limit the psykerness of the eldar HQ. and allying black templars with xenos seems wrong as well..

hmm, maybe when I begin my dark eldar army I will get a small eldar allied attachment. Because my next planned army is actually going to be dark eldar. I love ALL of their models.

I think you're giving scorpions too much credit. As cool as they are, they lost their edge, especially in the shooty shooty 6th edition.

Oh yea, I like the rangers look better anyway. So HQ plus a unit of DA and a unit of rangers. Sounds like a plan.

Have you considered kitbashing anything?

Warp spiders with Dire Avenger torsos and dark eldar legs look very cool imo.

One thing to be concerned about is that without things like fire dragons in your footdar force you are really in trouble when it comes to dealing with vehicles, especially heavy armored vehicles. Even dark reapers don't have the fire power to effectively deal with heavy armor consistently. A land raider will be unstoppable by a force made up solely of dire avengers, striking scorpions and rangers. Even wtih power fists eldar str is just terrible for taking out armor. Even a unit of swopping hawks with haywire grenades would go a long way in helping to give slightly better anti-vehicle capability.

If you really are that limited in your interest with the eldar units then the suggestion of allies is probably your best course. Yeah it feels weird to ally eldar, especially with any kind of psyker, to Black Templars, but the rulebook lets you do it so it isn't illegal or against the rules in anyway. The allies table is clearly not based on fluff, but though what it is really based on is just as much of a mystery.

Skriker

Actually some rangers and dire avengers would be some good back field support for a drop pod/ DS termie BT list

Well Striking Scorpions ahve always been very good. I've routinely replaced any melee needs i had in my lists with them. Flexible deployment ranks high on my list and that they can beat some face is sort of an added bonus but i will give up all those silly easy to kill Harlequin attacks for the deployment options of Scorpions.

I think this is totally doable.

Do not expect rangers to be reliable damage output for things dropping anywhere near them.

deathmagiks wrote:
Do not expect rangers to be reliable damage output for things dropping anywhere near them.

Well I will have the terminator squad back there to back the rangers up. The dual CML termi squad with the marshal. So if something comes in to mess the rangers up, enter powerfist

I can understand that the Vypers(ugh) and the Falcon-chassi is an acquired taste, but... The questions I have to this is:
1. Do you like War Walkers?
2. Do you like the Mig 29-ish Crimson Hunters?

If you don't you're going to have a hard time dealing with air, meaning you're going to have to stick to smaller matches or matches where you know your opponent won't be fielding air, or matches where you know your strategy enough that an aircraft won't be a problem ignoring (i.e. no hellturkeys).

A yes to (1) would mean that you always run 1+ Farseers as possible, trying to maximize your War Walker's to-hit chance against aircrafts. Each Farseer can be guaranteed to be set up to provide re-roll for two squads per turn.

A yes to (2) is ideal. This means that you won't have to worry too much about air, a supporting defense line or fortification will do a stellar job. Your main concerns will instead be that you'll want to deal with anti-air installations on turn 1 or 2 and you'll feel compelled to bring Autarchs.
Crimson Hunters are currently the games best air-supremacy fighters with really decent air-to-ground capability. But they are flimsy as hell. Keep them away from large number of shootas, shurikens or bolters and you really really want to come in on the turn AFTER the enemy aircraft arrive.

P.S. question 3 is of course "how do you feel about Tau allies?", but yeah...

Actually I am fairly indifferent on the walkers and the flyer. The walkers have kind of a cool look to them actually. The crimson hunter would be an interesting idea.

But yea I am looking at maybe adding this eldar force as an ally to a space marine or black templar army. So the stormtalon may also go in to effect here.

I would say that I would lean more towards having war walkers than the crimson hunter.

Striking scorpions are fine. Really. Just make sure you have he exarch with claw. Then the opponent will have to focuses a lot of FIre powerin them, or let the, destroy.

 Icculus wrote:

deathmagiks wrote:
Do not expect rangers to be reliable damage output for things dropping anywhere near them.

Well I will have the terminator squad back there to back the rangers up. The dual CML termi squad with the marshal. So if something comes in to mess the rangers up, enter powerfist

It's ok, only stupid people go for Rangers. People don't know that they cost a measly 60 points. Their shots are really just poking people in the backside but they're always like "ahhh snipers I must kill them before they actually do damage". My Rangers are bad at killing things. Maybe one model per turn.


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Most of the time I let them laze around and take pot-shots until Turn 4 or so where I move them onto an objective.

You will have some serious trouble against demon or tyranid armies and anything that runs helldrakes as Fast Attack or Ally.

IMO you should run at least the aegis gunline with telion or reaper exarch maning it.