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Ok so I did a quick search and couldn't find anything so...

The DA techmarine entry says "for each HQ choice in your army" you can take one (this excludes command squads and other techmarines).

Does this mean I can take one for every allied HQ?

It may or may not be as intended, but my take is answered with a simple question;

Is your Allied HQ in "your army"? (yes)

That's what I thought, but i just wondered if I'd missed something somewhere

Edit: Removed double post

Also note that Servitors are a HQ choice so they unlock Tech Marines too. Meaning by RaW you can have an infinite number of Techmarines in a single FOC. One of the many reasons why blindly following RAW is dumb...

 FlingitNow wrote:
Also note that Servitors are a HQ choice so they unlock Tech Marines too. Meaning by RaW you can have an infinite number of Techmarines in a single FOC. One of the many reasons why blindly following RAW is dumb...

Incorrect. Servitors can be taken with each techmarine and do not take an FOC slot (therefore they are not HQ choices).

 FlingitNow wrote:
One of the many reasons why blindly following RAW is dumb...

Haven't you been asked to stop saying this?

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
One of the many reasons why blindly following RAW is dumb...

Haven't you been asked to stop saying this?

Why, if he is right?

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
One of the many reasons why blindly following RAW is dumb...

Haven't you been asked to stop saying this?

Why, if he is right?

I'm just saying cos he got a mod warning in another thread for saying similar things and I'd rather not open that can of worms again

And "right" is a subjective term in this instance.

Incorrect. Servitors can be taken with each techmarine and do not take an FOC slot (therefore they are not HQ choices).

Still a HQ choice whether or not they take up a slot. Note the wording on Command Squads which also don't take a slot, but still are HQ choices and hence need to rule out unlocking other Command choices...

 FlingitNow wrote:

Incorrect. Servitors can be taken with each techmarine and do not take an FOC slot (therefore they are not HQ choices).

Still a HQ choice whether or not they take up a slot. Note the wording on Command Squads which also don't take a slot, but still are HQ choices and hence need to rule out unlocking other Command choices...

Alright, let's assume you are correct for the sake of argument. The "Unlimited Techmarines" argument still falls flat due to the FOC.

You can have (assuming you are not playing a double FOC, 2000+ point game) at most;

2 HQ choices (primary detachment)
1 HQ Choice (allied detachment).

I choose an HQ from my allied detachment. This unlocks Techmarines for my DA army. I choose a techmarine and servitors (an HQ choice according to you) which unlocks another Techmarine. As I now have 2 techmarines in my primary detachment, which means I have 2 HQ slots filled I cannot take any more Techmarines.

2 =/= unlimited, nor overpowering. Following RAW in this case is far from absurd.

They are HQ choices that don't take up slots so under that scenario you have not filled your mandatory HQ slot yet. They are HQ choices but they don't fill slots that is what the rules tell us. Same as Servitors or Command Squads.

I never said anything about overpower. I just said it was dumb.

Haha that's some funny RAW there I don't think anyone would play it that way though.

Rorschach9 wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

Incorrect. Servitors can be taken with each techmarine and do not take an FOC slot (therefore they are not HQ choices).

Still a HQ choice whether or not they take up a slot. Note the wording on Command Squads which also don't take a slot, but still are HQ choices and hence need to rule out unlocking other Command choices...

Alright, let's assume you are correct for the sake of argument. The "Unlimited Techmarines" argument still falls flat due to the FOC.

You can have (assuming you are not playing a double FOC, 2000+ point game) at most;

2 HQ choices (primary detachment)
1 HQ Choice (allied detachment).

I choose an HQ from my allied detachment. This unlocks Techmarines for my DA army. I choose a techmarine and servitors (an HQ choice according to you) which unlocks another Techmarine. As I now have 2 techmarines in my primary detachment, which means I have 2 HQ slots filled I cannot take any more Techmarines.

2 =/= unlimited, nor overpowering. Following RAW in this case is far from absurd.

Techmarines don't take up a FOC slot.

Locrian wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

Incorrect. Servitors can be taken with each techmarine and do not take an FOC slot (therefore they are not HQ choices).

Still a HQ choice whether or not they take up a slot. Note the wording on Command Squads which also don't take a slot, but still are HQ choices and hence need to rule out unlocking other Command choices...

Alright, let's assume you are correct for the sake of argument. The "Unlimited Techmarines" argument still falls flat due to the FOC.

You can have (assuming you are not playing a double FOC, 2000+ point game) at most;

2 HQ choices (primary detachment)
1 HQ Choice (allied detachment).

I choose an HQ from my allied detachment. This unlocks Techmarines for my DA army. I choose a techmarine and servitors (an HQ choice according to you) which unlocks another Techmarine. As I now have 2 techmarines in my primary detachment, which means I have 2 HQ slots filled I cannot take any more Techmarines.

2 =/= unlimited, nor overpowering. Following RAW in this case is far from absurd.

Techmarines don't take up a FOC slot.

So I see (I have the C: SM codex myself, not the newest DA Codex).

I still don't believe that unlocking or taking a unit that does not use a FOC slot unlocks more of the same.

So you're commenting without having read any of the rules in question. Whilst I whole heatedly agree with you from a Rules perspective from RaW in this case the Servitors unlock a Techmarine and vise versa to allow infinite or either in a single FOC.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Whilst I whole heatedly agree with you from a Rules perspective from RaW in this case the Servitors unlock a Techmarine and vise versa to allow infinite or either in a single FOC.

Please stop stating that the RAW aren't "the rules".

And if servitors don't "take up a Force Organisation slot", then are they an HQ? Because if they aren't on the chart, they aren't anything, surely?

Tactical_Genius wrote:
And if servitors don't "take up a Force Organisation slot", then are they an HQ? Because if they aren't on the chart, they aren't anything, surely?

They are still HQ, else why would they need to say (not including other Techmarines or Command Squads of any type), Command Squads don't use up Force Org slots, yet they are HQ units. They are listed under "HQ", which would lead me to suspect they are HQ units...

Ok just speculating here, but all of the command squads and the tech say they don't "use up" A force organisation slot, whereas servitors say "take up".

I wonder if there is a reason for this distinction?

why would they need to say (not including other Techmarines or Command Squads of any type)

It wouldn't be the first time redundant rules were printed. (Not that I think they are redundant, I'm only speculating).

Either way, this probably needs an FAQ. Even without one, I don't think anyone wouldn't house-rule this to say servitors don't count.

The reason a Techmarine or their servitors count as HQ is mainly for scoring.purposes. It was simpler than having to type out non-scoring unit. However, for the TFG lawyers, it means infinite incursions of techmarines for a pointless argument.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
The reason a Techmarine or their servitors count as HQ is mainly for scoring.purposes.

They could have been Elites. And they still score in planetstrike etc.

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
The reason a Techmarine or their servitors count as HQ is mainly for scoring.purposes.

They could have been Elites. And they still score in planetstrike etc.

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

Citation needed.

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Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

Citation needed.

Easy. Techmarines are LD 8, every other HQ option is higher.

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Whilst I whole heatedly agree with you from a Rules perspective from RaW in this case the Servitors unlock a Techmarine and vise versa to allow infinite or either in a single FOC.

Please stop stating that the RAW aren't "the rules".

And if servitors don't "take up a Force Organisation slot", then are they an HQ? Because if they aren't on the chart, they aren't anything, surely?

Why shouldn't I say RaW=/= RaI? I'm not wanting to get into that argument again. But don't tell me to not state demonstrably true facts.

They don't take up a slot is admittedly very poorly phrased, and does not really tell us what it means. However we know Techmarines/Servitors are HQ choices the Codex Lists them as such and nothing tells us they are not HQ choices. Therefore they must be HQ choices regardless of whether they take up slots or not.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
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Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

Citation needed.

Easy. Techmarines are LD 8, every other HQ option is higher.

I meant for the fact that they'd never be scoring, which is demonstrably false (planetstrike).


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 FlingitNow wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Whilst I whole heatedly agree with you from a Rules perspective from RaW in this case the Servitors unlock a Techmarine and vise versa to allow infinite or either in a single FOC.

Please stop stating that the RAW aren't "the rules".

And if servitors don't "take up a Force Organisation slot", then are they an HQ? Because if they aren't on the chart, they aren't anything, surely?

Why shouldn't I say RaW=/= RaI? I'm not wanting to get into that argument again. But don't tell me to not state demonstrably true facts.

They don't take up a slot is admittedly very poorly phrased, and does not really tell us what it means. However we know Techmarines/Servitors are HQ choices the Codex Lists them as such and nothing tells us they are not HQ choices. Therefore they must be HQ choices regardless of whether they take up slots or not.

Except you didn't say "RaI" you said "Rules". Please earmark your posts.
And I agree it's very poorly phrased, and I would argue that that phrase is intended to mean they don't count. I think this is like the LoS without eyes thingy - I don't think anybody wouldn't house rule this.
If someone tried to pull this in a game, I'd probably pack up.

Yes I see it as a silly over sight and I would not ever play it that way. But the whole DA command squads RAW is a bit of a mess, Techmarines can't take command squads but on a bike he unlocks a Ravenwing Command. Whilst a normal HQ in terminator armour/on a bike can have 2 command squads (normal 1 + DW/RW one). Most of these things are not competitive options so aren't really seen (I personally see all the above as incorrect RaI), the big exception is a Techmarine unlocking cheaper Black Knights that don't take up a FA slot and give them a 2+ save tank at the front to help with Helldrakes...


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Yes I see it as a silly over sight and I would not ever play it that way. But the whole DA command squads RAW is a bit of a mess, Techmarines can't take command squads but on a bike he unlocks a Ravenwing Command. Whilst a normal HQ in terminator armour/on a bike can have 2 command squads (normal 1 + DW/RW one). Most of these things are not competitive options so aren't really seen (I personally see all the above as incorrect RaI), the big exception is a Techmarine unlocking cheaper Black Knights that don't take up a FA slot and give them a 2+ save tank at the front to help with Helldrakes...

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
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Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

Citation needed.

Easy. Techmarines are LD 8, every other HQ option is higher.

I meant for the fact that they'd never be scoring, which is demonstrably false (planetstrike).

If you are going.to.pull expansions out, why not say that Apocalypse allows you to use anything you want? In Kill Teams, the techmarine is illegal, so there!

Think of it this way:

1. you may not buy extra techmarines for each techmarine. servitors are an upgrade purchase to a techmarine. therefore servitors do not unlock more techmarines.

2. how.many techmarines do you think you can field anyway? or is this yet another OMGWTFGWISSOOOOPSTUPID thread?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
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Tactical_Genius wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But they're not. They are HQ upgrades. And since the techmarine will never be a warlord, his unit will never be scoring.

Citation needed.

Easy. Techmarines are LD 8, every other HQ option is higher.

I meant for the fact that they'd never be scoring, which is demonstrably false (planetstrike).

If you are going.to.pull expansions out, why not say that Apocalypse allows you to use anything you want? In Kill Teams, the techmarine is illegal, so there!

Think of it this way:

1. you may not buy extra techmarines for each techmarine. servitors are an upgrade purchase to a techmarine. therefore servitors do not unlock more techmarines.

2. how.many techmarines do you think you can field anyway? or is this yet another OMGWTFGWISSOOOOPSTUPID thread?

I was merely saying that it is wrong to say they never score, because they can, and that they aren't HQ to get out of saying "they don't score", because Elites would cover that.

And:
1) Citation needed.

2) I don't understand. Please re-iterate?