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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/18 22:01:31
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
Connah's Quay, North Wales
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xruslanx wrote:id appreciate the op saying where he lives rather than other posters chipping in and assuming he lives in the sticks. I also think that refusing to leave a store when the employee asks you too, then deciding that the best way of dealing with that is by making a public post on the store's facebook, definitely is not mature. That honestly sounds like the actions of a 10 year old, 14 year olds should know better.
Now we can ask, why were his parents okay with him spending his entire day in a commercial establishment, when they (presumably) know how sporadic the busses
are? How could a responsable parent think its okay for him to do that, knowing that he'll have to walk the streets until the evening time if he gets kicked out? With an entire army's worth of models no less.
Then when we factor in that he showed no interest in ordering the case, something the store clerk would have definitely offered, and he looks like a kid who bought his models online, pirates the pdf and insists on being able to play in a gw simply by pretending to want to buy something that's out of stock.
Sorry, I've been away with family for the weekend so I couldn't check up on the thread. After checking up on it this post really stuck to me, how is this a fair representation of Me, Yourself or Dakka as a whole? First off, why does where I live matter, I mean at all. If it matters, as I said, I live in a small town in north wales, there are in fact 4 buses but the first one is to early and the fourth one is to late. But I don't really see how this is of relevance to my problem honestly. On the leaving straight away, you must for give me, for the fact he asked me to leave in the first place left me incredulous. I was a regular customer who has been into the store for years, and in my opinion was doing nothing wrong (This also happens to be the opinion of some other people in this thread. Of course, based on my one sided story) so my first reaction was to ask what I did wrong. He said I was doing nothing, which I disputed, leading to a conversation (argument? No one really raised there voice and no face value insults where said) until he ended it with take it up with the manager, I said gladly and left.
When I posted on the Facebook page, please read what I wrote IN said post before making judgements and implying I was 'But-Hurt' and immature. I did not directly complain on facebook, if you where to bother reading, but I instead asked which staff where working on which days (I had the intension to simply avoid him) and when the manager replied to ask why, I said a staff member was rude to me and I wished to talk to him. No details, no rants, no obvious bias (Unlike you, only in my humble opinion, of course). My GW has never, at least to me and my family, been advertised as a 'commercial establishment' but as a hobby store where I could pursue my hobby through either painting, gaming or collecting. IMHO List building (I'm not counting the gaming, because some people may dispute if I could play without a rule book, even if I was sharing one) falls firmly under the latter category. On the bus thing, I don't personally believe that the degree of parenting my parents provide (Very high if any one cares...Or my mother finds this post ^^) has any relevance to my problem really and the fact you are questioning them with only anecdotal evidence (Although, I guess I'm being hypocritical. I am asking for your opinion about my problem only using the same evidence) I find rather naïve.
On the fact that I shown no interest in Ordering a case, once again you have made a critical error of note reading ALL my posts before making (An apparently comprehensive) judge of my character. The staff member did NOT offer to order one for me (I'm guessing because someone said I doesn't count towards personal sales), but instead tried to make me spend my money on other things (No, don't tell me my army NEEDS your new wraithknight to function competitively). Where the idea that I bought my models online came from I have no idea, why would you, or indeed your imaginary store clerk, think this? The Pirating PDF's is simply wrong, as I have stated earlier that I brought my OWN codex for list building, what possible use would I have for PDF's when all my units are accounted for in my codex? I would think I would be able to play in GW simply because I am part of the hobby, and it was advertised to me as a Hobby centre and place to partake in this hobby. I am simply bewildered by the amount of people who will look at the other side of the argument (This is fine, gives people perspective and It really helped my understand the stores Law) on the sole evidence that I didn't show *His* side of the story (Sorry, those few people, I am not telepathic) so they believe they can 'Fill in the blanks' with there own version.
Once again thanks for the support, i will post again when i have an answer for you all. Until then i see very little reason to continue polluting Dakka with certain unnecessary and biased (Of coruse, in my own opinion) posts from a very select group of posters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/18 22:15:37
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Civil War Re-enactor
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THEIR own version. Learn to fething type
Great post, man. Very well done.
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Shotgun wrote:I don't think I will ever understand the mentality of people that feel the need to record and post their butthurt on the interwebs. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 01:32:10
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Well, the only thing I have to say about this thread at this point is that the OP has presented his case in a far more mature manner than the majority of the people criticizing him. And yes, I'm including the grammatical issues in that assertion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 03:17:50
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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It is always nice seeing the white knights on their high horses....
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
Yep - chasing away customers, and potential customers, is always a good idea!
This is great news!
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 03:25:20
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them.
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 03:41:44
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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TheAuldGrump wrote:It is always nice seeing the white knights on their high horses....
The Auld Grump
Makes it easier to place them on my database.
However there are those people who, can express their viewpoints in a logical manner (yes there are a few white knights that I will listen there side of the story) gets more attention (from me at least) than others.
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Adam's Motto: Paint, Create, Play, but above all, have fun. -and for something silly below-
"We are the Ultramodrines, And We Shall Fear No Trolls. bear this USR with pride".
Also, how does one apply to be a member of the Ultramodrines? Are harsh trials involved, ones that would test my faith as a wargamer and resolve as a geek?
You must recite every rule of Dakka Dakka. BACKWARDS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 03:43:41
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Quit whining because you were asked not to loiter. Remember why any store exists: making money. It isn't a library or a lounge.
I've had experience with you and I have an honest question: Why are you such an argumentative ass? Seriously be nicer, damn.
In the end here the manager is in the wrong because he could have added something to the army and bought a wraithknight or whatever big ticket item.
The FLGS is indeed a place to hang out, GW stores aren't of the same kin though.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 04:03:30
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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ThePrimordial wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Quit whining because you were asked not to loiter. Remember why any store exists: making money. It isn't a library or a lounge.
I've had experience with you and I have an honest question: Why are you such an argumentative ass? Seriously be nicer, damn.
In the end here the manager is in the wrong because he could have added something to the army and bought a wraithknight or whatever big ticket item.
The FLGS is indeed a place to hang out, GW stores aren't of the same kin though.
Again, it was not the manager of the store in question.
I looked at Games Workshop Chester's Facebook page. They have a guy named "Danny" from GW Liverpool there filling in until the manager gets back on Thursday.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 04:25:00
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Posts with Authority
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Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them.
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
And given that he even stated that the employee involved was not the usual person....
I am more than willing to accept a random teenager's word that a temp employee would be as rude an ass as I could desire.
Or that some folks on this forum would defend a GW store if the employee beat a customer over the head, took his money, and stuffed a bag full of dry brush colours into his grubby hands.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 05:11:09
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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TheAuldGrump wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them.
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
And given that he even stated that the employee involved was not the usual person....
I am more than willing to accept a random teenager's word that a temp employee would be as rude an ass as I could desire.
So where are the complaints from GW Liverpool customers? If this "Danny" is a regular employee there--he must behave very similarly, so where are the complaints?
Or that some folks on this forum would defend a GW store if the employee beat a customer over the head, took his money, and stuffed a bag full of dry brush colours into his grubby hands.
The Auld Grump
Why is it that people can post nonsense like this and "not have an agenda"?
Heavens forbid someone actually post a defense of the shop or ask that people consider the circumstances of the event beyond the account of one party.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 08:39:22
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Solofalcon in particular isn't posting a defence, it's needlessly aggressive and inflammatory from the start. I'm of the mind that as we only have one side of the story it's hard to objective, but his contributions to this thread in particular have been predictably worthless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 08:52:50
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Agile Revenant Titan
In the Casualty section of a Blood Bowl dugout
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Kanluwen wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them. Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
And given that he even stated that the employee involved was not the usual person.... I am more than willing to accept a random teenager's word that a temp employee would be as rude an ass as I could desire.
So where are the complaints from GW Liverpool customers? If this "Danny" is a regular employee there--he must behave very similarly, so where are the complaints? Not necessarily. He could be behaving like that because he's at a new store where he doesn't know the people who visit it and won't ever see them again. So all he cares about would be making money during his short stay, and not making friends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 10:38:32
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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The Shadow wrote: Kanluwen wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them.
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
And given that he even stated that the employee involved was not the usual person....
I am more than willing to accept a random teenager's word that a temp employee would be as rude an ass as I could desire.
So where are the complaints from GW Liverpool customers? If this "Danny" is a regular employee there--he must behave very similarly, so where are the complaints?
Not necessarily. He could be behaving like that because he's at a new store where he doesn't know the people who visit it and won't ever see them again. So all he cares about would be making money during his short stay, and not making friends.
SHOP STAFF IN MAKING MONEY FOCUS SHOCKER
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 11:37:04
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Airborne Infiltrating Tomcat
Deepest, Darkest, Dorset
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There are definitely two sides to this
For me the easy answer would have been to order the case in and pay for it.......and say you'll collect it next week, then then couldn't whine at you for not buying anything.
You shouldn't require a rulebook to play if you have your army and codex. One per table is enough. If you are a regular customer (and don't cause any trouble) they should not have asked you to leave and it is worth complaining about.
If you regularly play there you have an expectation to be able to continue to do that and it is unfair for a staff member to kick you out without cause.
As you are only 14 it's unlikely you'll have a lot of places to play as many clubs don't want kids there as they can be "difficult" and most older players want to leave the kids at home and enjoy a couple of games.
However on the other side of things, they don't have to let you play in there at all - EVER, it's their choice. If it got to the point where they were threating to call the police you must have been a total numpti.
The more problems that GW have the more restrictions they will place on in store gaming. They don't seem to want players in stores anymore. In that case they should just get on and say it, create a couple of gaming evenings for gaming and the rest is just shop time. That would solve a lot of issues/rumors that seem to be surfacing
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How do you expect me to know what it is if you haven't painted it! Unpainted models are just proxies for the real thing |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 11:51:24
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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SoulDrinker wrote:If it got to the point where they were threating to call the police you must have been a total numpti.
It's just as likely that this is one of those staff that gets off on having power over children and behaves like a tool because they can, I've met enough of them in my time in the UK chain.
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Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:13:01
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Stalwart Space Marine
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Baragash wrote: SoulDrinker wrote:If it got to the point where they were threating to call the police you must have been a total numpti.
It's just as likely that this is one of those staff that gets off on having power over children and behaves like a tool because they can, I've met enough of them in my time in the UK chain.
Well, to me it looks like the staff was within his legal rights to behave like he did, but as an adult he should have presented himself a bit less flappable in front of a minor; threatening to call the police in such a situation seems to me pretty ridiculous and overblown.
On the other hand I'd like to know what the OP meant by "[...] and I got, understandably, agitated." - agitated in what way? From the way Alex has presented himself in this thread, I would assume he wasn't actually bratty or obnoxious, but all in all this rather seems to be a "one word led to another" situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:21:03
Subject: Re:Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, because there's no way that a teenager would ever be rude and disrespectful towards an authority figure who they feel has wronged them.
Any teenager? Of course. This teenager? I'm more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.
Me, I'd complain to the manager, and unless a pretty danged impressive apology was given then I would never spend another dime in his store. And I would let my friends know, and suggest that they go elsewhere. Hopefully enough customers are driven away that the store closes.
The shop in question seems to have no reports of any problems with that employee aside from Alex's--at least to the point where someone has felt it big enough to post it on a forum.
There were loads, but then they closed that Facebook page and reopened a new account. This is of course, a fiction, but no stronger argument than "I can't see anything, therefore it does not exist."
ThePrimordial wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Quit whining because you were asked not to loiter. Remember why any store exists: making money. It isn't a library or a lounge.
I've had experience with you and I have an honest question: Why are you such an argumentative ass? Seriously be nicer, damn.
In the end here the manager is in the wrong because he could have added something to the army and bought a wraithknight or whatever big ticket item.
The FLGS is indeed a place to hang out, GW stores aren't of the same kin though.
Howard A Treesong wrote:Solofalcon in particular isn't posting a defence, it's needlessly aggressive and inflammatory from the start. I'm of the mind that as we only have one side of the story it's hard to objective, but his contributions to this thread in particular have been predictably worthless.
Agreed, its getting to the point that, being charitable, I'm thinking Dakka must be some sort of vent because of ongoing real life issues, or being less charitable, the account is one of the most sophisticated trolling exercises in the history of the Internet.
Perhaps we could have an intervention?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:43:26
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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ThePrimordial wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Quit whining because you were asked not to loiter. Remember why any store exists: making money. It isn't a library or a lounge.
I've had experience with you and I have an honest question: Why are you such an argumentative ass? Seriously be nicer, damn.
In the end here the manager is in the wrong because he could have added something to the army and bought a wraithknight or whatever big ticket item.
The FLGS is indeed a place to hang out, GW stores aren't of the same kin though.
I'm argumentative when people are obviously acting foolish and asinine. This kid is complaining because he was asked to leave a store he was loitering in. When people think that a game store entitles them to lounge around and get indignant when asked to pateonize the business or leave, it is ridiculous. The OP was whining because he was asked to leave and then was arguing with the employee. I work retail, and we have asked people to leave who are just loitering in the store, its well within a store's rights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:52:48
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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ALEXisAWESOME wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Quit whining because you were asked not to loiter. Remember why any store exists: making money. It isn't a library or a lounge.
Loitering? I think you may have me confused with the stereotypical teen here, as this is a really unfair comment. This is a store I regularly visit and spend lots of money at, am I not thinking I would be afforded just a little respect? Your store may be 'Just a store' but when the manager is around, it becomes more of a community. Everyone is nice to everyone and everyone shares tips on how to play/paint the hobby we are all into. When did gamesworkshop decide to kill of the community it has been developing for decades, because it obviously hasn't succeeded other non of us would be here (well, you Warmachine people can stay  ). The problem is there are no other hobby stores around that I know of, and no other GW's within easy reach. So that store IS my warhammer life, if that becomes somewhere that I cannot play the game, then the game will end for me altogether.
Edit @ Curran, I wasn't browsing their rule book, I was looking through my own codex which I had room for in my case, and the main rule book we used belonged to my opponent/friend. Also thanks for the comment on my posting, I try to type up everything on Word first before I post. I have quite bad dyslexia (Why would they spell it like that? Why is there a Y???  ) so I like to use word to check my spellings and such.
Its not a club, its a store. They had no duty to allow you to stay for any reason. Its your problem if you have no place to go.
On the positive, Ilike your chutzpah in using different buses etc. Thats unheard of in Texas. Of course, here you have to fight off Comanche attacks at the station, to its best to bring your Winchester.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:52:57
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I work retail, and we have asked people to leave who are just loitering in the store, its well within a store's rights.
So, you work retail?
It is indeed a fact that there are some incompetent staff, usually those in menial positions, at retail outlets who believe that customers are an impediment to their job.
If you plan to make a success of retail, you should work on your manners, and you should also observe company policies - such as that of GW, who say they welcome gamers. You should also develop an eye for detail, which in this case involves reading what the OP actually said.
Oh, and I bought my first house working retail in the vacations when I was a student. I liked customers, for with all their faults, they are after all just like me or you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 13:55:14
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Kanluwen wrote: RiTides wrote:Again, the key difference is that the shop was okay with him staying if he bought a bottle of paint.
And?
If he "bought a bottle of paint", he's a paying customer and not someone just hanging around.
That's a different policy than not allowing minors to stay in the store at all. And given that the OP had come specifically to purchase something and then play a game, it's really not how you are making it out, Kan.
I'm reading it.
I also do not really believe that the exchange went as he put, since as we have seen who knows how many times, there is always more to the story.
This is a day of days. Frazzled and Kanluwen agree on all points.
I will add-get a job you little Hippy! Your parents didn't have you to lay around playing games. You've got to earn!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:05:35
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Just because you patronize a store doesn't entitle you to waste space. I have heard the line "do you know how much money I spend here?!?" as a bartender often enough to know that no customer is actually paying our bills. Did the employee go about it the wrong way? yes he did. But no one is entitled to hang out in any store just because he has nothing better to do. Edited The store exists to sell the hobby. The hobby happens in the store therefore He had done nothing wrong. However as someone had pointed out they still have a legal right to ask them to leave. (Disclaimer; I am not a law expert so I could be wrong.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:12:50
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I work retail, and we have asked people to leave who are just loitering in the store, its well within a store's rights. It is indeed a fact that there are some incompetent staff, usually those in menial positions, at retail outlets who believe that customers are an impediment to their job. I liked customers, for with all their faults, they are after all just like me or you. I used to work retail - its also a fact that some customers never let common sense get in the way of an argument. I've never let emotion blind me from common sense in a discussion with shop staff - I also treat shop staff with respect so they aren't all like me or you  Like we had one guy who wanted a pressure washer - we didn't have any cheap ones, so he wanted the expensive one reduced to the cheaper price. He insisted I went and got a manager after I told him no 6 different ways (we were getting more in in a couple of days). The manager then said no too. He shouted, swore and stormed off in a huff. I hope I'm never like that. GW is a shop - they are there to take money from people. The OP got kicked out of his shop for not having a rule book - while thats the first time I've heard of someone unlucky enough to be on the receiving end of that asinine rule, its within the GW guys right to ask him to leave because of it. Just because the Staff guy was a twerp, doesn't mean he was completely wrong. I think its a case of a staff member on a bad day who didn't care. Normally, locals GW's can be relied on to bend over backwards to get people in, buying and telling their friends what a good store they are. I think the OP is taking the best course of action - speaking to the manager to express his concerns when the guy who kicked him out isn't there. Automatically Appended Next Post: captain collius wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Just because you patronize a store doesn't entitle you to waste space. I have heard the line "do you know how much money I spend here?!?" as a bartender often enough to know that no customer is actually paying our bills. Did the employee go about it the wrong way? yes he did. But no one is entitled to hang out in any store just because he has nothing better to do. The store exists to sell the hobby. The hobby happens in the store therefore He had done nothing wrong. However as someone had pointed out they still have a legal right to ask them to leave. (Disclaimer; I am not a law expert so I could be wrong.) Its a private premises - staff are allowed to ask people to leave. EG: If you don't eat in a restaurant but just hang out with your mates, they ask you to leave. Go sit in mcdonalds, don't buy anything and see how long you're allowed to stay there Edit:I'm in complete agreement with SoloFalcon - the store guy was a douche, but its within his rights to ask someone to leave.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:25:40
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:27:08
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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Please tell me what that means?
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:28:39
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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gunslingerpro wrote:
Why is the minor the issue? His friend (also likely a minor) was not removed from the store. It's about the money. Stop trying to change the parameters of the issue by introducing your rants on child care.
That is the issue. The store has no duty to be happy play time care for Jr.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:35:35
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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I'm assuming his attitude is because he works a gakky job in a gakky store and he resents his customers, hence the bitterness.
In fact the whole picture I'm getting is the "dead end job, lives in mom's basement, spends all his money on Warhams and all his time being anonymously rude to people to try and make himself feel better" vibe right now.
It's ok Solofalcon, its ok. There, there, let it out, we can't all be Unicorns.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:38:45
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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azreal13 wrote: I'm assuming his attitude is because he works a gakky job in a gakky store and he resents his customers, hence the bitterness. In fact the whole picture I'm getting is the "dead end job, lives in mom's basement, spends all his money on Warhams and all his time being anonymously rude to people to try and make himself feel better" vibe right now. It's ok Solofalcon, its ok. There, there, let it out, we can't all be Unicorns. Your being somewhat rude too. Is this a case of you're shouting loudest therefore you're right? Oh and excusing him for working retail and being rude should make it somewhat easier for you to see the point he is making, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:41:34
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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notprop wrote:
Your being somewhat rude too. Is this a case of your shouting loudest therefore your right?
Oh and excusing him for working retail and being rude should make it somewhat easier for you to see the point he is making, no?
The fact he works retail is not something to be criticised for.
The fact he works retail and takes a "the customer is always wrong" attitude, does indeed explain a lot about him.
almost any job is fine, if you work at it and try to do it well. If your first reaction to a question is to insult the OP in question well... he needs to work on his customer skills, and it's hard not to infer a lifestyle along the lines azreal suggest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/19 14:42:49
Subject: Kicked out for 'Doing Nothing'
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/08/19 14:43:26
Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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