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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 14:30:34
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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So I have played two games with my shokk attack gun and both games i rolled :five: :five: which results in a zoink! The zoink puts the big mek in base contact with the enemy unit. The rule says to treat it as an assault. After reading this to my opponents they decided, well it's an assault so I get overwatch. I figured that made sense. With the riptide, this meant I was slaughtered because of the units he was next to and supporting overwatch. The space marines also caused some problems with it, taking away one of his wounds.
I was going through the FAQ and it says that "they are immediately locked in combat." Wouldn't this mean that they cannot overwatch because units locked in combat can't perform an overwatch?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/08/07 14:31:33
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 14:31:46
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No overwatcvh, as you are locked in combat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 14:32:45
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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I even had the faq with me during these games! That may have changed the Tau game results.
Another question. If I Zoink in to a terrain cover, am I treated as having charged through difficult terrain? That was what the space marine player argued and made me attack at I1
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/08/07 14:33:33
DR:80+S++G++MB--IPw40k12#+D++++A++/fWD013R++T(T)DM+
"War is the greatest act of worship, and I perform it gladly for my Lord.... Praise Be"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 18:35:04
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Scuttling Genestealer
Auburn WA USA
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The Big Mek didn't 'charge' (nor did it 'declare a charge'), so no, the Difficult Terrain Initiative modifier doesn't trigger. This also applies to other 'charge-based' abilities as well (such as Furious Charge, certain Grenades, etc.).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 18:49:43
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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even if he did charge... i bet it would be out of range considering it's a Shock attack gun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 19:41:51
Subject: Re:Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Not that it will come into play MOST of the time... but as you said, it might have impacted the Tau game... I don't think your Big Mek would be subject to Overwatch. Afterall, he just appears out of the Warp on top of the target!
But the Shokk Attack Gun rule states that you immediately place the Big Mek in base contact with the target.
Overwatch happens after assaults are declared and before charge distance is rolled. The Shokk Attack gun mishap effectively bypasses that step of assault entirely... to the point where the Assault doesn't even happen DURING the assault phase.
Since the target is immediately locked in combat, it should be clear that the target doesn't get a chance to fire Overwatch. The more interesting question with Tau would be whether or not other Tau units can contribute Supporting Fire. However, I don't think they do, since again, the step in Assaults when Overwatch would occur effectively doesn't happen.
As triplare said, the "treat as if he'd initiated assault" can be used to trigger other abilities such as Furious Charge, Counter-Attack, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/08 05:19:09
Subject: Re:Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Murrdox wrote:Overwatch happens after assaults are declared and before charge distance is rolled. The Shokk Attack gun mishap effectively bypasses that step of assault entirely... to the point where the Assault doesn't even happen DURING the assault phase.
This is the crux of it. The very definite split of the Assault phase into its sub-phases means that Overwatch simply isn't possible - that sub-phase is entirely skipped by the Mek not having to charge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/08 06:38:48
Subject: Big Mek "Zoink" and overwatch
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
Dis filfy git wantz ta know?
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No overwatch cus you are locked into combat.
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