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 Sigvatr wrote:
It's rather depressing for SoB. A new codex is far, far in the future and recently, iirc at a Q&A at Gamesday or Warhammer World, with a designer, they said that they could not use the old molds to produce plastic models. This means, if I got that right, that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.

That's a mix up of a couple rumors. They wouldn't use metal molds for plastic models anyways. The rumor (from a couple years ago) was that they were having difficulty with plastic molds due to undercut issues, iirc.

Not to mention they seem to make plastic models for small run or limited run models/games (i.e. Dreadfleet) no problem.

They "cannot" use the existing molds because they are - supposedly - dead-set on making any new minis in a sort of "flex pose" system where you can place them in various different stances. Apparently the robes somehow interfere with those plans and they seem unwilling to consider alternatives. Like with interested players currently being unable to legally acquire a fresh copy of the Codex, this seems to be another self-dug grave.

Sigvatr wrote:Their main troops look really, really ugly with their weird haircut and huge lips

Whaaaaa-?

The haircut is cool and the armour sports some lovely detail.
I'd agree that the faces could perhaps use a bit of work, though.

I would agree that the SOB models have held up reaaally well. Probably the best models from that time period that are still available (except maybe some of the exarchs).

 Sigvatr wrote:
that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.

Dark Eldar.

And in fairness, I doubt they would be so niche if they had a purchasable codex, an in-store presence and plastics.

 Troike wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.

Dark Eldar.

And in fairness, I doubt they would be so niche if they had a purchasable codex, an in-store presence and plastics.

DE are really the exact comparison on this. Niche army with even worse models than SOB. Rebooted and they sold like hotcakes.

Honestly GW has been really on-point lately with codex releases. I expect the CEO has realized if they put out more product, people will buy more.

As such, I would not be surprised at all if we saw a new SoB codex over the next year. Their current rate of release has been 6 books a year.

We can all hope! In the mean time, SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in, and even then the list of people who are willing to pay the premiums to get involved is relatively short.

Fingers crossed!

godswildcard wrote:
SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in

Not at all. They're the army I started with (excluding a few IG I collected when I was a kid), and I've seen a few other new players going straight for the SoB too.

They're not as hard to play as the Internet sometimes makes them out to be. All you really need to do is do some research on how to play them and maybe ask for advice from more experienced players. They're a perfectly competetive army, you just need to put a little thought into how you play them.

Edit: as they're such a characterful and unique army, really, anybody can be interested in them.

 Troike wrote:

godswildcard wrote:
SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in

Not at all. They're the army I started with (excluding a few IG I collected when I was a kid), and I've seen a few other new players going straight for the SoB too.

They're not as hard to play as the Internet sometimes makes them out to be. All you really need to do is do some research on how to play them and maybe ask for advice from more experienced players. They're a perfectly competetive army, you just need to put a little thought into how you play them.

Edit: as they're such a characterful and unique army, really, anybody can be interested in them.

I guess I should've said 'would likely be more interested in'. My statement really doesn't deal with the competitiveness or the aesthetics of the army (I've already stated that I think the sisters still look great) but rather the monetary cost of the units, the lack of variation in the units (Saint C being the only real HQ choice), the lack of support the army receives (no apocalypse formations) and the lack of an actual codex (can't back order the white dwarf and the rules aren't even downloadable on GWs site). Heck, if a new player were to walk into a GW right now to purchase a start up army, they wouldn't know sisters existed unless the manager told them about them and showed them on the computer.

All of your points are of course valid; I was just more thinking about your average 14 year old with birthday/ Christmas money would probably rather get 2000 points of Space Marines or IG than 1000 points of sisters. Just my 2 cents.

And for the record, I LOVE it when new players pick up niche armies! My first fantasy army in 2006 was Tomb Kings, and they were kind of in the same boat at the time. I had a really tough learning curve, but I was playing with undead Egyptians which made it totally worth it! I'm sure there are players that would say the same thing about murderous, angry nuns!

godswildcard wrote:the monetary cost of the units, the lack of variation in the units (Saint C being the only real HQ choice), the lack of support the army receives (no apocalypse formations) and the lack of an actual codex (can't back order the white dwarf and the rules aren't even downloadable on GWs site)

All of these are issues that GW could indeed address within a short span of time.

Selling the SoB at a price comparable to the metal IG (a "whopping" 20p difference to plastic Cadians), FAQ'ing some of the old wargear selections into the Codex to make the Canoness viable again, resuming the White Dwarf article support, and putting the current Codex online as a PDF...

I'm at a loss for why they just prefer to sit back and do nothing. It almost appears intentional, but that's just my pragmatism speaking, and it doesn't fit to the small spree of effort they went through following the 5E release (reworking their shop website not once but twice, publishing additional WD articles, ...).

Just reading through Citadel journal #49(2002), and it has Sisters of Battle "Chapter approved" Drop pod strike force lists. I would love to try that out sometime. Drop pod Dominica pattern with 5x heavy bolters(or 5 Multi-meltas) No transport capability but that would be fun to do.

 conker249 wrote:
Just reading through Citadel journal #49(2002), and it has Sisters of Battle "Chapter approved" Drop pod strike force lists. I would love to try that out sometime. Drop pod Dominica pattern with 5x heavy bolters(or 5 Multi-meltas) No transport capability but that would be fun to do.

Oh god, I had forgotten about the CJ lists! That was another place we had to get our lists from for SOB back in the day.

And people think FW isn't generally accepted. Should have tried to play a CJ list.

If they got squatted. I'd have a field day watching the Sisters fandom summon a bloodthirster from the sheer amount of nerdrage that ensues.

pretre wrote:Oh god, I had forgotten about the CJ lists! That was another place we had to get our lists from for SOB back in the day.

The early Repentia rules were also kind of cool.

A Kamikaze Girl who stays behind to bind the enemy in CC whilst the squad she was attached to retreats. And if she actually does the impossible and manages to stay alive + kill all her opponents you get a Faith Point and any squad she joins suddenly becomes Faithful.

See, stuff like the above posts are the EXACT reason I'm starting a SOB army. Just really, REALLY cool facets of it. Funny thing is, I've been doing this for so long (13 years this month!) but I've never really given them much thought.

I missed out!

They aren't Squatted. The amount of presence the SoB have in the main rule book means they will be around.

I'm glad they aren't squatted, when my friend manages to get that army up I'm looking forward to a unique and enjoyable experience.

That being said, what kind of advice could I give my friend for facing my armies (in my sig)?

We also have Apoc formations Ive learned from WD #384, one for repentia and pentinent engines, and another for retributers. I wonder if I could use those still. WHY GW! SHOW SOME LOVE

I think there's pretty good evidence that squatting isn't going to be that fate of the SoB. If anything, it seems that the main fear of those who've looked into the matter are that they'll be kept on the backburner for a long while yet, or that they'll get a lacklustre update.

 conker249 wrote:
We also have Apoc formations Ive learned from WD #384, one for repentia and pentinent engines, and another for retributers. I wonder if I could use those still. WHY GW! SHOW SOME LOVE

Hopefully we'll get some Apoc formations via a supplement once new models are released. They probably didn't want to make any with the current metal models when they're planning to upgrade them. That's my theory, anyway.

You know what'd be fun? Exorcist formation.

 Shadowbrand wrote:
If they got squatted. I'd have a field day watching the Sisters fandom summon a bloodthirster from the sheer amount of nerdrage that ensues.

Seriously, they are more hard core than any other fanboy section I've seen.

What's funny is most girls I know are not into sisters. My wife does not have a high impression of the models and has told me her opinion of them. Lets just say its not fit for Dakka.

I'd say that the little story in the GK book probably sums up what's going to happen to the sisters...

Namely, they are going to be sacrificed so that another book may yet live. In short, I wouldn't expect much, if anything, on them for a long time -- as in they are likely to be the last codex to be released prior to 7th ed; presuming, of course, that they really aren't sacrificed for protection against Daemons.

I think there's pretty good evidence that squatting isn't going to be that fate of the SoB. If anything, it seems that the main fear of those who've looked into the matter are that they'll be kept on the backburner for a long while yet, or that they'll get a lacklustre update.

Yeah. But still a grizzled internet troll can hope eh? It would almost be as good as the amount of butthurt another gakky fandom had over the ending of a certain sci-fi game that basically all you did was feth aliens and fight grim reaper zombie robots.

Seriously, they are more hard core than any other fanboy section I've seen.

What's funny is most girls I know are not into sisters. My wife does not have a high impression of the models and has told me her opinion of them. Lets just say its not fit for Dakka.

Yeah, I hear you there. Models almost as old as me. And an army book that's part of a WD. Honestly Deathwatch and you never see 'em anymore and because of allies they are plausible. Inquisitorial Guardsmen.

I'd love to do up an army of Cadians and find decals of the ][ and stamp it on their helms.

And yeah. But i'd take SoB fanboys over Warmahorde Fanboys anyday of the month.

Why oh why did I read this thread ._., now I feel bad that I put my SOB in a box in my bookcase for use later. I shall now have to do something with them >.>


on topic, A friend pushed me into starting 40k (well not forced but I planned on it and needed a pushing into it) and bought some models to plan on how I want to paint them ect. but the lack of having a hard codex (I looked for a WD and its stupidly hard to find outside of ebay) and only found pdfs I kind of put the project on the shelf or bookcase as it would be.

But yes when I looked for a army to play the only ones I liked were elder, guard and SOB and I think the SOB were hands down the ones I liked them most, the models looked amazing compared to others which seemed kind of bland (SPESS MARINES ) that said sisters did have a share of silly models, I think that hover round guy was the worst of it, thank god hes chilling over at the GK codex now. But I have high hopes that SOB will be given the codex treatment soon, but as a longtime EvE online player I know much about the "soon" that devs talk about, I really hope they don't get rolled into someone else's codex I don't really think they fit with anyone else.


*goes to pull the sisters off the bookcase*

gw is holding their plastics and codex for some reason. it has to be finished

 namiel wrote:
gw is holding their plastics and codex for some reason. it has to be finished

Actually, as far as I know, we're unsure as to what the current status of plastic Sisters is. What we do know is that they had modelling issues which previously stopped them from being updated to plastic, though a reliable rumour source (hastings or Harry, one of those two) said that they were attempting to make plastic Sisters at some point in the past. 2011, IIRC. However, a recent statement by Jervis at the German Games Day could imply that they've have found a way forward with the models, since he reportedly said that Sisters are "definitely in the works". Fact is, we don't have any solid information here, so guesswork is all I can offer.

As for the codex, that likely hinges on the models. I'd expect a new codex to come with a new range of models and a lot of fanfare from GW, in hopes of getting lots of sales.

Actually, as far as I know, we're unsure as to what the current status of plastic Sisters is. What we do know is that they had modelling issues which previously stopped them from being updated to plastic, though a reliable rumour source (hastings or Harry, one of those two) said that they were attempting to make plastic Sisters at some point in the past. 2011, IIRC. However, a recent statement by Jervis at the German Games Day could imply that they've have found a way forward with the models, since he reportedly said that Sisters are "definitely in the works". Fact is, we don't have any solid information here, so guesswork is all I can offer.

Well according to the quote below the prodiution problems are in the past.
Check out the third paragraph from the end

A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.

This came from this site
http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-ask-audience-we-want-to.html
Which was from this Dakka thread
/http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/534987.page post at 23/07/2013 05:27

But even that's pretty old news.

Good to hear. Thanks for posting, Desteele.

 Melissia wrote:
But even that's pretty old news.

Just last month, actually. Unless they've outright said that they were past the modelling issues before?

In any case, excellent news for the Sisters. I'd go so far as to say that the fear of them being squatted has been pretty much invalidated. Now all we need to worry about is the update's quality...