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Can Mordrak use grand strat on himself if he has no Ghosts? It says you may not make Grand master Mordraks unit of Ghost Knights scoring but doesn't mention if he is solo. How is that handled?

I want to drop him and Draigo in the back field and tear things up then send in my Dread Knight.

It can not be used on mordrak, as per the GS rule.

It doesn't say it can't be used on Mordrak just his unit of ghost knights which I have none.


EDIT:
It says if the Ghosts are slain he reverts to a single model unit in his own right. Since there never were ghost knights he is a single model unit not a ghost knight unit.

Mordrak is an upgrade character for the ghost knights.

Mordrak is an HQ. Purchasing him unlocks Ghost Knights which if bought he must be joined to.

That being said, he is an infantry unit without the IC special rule, and is not an Inquistorial Henchmen Warband or a unit of Ghost Knights.

 Happyjew wrote:
Mordrak is an HQ. Purchasing him unlocks Ghost Knights which if bought he must be joined to.

That being said, he is an infantry unit without the IC special rule, and is not an Inquistorial Henchmen Warband or a unit of Ghost Knights.

So what happens when mordrak takes a wound and a Ghost Knight is added to the unit, what it is then?

I would assume they become a unit of ghost knights that have a scoring Mordrak.


EDIT:

Because the check for nominating them is done at the start of the game not at any other time.

Mordrak is not excluded in the GS rule. His unit of Ghost Knights is, as are ICs; but Mordrak is neither of these.

I would class this as an oversight in the rules, but RAW it seems to stand.
I would say the same thing about Crowe's interaction with GS.

Motrdrak, being an upgrade character to the unit of Ghost Knights, is excluded.

When Mordrak is taken on his own, he cannot be an upgrade character for anything. He is his own unit.
If anything, Ghost Knights are upgrades to Mordrak's unit. In GS, the possessive "Mordrak's unit" makes the ghosts the variable and Mordrak the constant.
There used to be a question in the GK FAQ about upgrade characters in Mordrak's unit...but it seems to have disappeared from the most current version and so is no longer applicable....

He is a single model unit, but Ghost knights can appear no matter if you take the extras or not.

Ghost knights are not an upgrade to Mordraks unit, the GK codex explicitly states that Mordrak is an upgrade CHR for the Ghost Knights.

Ok, that's true...now that I read the fluffy page.

So GS cannot be bestowed on Mordrak when you have purchased Ghost Knights. But, as we see with Crowe, GS can make a single-model unit that is not an IC scoring. Why cannot it work with a single-model Mordrak?

Because he is specifically mentioned in Grand Strat rule that you can not make his unit scoring.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Because he is specifically mentioned in Grand Strat rule that you can not make his unit scoring.

This is imprecise. GS says you may not choose, "Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights." If there are no Ghost Knights, then it cannot be a unit of Ghost Knights.
Mordrak has his own unit composition, which is different than the unit composition of the unit called "Ghost Knights."
There is a difference between the unit called Mordrak (which is a single-model unit, and does not include any Ghosts), and the unit called "Ghost Knights" (which always includes Mordrak as an upgrade character).

There is always Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights if Grand Master Mordrak's in there.

No, when Mordrak is there, by himself, there is just Grand Master Mordrak.

Point to the Ghost Knights. You cannot? Then they dont exist

They exist in potentia, they dont actually exist at the time of nomination. So, you are free to do this.

Anything else ignores the written rules.

They exist when he takes a wound and you roll the number you need.

But it does not matter as a scoring chr in a unit of non scoring peeps means nothing apparently.

I believe grand master modrak 'is' part of a unit of 'grand master modraks' ghost knights' even when he is by himself.

That is the name of his unit, whether or not there are any actual ghost knights present or not.

 Neorealist wrote:
I believe grand master modrak 'is' part of a unit of 'grand master modraks' ghost knights' even when he is by himself.

That is the name of his unit, whether or not there are any actual ghost knights present or not.

The actual codex disagrees with that belief.

rigeld2 wrote:The actual codex disagrees with that belief.

Citation needed; a review of the codex does not conflict with my statement above.

What is the name of the 2nd unit on page 82?

rigeld2 wrote:
What is the name of the 2nd unit on page 82?

Those are model names. What is the name of the 'unit' referred to on page 40 and in the FAQ?

Generally the name of the model is synonymous with the unit name is if there is only one model present. In this case however, the unit has been given a different name.

Page 40 says the name of the unit is Grand Master Mordrak.
I'm not sure what you're referring to in the FAQ - searching for Mordrak doesn't mention anything like what you've said.

rigeld2 wrote:
Page 40 says the name of the unit is Grand Master Mordrak.
I'm not sure what you're referring to in the FAQ - searching for Mordrak doesn't mention anything like what you've said.

odd, the version of the FAQ i'm looking at uses this exact phrase: "...Grand Master Mordrak’s unit of Ghost Knights..." when referring to what units can and cannot be effected by his grand strategy ability. perhaps the version you are viewing is out of date?

Not out of date - I just missed that phrase.

And that's not a unit name at all. I'm sorry you think it is, but since the codex refers to it as Ghost Knights on page 40 and 82 that FAQ reference can only be to clarify what Ghost Knights its referring to.

rigeld2 wrote:
Not out of date - I just missed that phrase.

And that's not a unit name at all. I'm sorry you think it is, but since the codex refers to it as Ghost Knights on page 40 and 82 that FAQ reference can only be to clarify what Ghost Knights its referring to.

indeed though it is quite specific that they are Grand Master Modraks' unit explicitly, rather than some generic equivalent. He is a part of the unit of Ghost Knights as an upgrade character if there are other knights purchased, or as a single model unit in his own right if none are present for any reason.

Except the actual codex disagrees with you on the name of the unit. The name of the Unit is "Grand Master Mordrak"

The FAQ simply tells you "which" unit of Ghost Knights cannot be afffected; it does not create a new unit called "Grand Master Mordraks Unit of Ghost Knights", as that isnt how possesives work.