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HQ- 210

CCS-
x3 Plasma Guns
Astropath
Master of Ordanance

Chimera -


Troops - 740

Veteran Squad 1 - 185
x2 Plasma Guns
Carapace Armor

Chimera

Veteran Squad 2 - 185
x2 Plasma Guns
Carapace Armor

Chimera

Veteran Squad 3- 185
x2 Plasma Guns
Carapace Armor

Chimera


Veteran Squad 4- 185
x2 Plasma Guns
Carapace Armor

Chimera



Elites - 65

Guardsmen ( Freakkin ) Marbo - 65


Heavy Support --- 560

Leman Russ Vanquisher -210
Plasma Sponsons
Hull Lascannon

Leman Russ Vanquisher - 210
Plasma Sponsons
Hull Lascannons

Medusa Seige Gun - 140
Bastion Breaching shells


Fast Attack - 415

Vendetta

Vendetta

Vulture Gunship-
- Twinlinked Punisher Cannons



So that should total to 1990 points which is fair enough , the carapace on the vets is part of a Theme for a Heavy Infantry Unit in which the entire ( ok most ) is armed with Heavier gear while still trying to remain mobile , but from a competitive standpoint i want to know what you guys think in my Mostly Space Marine and Mechnized Meta of my local gaming area , the X2 Plasma Guns is partly because i lack the models so apologize on that i know i should take 3 , Anyway thanks ahead of time !

Looks like a good and solid list, not really much I would change at all.

Glad to hear you think so , Anything in particular you would add or think should be removed ?

Not really, this is the kind of list that I would be confident to play and afraid to play against, so I reckon you're pretty much good to go. If I were being pick, I would perhaps say swap one lot of plasmas for a couple of meltas, but really this is just nitpicking, as the vanquishers and medusa give great AT already.

Well I played with a similar list against dark elder and tabled him at turn 2 , which was minus a chimera and medusa being replaced by space wolves

Understanding your theme and the potential lack of models, I'd still advise dropping the plasma sponsons on the Vanquishers, but I'm personally biased against them.

That frees up 80pts, then drop the MoO, who really isn't doing anything, even fluff wise. That brings the total up to 110pts. That's dangerously close to adding another Medusa to your other one, if you could find another 15pts. That could be a plasma gun, or switching two squads from plasma to meltas.

I would drop the carapace armor on the vets, maybe replace it with some demolition charges. While they provide some risk, I have really enjoyed throwing them on terminators and the like for some devastating results.

While I also enjoy a 4+ save rather than 5+.. ap4 is far to prevalent for me to ever justify paying the 30pts for the upgrade. Otherwise looks like a great list!

I've found that carapace does indeed help me a large amount due too increased suviability from vehicle explosions , the iffy point I have in demo is I find it hard to justify the 1 charge ( yes I know they all get melta bombs ) but I see how my vets all of krak grenades and go into the mindset of " hmm I can still hurt MC's and tanks with those , however I do see your point and will consider it .... Never had good luck on scatter in dense tank formations .... And chap who mentioned the Medusa I hadn't actually considered it before , model granting ill see if I can squeeze another in

Nice list and a great theme. Not much i would change based off the theme. If your tight for points and get anymore plasmas down the lone you could drop marbo.

I recommend keeping the vanqs how they are. Expensive yes. But its a tank that can do pretty much anything but effectively kill anti air. Its vanq cannon and lascannon can kill heavy armor and its sponsons even help with lighter armor so you get to kill tanks at range and as transports move close you just get more firepower to throw at the opponent. The ap 2 everywhere kills meq and teq alike and with the small blast your guaranteed to put multiple wounds to do damage to horde. Because really thinking if your opponent has horde and if hes really taking the time to space everything out 2" then guess what the game probably won't last past turn 2 if theres some sort of time limit. Lol

I Agree on the part with the Vanquishers and i do belive that the firepower from the Chimeras as well as the Vulture coming provide a large amount of Anti GEQ units , But im happy with the responses that im getting for this right now , Now a concern i have been having is against New Eldar , Do you guys think this army would preform well against such a new army style ? Or would the new eldar squish me under their boots ? something i am concerned about is wraithknights and certainly wave serpeants any ideas ?

I'm not overly familliar with newdar, but to be honest, the LC/PC vanquishers and the vet squads should be able to take out most MCs pretty easily with a turn or two of concentrated fire. The effective Anti-infantry weapons will be useless on your guys in tanks, so immediately half the eldar shooting is almost useless. Not sure of wave serpents as I don't really know what they're capable of that makes them so deadly.

From my experience the new eldar are a hard to beat army. My mech army was unable to beat them. But i only lost by 2 victory points. Their army especially wraith knights and lords bring lance weapons like crazy. The most i can say is just focus on a unit and once its dead go to the next. With all the plasma and melta you should be able to take out their big units farily easily.

But all and all the new eldar are just a very scary army to play against. I would rather play against tau than eldar.

Now concentration of fire would you say is my biggest Benifit ?

Against eldar yes because if you dont kill that wraith knight or lord it will still pump out lance weapons and kill you and continue to move up.
Thats the same thing with their skimmers. As well as their bikes, they will just blow your vehicles up or destroy your fragile troops but i belie the carapace will help you a little here.

I'm thinking that lance won't be such a large issue with most of my tanks being AV 12 already

Yes i was only refering to russes for bringing armor down but iirc lance is ap1 which means it will blow a chimera up on a 4 up.

Hmm now so you think a medusa would bid well against elder ?

Ive never used the medusa myself they seem fragile as they are on chimera chasis and since they need Los they cant exactly hide. With how strong their gun is they will be a prime target.

The. I'll have to make my 1-2 shots count

Then thats what your going to have to do, Maybe dont take bastion breacher shells so that you still keep the large blast and if termies or mass amounts of foot meq come at you then you will have a better chance at killing more.

I can actually choose which shell to fire everytime , breachers have 48' range

Ive never looked over the rules for it as Ive never used them but if you can switch between the two then thats pretty cool. That way if you come across horde you have a chance at killing mutliple models rathers than 2-3

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
I can actually choose which shell to fire everytime , breachers have 48' range

No it can not. Bastion breacher shells replace the standard profile, that's why they're so cheap.

Also, you really should get rid of carapace (wasted points) and put three plasma/melta guns in each squad, but you know that already.

Got corrected on that today , went 9-1 at the touri , carapace is actually an amazing force multiplier as I was only losing about 1-2 guardsmen a turn after the chimeras popped , medusa ( not using bastion , I dropped the shells ) killed 11 terminators on deep strike

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Got corrected on that today , went 9-1 at the touri , carapace is actually an amazing force multiplier as I was only losing about 1-2 guardsmen a turn after the chimeras popped , medusa ( not using bastion , I dropped the shells ) killed 11 terminators on deep strike

That must have been alot of 1's and 2's being rolled lol

Nope lol , medusas ap2 shot smushed em

Thats good news that the list performed well. I may give carapace a go sometime. How did the vanqs perform for you?

Vanquishers made their points back 9/10 times which was astonishing to me


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Thats good stuff, I onlyy ask as Ive been using them like that for a while and I was wondering how they were fairing for other people.