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Hey guys this is my first post and I was curious if you guys could give me some help. I play 40k on a regular basis but my opponent has alot more years against me, plays alot more than me and use to play space marines so he knows basically everything I'm gunna do because thats what he would do. We usually play 1750 points and he tends to have four trucks, one battle wagon, nob bikers, ork bikers, 3 squads of boys in the trucks, and burners with his war boss inside the battle wagon he tends to rush up the field wit his trucks, wagon and bikes and I just can't seem to counter that. In my whole army of sm i have:
1 carab Cullen
2 captains
1 librarian terminator
2 squads of 10 sternguard
10 terminators 5assault 5normal
3 squads of marines
10 scouts 5normal 5sniper
1 drop pod
1 predator
1 storm raven
2 land raiders

Any ideas are welcome and I thank you for the help

Many thanks George

Get thunderfire cannons. Watch orkies die. Profit.

When the orks assault you, and they will. If you need to make a moral check, elect to fail it. Get out of cc and back into shooting range. Shoot..shoot..shoot. I learned that the hard way.


Oh and the sternguard, Always use the special ammo. wound on a 2+....

Get a skyshield, fill with land raiders and other fun things. Laugh as there is no way he could ever work out an assault that got his whole unit onto the shield to assault

No room in the inn kind of thing

try to get rid of the KFF first, without that he's not taking many saves so they'll die more rapidly.

And shots that ignore cover are always golden.

You should also mention what weapons you have available, as something as simple as putting Flamers on your tactical squads can make a huge difference.

Also I wouldn't use Carab Culln, because Apothecaries seem to be extremely vulnerable to Ork snipers.

If you can't beat them...join them! Waaaaaaaagh!

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
You should also mention what weapons you have available, as something as simple as putting Flamers on your tactical squads can make a huge difference.

Also I wouldn't use Carab Culln, because Apothecaries seem to be extremely vulnerable to Ork snipers.

We have snipers ?

Lootas yes, snipers not so much...

No special trick to beating Orks.

Use the sternguard to drop the Nob bikers first, than the regular bikers. The BW shouldn't be much of a threat turn 1, so be prepared to get some type of melta on it's side arc. The Str4 explosion should handle enough of the burnas to incapacitate the squad essentially.

The flier seems good here with Cyclone/Assault Cannon.

If you want to get better at the game, I highly suggest you ignore the players who suggest "take X which Orks can never defeat, win by default"

 Ascalam wrote:

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
You should also mention what weapons you have available, as something as simple as putting Flamers on your tactical squads can make a huge difference.

Also I wouldn't use Carab Culln, because Apothecaries seem to be extremely vulnerable to Ork snipers.

We have snipers ?

Lootas yes, snipers not so much...

Ask the Celestial Lions :p

translate: let them come to you. do not move into their range. shoot a lot, Thunderfires can help. avoid assault.

HQ: Vulcan is helpful for beefing up flamers, meltas and TH's, caveat: if you are close enough for this to be useful, you are too close.

Elite: Sternguard in drop pod all around good. Dakka dread (2X TL AC).

Troops: Lots of troops with ML I tend to like the PG rather than flamer, Use the base razorbacks.

Fast Attack: Skimmers 2XHB, Stormtalon, 3Xattack bikes HB

Heavy: Dakka tank: Pred AC and HB sponsons, Vindicator (mixed results: gets too close). Land raider Crusader, Thundercannon(s) - these guys may be best just for the ability to slow the Ork horde down never mind the great ability of templating them to death. Tried Whirlwinds, never were quite as effective except being able to hide from Lootas.

Basically, you need to optimize the shear volume of dice. I find I start using the Sternguard to go kill the Lootas, since those are almost worse than 30man ork blobs.

 Ascalam wrote:

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
You should also mention what weapons you have available, as something as simple as putting Flamers on your tactical squads can make a huge difference.

Also I wouldn't use Carab Culln, because Apothecaries seem to be extremely vulnerable to Ork snipers.

We have snipers ?

Lootas yes, snipers not so much...

I don't think he means snipers with sniper weapons, but precision shots.

your nobs in boy units, every 6 they roll can be assigned to specific targets.
It works for any character and some of our characters are not really obvious.
Meks in loota squads
nobs in boy units,
pain boy in a nob unit

For the record, I'd have thunderfires in a C:SM TAC list. So my suggestion is not tailoring.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
You should also mention what weapons you have available, as something as simple as putting Flamers on your tactical squads can make a huge difference.

Also I wouldn't use Carab Culln, because Apothecaries seem to be extremely vulnerable to Ork snipers.

We have snipers ?

Lootas yes, snipers not so much...

I don't think he means snipers with sniper weapons, but precision shots.

your nobs in boy units, every 6 they roll can be assigned to specific targets.
It works for any character and some of our characters are not really obvious.
Meks in loota squads
nobs in boy units,
pain boy in a nob unit

Fair enough.

I know about precision shots, but precious few ork guns are all that threatening that one guy in a mob being able to pick his target is that much of a big deal

DE characters with blast pistols OTOH..

Whenever I field BA characters with infernus pistols, the precision fire thing never seems to work out.