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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:22:52
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Executing Exarch
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YOKOHAMA, Japan (AP) -- Japan on Tuesday unveiled its biggest warship since World War II, a huge flat-top destroyer that has raised eyebrows in China and elsewhere because it bears a strong resemblance to a conventional aircraft carrier.
The ship, which has a flight deck that is nearly 250 meters (820 feet) long, is designed to carry up to 14 helicopters. Japanese officials say it will be used in national defense - particularly in anti-submarine warfare and border-area surveillance missions - and to bolster the nation's ability to transport personnel and supplies in response to large-scale natural disasters, like the devastating earthquake and tsunami in 2011.
Though the ship - dubbed "Izumo" - has been in the works since 2009, its unveiling comes as Japan and China are locked in a dispute over several small islands located between southern Japan and Taiwan. For months, ships from both countries have been conducting patrols around the isles, called the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyutai in China.
The tensions over the islands, along with China's heavy spending on defense and military modernization, have heightened calls in Japan for beefed-up naval and air forces. China recently began operating an aircraft carrier that it refurbished after purchasing from Russia, and is reportedly moving forward with the construction of another that is domestically built.
Japan, China and Taiwan all claim the islands.
Though technically a destroyer, some experts believe the new Japanese ship could potentially be used in the future to launch fighter jets or other aircraft that have the ability to take off vertically. That would be a departure for Japan, which has one of the best equipped and best trained naval forces in the Pacific but which has not sought to build aircraft carriers of its own because of constitutional restrictions that limit its military forces to a defensive role.
Japan says it has no plans to use the ship in that manner.
The Izumo does not have catapults for launching fighters, nor does it have a "ski-jump" ramp on its flight deck for fixed-wing aircraft launches.
I think there is a good chance Shinzo Abe continues to beef up Japan's military and pushes for an amendment to their constitution. I mean, how are they going to justify the unveiling of Jaegers and/or Gundams with their current pacifist requirements? Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, this site has decent pictures that AP did not: http://news.sky.com/story/1125173/japan-unveils-largest-warship-since-wwii. An aircraft carrier it is not. Is it a sign that Japan could build one if they wanted to? Probably.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:31:03
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Interesting, to the uninitiated (myself) it could totally launch a plane from it... Seems like a lot of open space for something that doesn't have mechanical birds of some sort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:31:33
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Is China really afraid of a Helicopter Carrier?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:32:24
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Er, I thought that flying the Rising Sun Flag was a no-no? Or was that never so?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:33:54
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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If you listen really carefully, you can hear the ghost of Bull Halsey ordering the wings to launch....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:36:13
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Lint wrote:Er, I thought that flying the Rising Sun Flag was a no-no? Or was that never so?
It was re-introduced to the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense force sometime in the 1950s. It is still taboo, and maybe even offensive, in some countries like South Korea and China, but it was never officially banned.
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How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:39:03
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Having trouble imagining any sort of fixed wing fighter (with the exception of an F-35B or a Harrier) taking off from that thing without catapults, its pretty damned tiny.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:40:48
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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At best I could see a VTOL aircraft like a Harrier flying off it, but Japan has none of them and I am not sure where they are on the JSF project . Other than that it is just a helo carrier disguised as a frigate. China will say Japan is acting in a destabilizing way with launching this ship or they will say nothing as they have a real carrier and more on the way. My two cents at least.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:52:33
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:56:49
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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How much space does your average fighter jet need to be able to take off? I'd have thought ~250 metres would have been adequate. What i know about fighter jets though equates to exactly dick. So no doubt immeasurably off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 14:59:21
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Aye, looks like an anphib to me. Could pass for one of our LHC type things (the aircraft carrier's little brother). Sure as heck not a "destroyer" unless that flight deck is actually full of break away covers over missile pods racks or something. Didn't see any sign of catapults...I wonder if you could launch a UAV off it. Might we be seeing a prototype for the world's first dedicated "drone carrier" I wonder? Probably not, helicopters or VTOL are still the most likely idea. But why do they want it? Japan and N Korea have been getting mad at each other a lot lately. Gearing up for war? Amphibious assault ship? Interesting. Rising sun flag, fits the theme. Japan tired of getting walked on? Could be destabilizing influence. No worse than what Korea has already been doing. looking forward to seeing the outcome. Sorry guys, stream of consciousness got going there, was getting my Mordin on (Mass Effect 2. Guy reminds me a lot of myself actually.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 15:15:50
Subject: Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Carriers are so 20th century.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 15:22:06
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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It doesn't even transform into a giant roboto?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 15:28:25
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Actually we have no proof it doesn't transform. Thats clearly why its a little weird. Its clearly a small SDF I protoype, complete with baby reflex cannon. Take that NK!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 15:30:51
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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Snrub wrote:How much space does your average fighter jet need to be able to take off? I'd have thought ~250 metres would have been adequate. What i know about fighter jets though equates to exactly dick. So no doubt immeasurably off.
Well, assuming its a fighter jet loaded with fuel and ammunition, a hell of a lot more than 250 meters, even with a full afterburner takeoff... When I was at Langley AFB the F-22s needed 1500 feet of runway, I've heard F-18s need 2500ft, an F-35B could do it on 500 IIRC (for a rolling takeoff), but the conventional variants will be measured in thousands of feet... and thats for unarmed /unladen aircraft.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 16:34:46
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft. They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard. Now we have nothing. (for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 16:41:01
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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notprop wrote:The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft.
They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard.
Now we have nothing.
(for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.?
O.o (can't find the article now  )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:07:07
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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whembly wrote: notprop wrote:The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft. They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard. Now we have nothing. (for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.? O.o (can't find the article now  ) AFAIK There are currently two Queen Elizabeth class carriers in production that are comparable to the Nimitz class carriers the US uses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:09:19
Subject: Re:Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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purplefood wrote: whembly wrote: notprop wrote:The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft.
They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard.
Now we have nothing.
(for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.?
O.o (can't find the article now  )
AFAIK There are currently two Queen Elizabeth class carriers in production that are comparable to the Nimitz class carriers the US uses.
Why?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:09:38
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The Conquerer
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Could this thing be able to launch Drones?
This is just my impression, but Drones wouldn't need as much space to take off as a normal plane. That could make this type of warship pretty versatile.
Launch jump jets and helicopters as well as drones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:12:21
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Frazzled wrote: purplefood wrote: whembly wrote: notprop wrote:The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft.
They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard.
Now we have nothing.
(for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.?
O.o (can't find the article now  )
AFAIK There are currently two Queen Elizabeth class carriers in production that are comparable to the Nimitz class carriers the US uses.
Why?
IIRC it's just part of the Royal Navy's upgrade cycle...
Though most people have questioned whether we need an aircraft carrier or not.
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:18:31
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Air superiority has been the way to win battles/wars so having something easily converted could be the way to go.
I still expect hidden hatches to open and massive missile swarms to fire from it.
I think that may be the idea: to fully cover what they really have underneath. Should check to see how much stuff is also under the waterline: a submarine carrier!
The Japanese just think of too many cool things than to "just" make it a small helicopter carrier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:31:43
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Can a helicopter fire cruise missiles? If so, might be a good idea for a ship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:42:24
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purplefood wrote: Frazzled wrote: purplefood wrote: whembly wrote: notprop wrote:The Invincible Class British AC was similar in size and scope. The Jap one needs moar ramp if it wants fixed wing aircraft.
They could have save themselves the effort and bought this off of us for £2M a few years ago before it went to the knackers yard.
Now we have nothing.
(for a little while anyway - no one let Kaiser Bill know or were for it!)
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.?
O.o (can't find the article now  )
AFAIK There are currently two Queen Elizabeth class carriers in production that are comparable to the Nimitz class carriers the US uses.
Why?
IIRC it's just part of the Royal Navy's upgrade cycle...
Though most people have questioned whether we need an aircraft carrier or not.
As long as the US is there to protect the seas...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 17:52:39
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The Conquerer
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Frazzled wrote:Can a helicopter fire cruise missiles? If so, might be a good idea for a ship.
Sure, although I don't know of any that are outfitted to do that.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 18:11:11
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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purplefood wrote:
I thought the UK were starting a program to build several aircraft carriers... ala what the States have.?
O.o (can't find the article now  )
AFAIK There are currently two Queen Elizabeth class carriers in production that are comparable to the Nimitz class carriers the US uses.
Thanks... good for them!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 18:18:44
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Less boats, more long range missiles and missile defense systems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 22:08:32
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With no cats and no (vastly inferior) ski jump, you're not getting conventional air off of it. No wires for recovery, either. If it's for anything other than helos or true VTOLs, they're doing it massively wrong.
It's a cute lil' 14 helo boat. It's not exactly power projection.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 22:14:34
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Executing Exarch
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If I remember correctly, the two carriers are part of the SDSR with the intention of transitioning the Royal Navy from a regional, North Atlantic, USSR containment vessel to a true, blue water navy. I for one welcome the change, and see it as a positive step for a European ally to shoulder part of the defense load with the US.
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How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
Warhammer 40K:
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 22:21:29
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Seaward wrote:With no cats and no (vastly inferior) ski jump, you're not getting conventional air off of it. No wires for recovery, either. If it's for anything other than helos or true VTOLs, they're doing it massively wrong.
It's a cute lil' 14 helo boat. It's not exactly power projection.
Depends what the helos are carrying...
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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