Female nudity, tasteful and otherwise

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**bossfearless**

What are the forum's rules on nudity, specifically what is sculpted and/or painted on models and also what is freehand painted on banners, tank hulls and the like?

An upcoming project log is going to feature a lot of gratuitous female nudity (TGG Jailbirds Regiment) and I need to know if I can post it here. The nudity in question ranges from tasteful cheesecake/pinup art to "That's pretty hot" to "Oh my god please tell me he didn't..." I thought I'd ask, rather than have my whole thread deleted after I put a lot of work into writing out the posts.

**reds8n**

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If in doubt, then don't.

**fuusa**

I honestly don't know, but having to ask in the first place, probably indicates that you almost inevitably will run into opposition.

Perhaps you should ask yourself if you should take this army into an environment with women and children? Because that's what you would be doing here.
Is there a way of directly asking mods???

Personally I wouldn't object to it, but then I wouldn't put a poster on a wall in female/children's company of my desktop background. Ahem.

**bossfearless**

I've never had a well adjusted, grown up human being complain about my work. The reason I'm specifically asking is that I see plenty of topless and nude female models out there, as well as nude freehand work on banners and such, and I've seen more than a few on this site. The difference I think is going to be the concentration of them in a single project log. I shouldn't even have to ask this question, but to give you an example of another post I had someone comment on a decked out land raider saying "You should get rid of the dumb naked lady and make a picture of land raider killing orks instead".

**thenoobbomb**

Add a [NSFW] tag on the title of your thread.

**Ouze**

Unfortunately I think this is one of those areas where you're asking for an absolutely answer where none is possible to give. What exactly is the difference between nudity and obscenity? The answer always boils down to, "I know it when I see it".

Was Nakatan's "imminent eldar rape" image removed from the gallery? I think it was but I'm not sure. If so, then I'd say that is just outside the envelope of permissiveness. I personally would have not removed it since it was beautifully done and stirred a ton of discussion, i.e. was an effective piece of art; but that's a whole other discussion and not salient to this discussion.

In any event, NSFW tags and see where it goes. I could be wrong but I think you could PM Kid Kyoto and ask, yes?

**Alfndrate**

Ouze wrote:
Unfortunately I think this is one of those areas where you're asking for an absolutely answer where none is possible to give. What exactly is the difference between nudity and obscenity? The answer always boils down to, "I know it when I see it".

Was Nakatan's "imminent eldar rape" image removed from the gallery? I think it was but I'm not sure. If so, then I'd say that is just outside the envelope of permissiveness. I personally would have not removed it since it was beautifully done and stirred a ton of discussion, i.e. was an effective piece of art; but that's a whole other discussion and not salient to this discussion.

In any event, NSFW tags and see where it goes. I could be wrong but I think you could PM Kid Kyoto and ask, yes?

Nakatan's eldar scene is still in the gallery I believe.

**daedalus**

What about that absolutely horrifying "wet nurse" that was up quite some time ago?

I think that was the first miniature that has disturbed me to the point that actual art has.

**DemetriDominov**

You're posting from Saudi Arabia. If they'll let you do it, I think Dakka would be fine with it.

**bossfearless**

Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

**daedalus**

I can only speak for myself, but your ideas have intrigued me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

**Avatar 720**

bossfearless wrote:
Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

I'm fairly confident in saying that modelled sex is a few levels up from modelled boobs, and that it won't be allowed.

**d-usa**

It might be okay to post it and you might now run into any trouble for weeks. But then somebody pushes the yellow triangle of friendship and you might get a warning.

Obscenity if subjective.

**Sigvatr**

Spoiler the images and add a NSFW warning in front of it so that easily offended people aren't offended and mature people can look at dem boobiez.

**liquidjoshi**

Sigvatr wrote:
Spoiler the images and add a NSFW warning in front of it so that easily offended people aren't offended and mature people can look at dem boobiez.

This is probably the best way to go about it.

**d-usa**

But the NSFW tags are not an excuse to circumvent the rules.

And "it's not my fault they clicked on the spoiler tag" is not going to help if somebody clicks the triangle of friendship.

I just don't want the OP to end up getting a warning because he followed the advice in here and get his thread deleted.

Unfortionately this falls into the "I know it is wrong when I see it" level of things and we can't really give any better advice than that.

Op won't get in trouble for anything he posts, until he does.

**Sigvatr**

I really don't see how someone who opened a spoiler that clearly said "NSFW, bare boobs" or sth. and then reporting the spoiler because he saw bare boobies can be taken seriously.

**Avatar 720**

Except this is no longer about boobs, as of this post:

bossfearless wrote:
Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

There is a point where wrapping something in spoiler and NSFW tags simply cannot be used as an excuse, and modelling sex on a forum populated by minors crosses that point by a long way.

**d-usa**

Sigvatr wrote:
I really don't see how someone who opened a spoiler that clearly said "NSFW, bare boobs" or sth. and then reporting the spoiler because he saw bare boobies can be taken seriously.

Because the rules are "don't post x" and not "don't post x unless it is in spoiler tags and labeled NSFW".

It's like saying "no offense, but..." and then thinking you are excused from being offensive.

**Cheesecat**

Avatar 720 wrote:
Except this is no longer about boobs, as of this post:

bossfearless wrote:
Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

There is a point where wrapping something in spoiler and NSFW tags simply cannot be used as an excuse, and modelling sex on a forum populated by minors crosses that point by a long way.

Yet boobs and penises doesn't?

**Avatar 720**

Cheesecat wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:
Except this is no longer about boobs, as of this post:

bossfearless wrote:
Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

There is a point where wrapping something in spoiler and NSFW tags simply cannot be used as an excuse, and modelling sex on a forum populated by minors crosses that point by a long way.

Yet boobs and penises doesn't?

I never said they don't cross the line, only that modelling sex crosses it by such a degree that simply wrapping it in tags is really not going to cut it. Would I be allowed to make a thread in OT about my favourite porn videos so long as I say it's NSFW and wrap the video in tags? Because if the general consensus to wrapping modelled graphic scenes of sex in tags is okay, then I don't see how that wouldn't create precedent enough for my porn video thread, as apparently sex isn't graphic enough to warrant anything more than [NSFW].

**Alfndrate**

Cheesecat wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:
Except this is no longer about boobs, as of this post:

bossfearless wrote:
Well, any sex I model is going to be consensual, so I guess that's a point in my favor. There are a lot of two-girl artillery crews, and that gives some fun modelling opportunities involving repurposed household appliances and ludicrous acts of contortionism.

There is a point where wrapping something in spoiler and NSFW tags simply cannot be used as an excuse, and modelling sex on a forum populated by minors crosses that point by a long way.

Yet boobs and penises doesn't?

It's the difference between hardcore and softcore pornography. One features the idea that the secks will happen, the other features that the secks is happening. It's like Bill Clinton's deposition. "There is no improper relationship" vs. "There was no improper relationship."

And most of the time people that model bare boobs get a stiff(hehe) warning about their actions. Brother Vinni's N&R thread has NSFW tags in the title because he continually would post and people would be like, "whoah boobies, dude you should tag this NSFW so we know wtf we can expect to see." There is/was a thread in the P&M Section where the user was making mosaic picture basesfor his Dark Eldar army. These mosaics were generally of hot ladies in leather and with chains, whips, ball gags, etc... He was warned several times because of the NSFW nature of the images. The guy didn't even have sex going on in his images and he got warned.

If you want a decent warning of what may or may not be acceptable, let me point you to this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/333948.page

That is the thread by Nakatan, who's 'Alien Contact' got a huge amount of flak because it depicted the potentiality of sex (consensual or otherwise). If you're going to be having artillery scenes where the ladies are too busy looking for heresy in all the wrong places, or prodding things with power "tools" (more like implements really) then I think that CMON might be more of a place for your work than Dakka.

**Ratius**

Graphic or otherwise inappropriate images (and even links to such images) will be removed on sight.

Very valid Red and just playing devils advocate here but what counts as graphic? What level of subjectivism is applied/should be applied?
To the OP, if you feel your work is worth showing off, tag the thread as others ahve said but post *perhaps* your most graphic piece.
If its removed, you've lost maybe 30 seconds of an upload, rather tahn posting a huge thread and having it deleted.

I dunno, Im on the fence on this one tbh.

**liquidjoshi**

Best bet is probably "If in doubt, leave it out" then. Sex is definitely going to get you in trouble.

**Casey's Law**

Deal with this logically.

The rules are subjective. The MODs inforce the rules. Ergo, the MODs will decide whether you have breached the rules or not.

You don't know what they will decide. You do know that they are a cross section of trusted Dakkanauts. Ergo, you can make an educated guess at their group decision.

As it stands, you are the only one with the images in question at your disposal, even if they're still ideas, so you are the only one who can estimate the response. If you cannot estimate the quality and artistic merit of your idea then it is likely because there is very little in which case you will probably breach the rules.

What I can't say is, 'breast are fine, sex is not'.
What I would expect from Dakka is, 'art is fine,' because there is nothing wrong with sex or flesh if there is merit to your reason for depiction.

Aside from that you have to consider that children have access to Dakka. There is nothing wrong with exposing children to artistic and tasteful depictions of sex, violence, death or whatever as long as they are being educated appropriately. The line that must be drawn is that certain depictions, even artistic ones, could disturb a child who is not yet mature enough to process what they are seeing. As Dakka has no age limit, that I'm aware of, then anything hosted here must sway on the side of caution without taking away something important from the community. The 'Eldar Rape' scene mentioned by other posters is a piece I personally think is wonderful and thought provoking. It requires a level of maturity that younger users may not have but it would be a travesty to remove it from the rest of us and would spit in the face of the artist. In these circumstances the responsibility falls on the parent or guardian to educate the children in their care and guide/monitor their access to such material.

I hope you find that a useful guide.

**carlos13th**

If you are that worried send a copy of some of the images to the mods before uploading. That way they can give a thumbs up or down.

**fishy bob**

Just sayin...

**Avatar 720**

Instead of posting it here for more people to see, would it not have been better to PM a mod or Legoburner about it?

**thenoobbomb**

Google knows what you want..

**Cheesecat**

thenoobbomb wrote:

Google knows what you want..

Who wouldn't want that.