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Hey guys,

I plan on taking her to a tournament and I would like to know if you guys think that I can change choosing which lore/lores before each different round of the tournament or do I need to specify 1 light, 2 life, and 1 high magic for the whole tournament? I am leaning towards the first since I think its like teclis who I think can pick new spells each game. Would love to hear your opinion.

Dan

Lore decisions are, generally speaking, list building decisions.

Few tourneys I have seen allow lists to change between games.

See page 134 of the main rules, bottom left.

When in doubt, always contact the TO. They will give you the proper answer.

I'm not a tourney guy but I've mostly seen them listed like equipment. Cuz otherwise as the list gets smaller you can go, "LOL FIRE as TK comes up."

Just a quick heads-up: double-check with your TO if SC are allowed. In most tournaments, SC are banned.

I don't have the HE army book at hand, but unless her rules explicitely allow her to pick spells before the game (like the old Teclis), you must pick 1 Lore of Magic while building a list and are not allowed to change said pick during the tournament.

You do not need to declare during list creation what she will use. Per her rules:

"Declare how many spells she will use from each lore before spells are generated" p.59

I see no mention of having to choose a specific lore during list creation, which is typically listed in all books in a manner such as:

Mages are Wizards who use spells from the Lore of High Magic, or one of the...blah blah blah.

You get the idea. Her entry states no "or" only "and", further indicating she is more like a grey seer in terms of who she picks and chooses spells from her choices.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just a quick heads-up: double-check with your TO if SC are allowed. In most tournaments, SC are banned.

I don't have the HE army book at hand, but unless her rules explicitely allow her to pick spells before the game (like the old Teclis), you must pick 1 Lore of Magic while building a list and are not allowed to change said pick during the tournament.

The OP's home flag is of the USA, and tournaments without special character restrictions are actually quite common here, especially on the East Coast.

I would second what others have said: contact the tournament organizer and find out how he'll adjudicate well before you go. I usually don't advocate trying to lobby with the TO in these cases if he takes a differing view to yours; you don't wanna risk getting on his bad side before the tournament even starts, and people are people.

Just knowing how he views the issue should provide you with all you need to know to adequately prepare for the tournament, whether that means practicing against a variety of opponents with a fixed selection or maybe so far as choosing to not even take that character.

BRB, p.162. Unless specified otherwise, you have to determine which lore you're using during list creation - will have a look at the rules when I'm home

Her specific rules DO state otherwise, however - she has specific permission to choose Lores before generating spells, which is well after list creation

Are SCs still usually banned in Germany? In the UK it is very uncommon to ban SCs - specific SCs, like the old Teclis, used to be regularly banned, but not since erly 7th have I seen many tournaments ban SCs outright.

The rule in question:

Warhammer Armies - High Elves, page 59 wrote:MAGIC: Alarielle the Radiant is a Level 4 Wizard who uses spells from the Lore of Life, the Lore of Light and the Lore of High Magic (see page 62). She can generate all of her spells from the same lore, or from two or more of the above lores in any combination. Declare how many spells she will use from each lore before spells are generated.

Looks like she has the 3 lores standard, and can generate spells from those 3.

Thanks for posting the rule Cryonicleech!

Seems pretty clear to me then - before each match, you can choose how many spells you take from each lore and may change this in every match afterwards. The only thing you have to declare during list creation is which lores you're going to lose and she can't choose this anyway.

Agreed.

Partially misreading the question and partially misreading the rule on my part.

^^

nosferatu1001 wrote:


Are SCs still usually banned in Germany? In the UK it is very uncommon to ban SCs - specific SCs, like the old Teclis, used to be regularly banned, but not since erly 7th have I seen many tournaments ban SCs outright.

Most bigger tournaments use ETC restrictions that ban all SC.

Yeah, you have to choose what Lore you're using before the game starts. It's no different with Allarielle, except for the fact she can, effectively, choose more than one Lore. You still have to write down your choices in your list though. So you'd specify "1 High Magic, 2 Life Magic, 1 Light Magic" for example.

No, you don't. Allarielle "chooses" the three lores High Magic, Light Magic and Life Magic. Those three lores appear at your army list.

The rule excplicitely states that she picks her spells when rolling for spells which happens in the game as it refers to her "generating" her spells from each lore.

 The Shadow wrote:
Yeah, you have to choose what Lore you're using before the game starts. It's no different with Allarielle, except for the fact she can, effectively, choose more than one Lore. You still have to write down your choices in your list though. So you'd specify "1 High Magic, 2 Life Magic, 1 Light Magic" for example.

Wrong, as you are onlyu required to choose your Lore, NOT the spells you pick.

Her rules, which are perfectly in line with WHFB basic rules, are that she has these three lores, same as another wizard has chosen one. So you pick those three, and are free each game to - just before spell generation - determine how many spells from each she will pick.

Sig - still cant believe ETC bans all SCs. There arent really any broken ones out there - even Dr Anvil isnt as silly as he used to be.

nosferatu1001 wrote:


Sig - still cant believe ETC bans all SCs. There arent really any broken ones out there - even Dr Anvil isnt as silly as he used to be.

I agree with you on this one, nos. Most SC are vastly overpriced for what they do (Looking at you, Skarsnik!) and would rather weaken a list rather than enforcing it. There are very few SC that are undercosted, but those could be banned individually. A global ban on SC seems odd to me.

Yep, hence why the UK, as a vast majority (e.g. SCGT, our own Tides, etc) seems to have woken up to this

Wonder why ETC are so behind. Odd hatred of SCs still existing in other countries?

I wouldn't say they are behind, after all, keep in mind that each participating team has the right (and obligation) to vote for changes or comment on them and suggest changes to...changes and the current rulings were agreed on with a vast majority. Might be that they're cautios about making changes to long-established rules.

But yeah, most SC are fine or even bad nowadays. Problematic ones are very few, such as Squeek who is vastly undercosted, and maybe the Everqueen, but alas, not going to comment on her before the first comp results are in

I meant "behind" as in - banning SCs globally was the prevailing attitude probably 5 years ago, early (ish) 7th - UK has changed markedly since then, with either a total allowance, or a comp where only specific SCs are banned. Maybe the attitude just hasnt changed in a number of EU countries.

How do you say Squeek is so undercosted?