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Long title, does its job.

I really like the sputniks and some of the zond models. I think I would like to use a TAG, but none of the available TAGs for Nomads speak to me (if szalamandra and lizard are the only nomad tags with models that is). I kind of want to pick up some of these to paint eventually, but the models are too pricey to buy just to paint, I would want to be able to use them. From what I can tell the Sputniks and zonds seem hacker friendly (those with remote) and are regular troops that add to the order total? This *seems* to suggest to me that you *could* build a force around them? All of the Infinity models are pretty awesome, but only a few of them interest me. I like the Interventor enough (and it seems like the stronger/est hacker to choose) and I could take some zeros, those are pretty cool. The sectorials seemed to allow for another AVA on one of the sputniks and maybe some more zonds, but I think the Interventor was missing, possibilities in those? I notice the Salyut zonds seem to add orders, and are fairly cheap, but they give up more points to the enemy if killed due to their baggage?

I guess what I'm asking is: Could I use mostly Sputniks and Zonds of various types to make a feasible list? What units would plug any holes such critters may create? Would it be possible to plug in a TAG too, or are the Sputniks too pricey such that I need to include more lighter infantry to balance them/orders out? The Gecko looks like a good compromise in price yet still being a TAG, but is there no model for it? Has anyone come up with a solution?

Ideally, I would like to craft a force of entirely skittering robots with however many humans/hackers make it work! A bigger robot (TAG i guess) could be cool, but enough of the smaller ones would be fine.

This project is probably months or a year away, but I've got so much Deadzone terrain coming in and it seems to fit the Infinity aesthetic/functionality so well. And deadzone aims to be simple, Infinity seems like a good alternative for more complicated gaming occasionally

Thanks for your consideration

Any Hacker will do. To feild a REM model you need a TAG or a Hacker. You might want a engineer or 2, the drop troops are fun for this. But, remember REMs have some down sides like not going prone and -6 to any dodge, make sure to read up.

Thanks, I'm not desperate to have ONLY robots, they're just my favorite Infinity models so far. Its actually being a bear to balance out lists at the standard points values with just the robots anyway(too many/few points, or too many SWC), so some extras may be welcome, I'll peruse the catalog

There's no model for the Gecko yet.

The two hacking device + options are the Interventor and Custodier. The Interventor is if you want a cheap good HD+ and that's it, no frills or anything. The Custodier comes with a marker and is useful for creating repeater choke points to block movement of anything hackable. In hacker on hacker fights the BTS value is usually more important then the WIP.

A pure REM list is very viable. Points wise Remote pricing is a lower then what you would expect to pay for an equivalent infantry profile. A trade off for their larger size and remote presence rules. The Sputniks are going to be the work horse of the list and the Zonds the support. You can definitely get away with using Zonds as cheap orders (8 pt Transductors!) and I think in many situations an 8 pt gun-less repeater is superior to 9-11 pt LI.

Infiltrators and Multispectral visors (or anti-camo in general) are probably the gaps in remote heavy lists. I would recommend a second hacker and maybe an EVO repeater to take full advantage of the absurd number of repeaters a Nomad REM list brings.

@Kanluwen, thanks, I didn't think so, but still new to the site
@avantgarde, thanks for your thoughts, helps to hear from someone who has a better grasp of the game.

Custodier is 12 more points with 1 less will, but better gear and seems a bit tougher. Now that I take another look at the models, I'm potentially interested in that for sure!

I was wondering if a second hacker would be useful/necessary, sounds like a safe bet. The EVO repeater looked cool, and its part of the Salyut zond box anyway so that's cool.

It sounds like a lot of units tend to sit still and cheer from the sidelines in this game anyway, so if its not going to move, why not take off the gun and save some points right (while also trading in a squishy fleshling for a neat little robot!)?

Cool, food for thought. The custodier is sounding cooler with his extra armor matching the sputniks. Now I just have to wonder if it is worth doing the Bakunin sectorial to open up an extra Lunokhod sputnik, or stay normal and keep the interventor optional as a second hacker...

 avantgarde wrote:
A pure REM list is very viable.

Until your Lieutenant falls Dead or Unconscious, at which point you'll be permanently in Loss of Lieutenant because Remotes can't be nominated as the new LT. :(

 avantgarde wrote:
Points wise Remote pricing is a lower then what you would expect to pay for an equivalent infantry profile. A trade off for their larger size and remote presence rules. The Sputniks are going to be the work horse of the list and the Zonds the support. You can definitely get away with using Zonds as cheap orders (8 pt Transductors!) and I think in many situations an 8 pt gun-less repeater is superior to 9-11 pt LI.

As much as I love my Remotes, a basic 9pt Moderator is going to be more useful more of the time than an 8pt Transductor - if nothing else, it's got a decent gun in the active turn and five times the ability to Dodge in the reactive turn.


Anyway, support troops to look at for a REM-heavy list would be the Clockmaker (the joint best Engineer in the game) and/or a Tomcat Engineer to fix downed Remotes, some Zondbots so that the Clockmaker doesn't have to run around under fire and definitely look at the Reaktion Zond for some more defensive firepower.

Zeros will work well with Remotes as their Mines can help take out cheap warband troops whose template weapons will make a mess of any Remote they get close to.

LoL? That's what your second hacker is for . If you lose the 2nd Lt you probably weren't doing so hot anyways.

I'd rather have the ability to stop HI/TAG pushes into certain areas or lock one down by running into ZoC. Either take the unblockable AROs or spend orders getting around them. I think my local meta helps with this since I see mostly Yu Jing and Pan O armies, very few Ariadna and one lonely Haqq.

I don't trust a Moderator to do anything in the reactive turn, outside of a lucky crit or FtF. Which is not to say I don't use them; if a list has two hackers I'll just lean more toward the repeater.

@ IJW Thanks; I figured I may have to get some squishy humans eventually, if for nothing else but to play around with lists. I haven't gotten thoroughly read though the rules, but would a second hacker be able to take over if the LT died? With so many hack-friendly options, seems good to have a back-up, and if it lessens the LT issues as well...I should clarify, if I took a Revered Custodier and an interventor, for instance.

I had dismissed the engineers since none of my guys have more than one structure point, but now I see if they only take one wound they go "unconscious", so now it sounds like a good idea

Looking through the army maker and the models, I see that I can make extremely similar lists with both panoceana and haqqislam, main differences in my quick look-over being no hacker LTs (that I saw) and not having sputniks (but having fairly heavy TAGs). I still think I prefer the nomad aesthetic though.

avantegarde - I was replying specifically to the bit about 'pure Remote force'. Anyway, we appear to play in drastically different environments, if just because people avoid hackable units if they possibly can when fighting my Nomads.

GrimDork - if you start the turn without a conscious LT you have only Regular Orders*, but it costs two to elect a new LT.

*A bit simplified, but it gets the idea across.

Thanks. Will definitely look into extra humans for support.

 IJW wrote:
avantegarde - I was replying specifically to the bit about 'pure Remote force'.

I know; going mixed REM heavy list is less headache overall compared to a pure REM. I was just arguing for the sake of arguing.