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Ok let's take a look at the trends of GW.

Models are becoming bigger and bigger, the scale of the game is remaining the same.

Models are becoming more and more expensive, but the actual material being used is not (keep it relative here).

Overall opinions are they prices do not accurately reflect what is being purchased; i.e overpriced (some care some don't, but few argue GW retail is a "bargain").

So what does this mean???

It means that if things keep going at this rate, eventually you'll be able to decide if you want to purchase a plastic model warhound titan...or purchase a fully functional, mechanized, remote controlled warhound titan. You can add it to your R/C flying hive tyrant and voice activated leman russ battle squadron.

I wonder if it could be done? Make a remote controlled warhound titan for the same price (or less) than what you'd pay for a plastic paperweight version.

Think it could be done dakka? What about some other options (tanks flying creatures etc.)?

I think it would be entirely possible to do a tank, but designing a bipedal system would likely take a lot of money, despite, and likely because of, the small form factor.

Or they will end up where all those Atari ET game cartridges ended up.

Dronze wrote:
I think it would be entirely possible to do a tank, but designing a bipedal system would likely take a lot of money, despite, and likely because of, the small form factor.

Search youtube for 'remote controlled baneblade,' someone did it a while ago.

Not sure where all the excitement for a plastic warhound titan always stems from. The FW resin version is very highly detailed and for a large kit isn't that difficult to assemble.

Right now a riptide is around $120 CAD. A warhound is several times larger. GW would probably charge $350 CAD. I'd rather just buy from FW.

As for your RC inquiries.... I'm not sure if your are kidding or very young.

Bi-pedal movement is something that is very hard to master. Most commercially available bi-pedal toys or "robots" simply shuffle along with feet barely coming off the ground. The calculations required to achieve balance are just ridiculous. MIT would love to have you attend their degree program if you could build them a walking warhound.

Moving on to a flying hive tyrant..... it would probably need to be of foam or wood contruction in a fixed wing position with propellers somewhere. The scale would also be way off with a 3 ft wingspan.... yeah......

Then finally there is cost. Proper RC equipment with the amount of channels needed to control legs, neck, arms, etc... several hundred dollars just for the RC controller, battery, servos, etc...

 Aipoch wrote:
Ok let's take a look at the trends of GW.

Models are becoming bigger and bigger, the scale of the game is remaining the same.

Models are becoming more and more expensive, but the actual material being used is not (keep it relative here).

Overall opinions are they prices do not accurately reflect what is being purchased; i.e overpriced (some care some don't, but few argue GW retail is a "bargain").

So what does this mean???

It means that if things keep going at this rate, eventually you'll be able to decide if you want to purchase a plastic model warhound titan...or purchase a fully functional, mechanized, remote controlled warhound titan. You can add it to your R/C flying hive tyrant and voice activated leman russ battle squadron.

I wonder if it could be done? Make a remote controlled warhound titan for the same price (or less) than what you'd pay for a plastic paperweight version.

Think it could be done dakka? What about some other options (tanks flying creatures etc.)?

I could easily make a remote controlled Warhound, Baneblade, Leman Russ, or Stompa if I wanted to. It doesn't take much more then a couple of bucks worth of gears and parts, or one of those robot toys.

Are you being funny, or what are you saying here?

A little funny, a little serious.

I find it odd that the bi-pedal robot was deemed more complicated than the flying hive tyrant though.

My point is that the hobby, as a whole, is very much a 20th century hobby. In this marvelous digital age we live in, with technology progressing at the rate it does, I'm simply curious as to how much longer it is before the ability to produce such devices as robotic 40k miniatures becomes a better deal than it's plastic counterpart.

That stems from the common ideal I think most people can relate to. "Oh wow, only $499 for the newest <insert new electronic device>, take my damn money!" vs. "Holy crap, how much am I paying for this plastic kit? Ugh, here's my money."

Would you pay $350 for a plastic kit if you could pay $400 for a kit just as detailed, just as paint friendly, but also had the ability to be a remote controlled, or even autonomous (think more like lego mindstorm, less like terminator) walking titan?

I think a RC warhound would be very complicated and difficult to get that thing to move while staying balanced. However RC tanks would be quit simple. A stompa would be doable since it just has little nublet legs amd not the huge ones with joints that warhounds have

 Aipoch wrote:
I find it odd that the bi-pedal robot was deemed more complicated than the flying hive tyrant though.

It is pretty easy to make something with fixed wings fly. If the goal was to make a hive tyrant that can fly by flapping its wings...... well good luck with that - that too would be another experiment left to a group of very dedicated individuals.

The reason I say it is near impossible to make the titan walk AND be anywhere near affordable is because of the knee joints. When one leg is bending back, lifting and then moving forward - the other leg will have to support the weight of the models and remain balanced as the kit is top heavy. This is extremely difficult to achieve and requires an onboard computer to interact with gyros. The only commercial available robots/toys we see today either are on tracks or use their waist to shuffle the feet. Tanks with wheels and tracks are easy - why do you think there aren't mech or walking vehicles.... it is just way too difficult (Go watch the video of ASUMO falling down the stairs).

Moving on, if GW could produce a plastic titan kit of the same quality for cheaper - then yes it would be a win-win for all. I just don't see it being the natural progression. Kits are getting bigger, but that is quite a jump, though maybe knight titans could be on the radar.

 gossipmeng wrote:
The FW resin version is very highly detailed and for a large kit isn't that difficult to assemble.

Somewhat easy to assemble. the various pistons are rather fiddly, and IIRC from chatting with Will Hayes about titans, even he thinks he could do better now as far as the torso goes and ease of assembly. Notice the Reaver has a central piece that other parts attach on to, rather than having the center and interior made up of 6 parts that all have to fit together correctly.

More larger models IS exciting. But as more and more of these come onto the average gaming table does it change the game we are all playing?

I have to admit - I want a Stompa and lots of the new Ork Bommas, a Squiggoth, and some Battlewagons. Eventually, though, a person can only afford so many - and then there's the issue of where to store them all. Storing one mega-sized model is one thing. But when you start to need several just to compete with your friend's three Necron Tesseracts, well...

Actually, the solution is easy. Who needs a dining room?

Ha ha ha ha
Solorg

By 2025 GW will be offering life-sized operational Warhound Titans

 Harriticus wrote:
By 2025 GW will be offering life-sized operational Warhound Titans

Made in finecast of course

Dronze wrote:
I think it would be entirely possible to do a tank, but designing a bipedal system would likely take a lot of money, despite, and likely because of, the small form factor.

Agreed. Just look at sony's asimo robot. It can run, jump, climb stairs and open doors. Pretty amazing stuff.
The drawbacks. Well there's the million pound price tag. Plus it's only a ridiculously expensive toy.

tomcat31 wrote:

Agreed. Just look at sony's asimo robot. It can run, jump, climb stairs and open doors. Pretty amazing stuff.
The drawbacks. Well there's the million pound price tag. Plus it's only a ridiculously expensive toy.

I'm not sure that posters on dakka will think that 'ridiculously expensive toy' is a drawback.

Bullockist wrote:

tomcat31 wrote:

Agreed. Just look at sony's asimo robot. It can run, jump, climb stairs and open doors. Pretty amazing stuff.
The drawbacks. Well there's the million pound price tag. Plus it's only a ridiculously expensive toy.

I'm not sure that posters on dakka will think that 'ridiculously expensive toy' is a drawback.

I'd rather use that money to buy and modify a powered exoskeleton, because I want my own powered armor.

Asimo isn't the best reference for the simple reason that it is designed to interact with its environment, not just to walk. It can recognize and interpret the terrain it sees, and that is where the real magic is. I promise you, that price tag comes down A LOT if you remove the detection systems and just leave in the balance and movement systems.

As for the balance system in and of itself, it isn't supposed to be balanced. Instead of doing research on the subject, just go walk down your hallway, and stop mid-stride. You will either fall over, or reposition your mass over your one foot on the ground. The act of walking is a dynamic situation, not a static one, and as such there's simply more variables, not more complications.

What would you all think is a reasonable cap then? If you'd pay $350 for a plastic one, would you consider paying $1000 for a robotic one?

If GW realised an RC dakka jet I would totally buy it.

 sing your life wrote:
If GW realised an RC dakka jet I would totally buy it.

Other companies already make sutable RC Dakkajets you just have to slap some guns on it and an ork in the cockpit and any RC plane is ready to go!

The 14th edition 40k starter set will cost £600. Why is that, you ask? Inflation? Price hikes? No.

The starter set will come with two portable command centres, a tablet like device (which is see-through, obviously) which responds to touch and voice commands and can view the battlefield from several angles. It also contains pre-recorded recordings of the battle taking place. For example, should you declare a Waaaghh! with your Orks, the command centre will voice the Waaaghh! for all to hear.

Upon purchasing a new unit (these too will have increased in price), you scan your unit through your command centre to register it. Once this is done, you can move, shoot and assault with your new unit using your command centre. The units will move by themselves and the actions of shooting, casting powers and fighting in combat, will be projected onto the relevant areas of battle. Any casualties will fall over by themselves (don't worry, Necron players, your units will get back up by themselves too!).

 A GumyBear wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
If GW realised an RC dakka jet I would totally buy it.

Other companies already make sutable RC Dakkajets you just have to slap some guns on it and an ork in the cockpit and any RC plane is ready to go!

Yeah, but I'm too lazy to do that .

Frankly I don't think most consumers will stay on if the price continues to skyrocket. Regardless of a RC warhound. Afterall, the price for a similar model is half the price of GW from a competitor, which would leave you the extra cash to buy all the RC components and save a ton of dough.

GW is not an option if they continue to increase the price

 The Shadow wrote:
The 14th edition 40k starter set will cost £600. Why is that, you ask? Inflation? Price hikes? No.

The starter set will come with two portable command centres, a tablet like device (which is see-through, obviously) which responds to touch and voice commands and can view the battlefield from several angles. It also contains pre-recorded recordings of the battle taking place. For example, should you declare a Waaaghh! with your Orks, the command centre will voice the Waaaghh! for all to hear.

Upon purchasing a new unit (these too will have increased in price), you scan your unit through your command centre to register it. Once this is done, you can move, shoot and assault with your new unit using your command centre. The units will move by themselves and the actions of shooting, casting powers and fighting in combat, will be projected onto the relevant areas of battle. Any casualties will fall over by themselves (don't worry, Necron players, your units will get back up by themselves too!).

Nope - that was the plan, but because of supply side issues it will only contain two figures - a Space Marine veteran sergeant and a Gretchen Commando.

There will be three scenarios - one in which the Space Marine kills the Gretchen in one round of shooting, one in which the Space Marine kills the Gretchen in one round of hand to hand, and one in which the Gretchen manages to disembowel itself before the battle begins.

To make up for the loss of the tablet a small piece of cardboard with the word TABLET written across it will be included.

Also included will be a small device with six sound effects pre-programmed into it.

And, when the WAAAGGGHH! and CRUNCH! buttons are pushed together, a giant glowing green foot descends from the ceiling to crush the Space Marine player for killing one poor innocent Gretchen that never had a chance to do him any harm. Unless you rolled a 1 of course....

The Auld Grump

i dont know how i feel about the plastic warhound thing - on one hand, i would buy two to go eigther side of my forgeworld one and use the plastic ones for games; but on the other hand - why did i buy the forgeworld one if i dont use it? and wouldnt the plastic ones look and feel a little cheap compared to the heavy resin one?
i bought my warhound at great expense, it was a pain to build and the painting was a true test of my commitment, but it was TOTALLY worth it.
i havent managed to play many games with it because im relying on my opponents being rather sporting about its use because they have no super-heavy anything, but the games i have played have been very memorable - lots of epic moments where the opponents plan to bring it down come to fruition (it hasnt survived a single battle yet, but ive won all but one of those games) and i am waiting with baited breath for the first game i play against someone with a titan of their own; i think that the plastic warhound would expediate that.

having said that; i'd prefer forgeworld to drop the price of the warhound a bit or include the weapons with the body (buying weapons seperate feels like a bit of a scam to me) so i can justify buying another resin one.

on the whole, i think its more likely for gw to make a limited production run plastic warLORD titan (when profit margins/production challenges are considered) - a bit like the original thunderhawk gunship that was made in lead.

with a limited run, they can pick a price which is equal to the cost overall divided by 'n' units and then add whatever they feel makes it worth creating. it builds the 'brand' (stop laughing you at the back...) as well as garuanteeing there will be no losses as a result of the project.

I have been looking at aqquiring a warhound for some time, but my extremely low income (im a student) and the stupidly massive prices, coupled with the afformentioned scam of having to buy weapons seperately rather than them being included in the kit has put me off.
That said, i would sell my soul for an RC titan. Or atleast i would if i hadnt already sold it too GW for an IG starter set and Shadowsword (i know i got a good deal, didnt i )
I think, if a plastic titan does come out and it is reasonably priced (i know, i know fat chance with GW) i would gladly buy it

If I want a scout titan model, I'll just get another Dreamforge leviathan.

 gossipmeng wrote:

Moving on to a flying hive tyrant..... it would probably need to be of foam or wood contruction in a fixed wing position with propellers somewhere. The scale would also be way off with a 3 ft wingspan.... yeah......

Could I use this as a proxy?

 Aipoch wrote:
Ok let's take a look at the trends of GW.

Models are becoming bigger and bigger, the scale of the game is remaining the same.

Models are becoming more and more expensive, but the actual material being used is not (keep it relative here).

Overall opinions are they prices do not accurately reflect what is being purchased; i.e overpriced (some care some don't, but few argue GW retail is a "bargain").

So what does this mean???

It means that if things keep going at this rate, eventually you'll be able to decide if you want to purchase a plastic model warhound titan...or purchase a fully functional, mechanized, remote controlled warhound titan. You can add it to your R/C flying hive tyrant and voice activated leman russ battle squadron.

I wonder if it could be done? Make a remote controlled warhound titan for the same price (or less) than what you'd pay for a plastic paperweight version.

Think it could be done dakka? What about some other options (tanks flying creatures etc.)?

no, for a high quality hydraulic robot it would cost thousands of dollars IMO.

for low quality you can already go buy junk like that at toys are us.

what makes them interesting in the first place is that they are more like art. not kids toys.

It will probably be more cost effective if they made it into a hologram like thing. Buy the units, colour them, play them in a cinematic way. Personally id find it very hard to move away from models but RC models just wouldnt work in gaming terms. too much room for error and new people would have to spend many many hours getting flight time with their flyers etc. On top of that how can you command an army when its all sitting there. It would in no way be the same at all.

RC gaming wouldnt work but thats my opinion, but hey people once said it was impossible to fly so...

In the end holograms is better because not only will it be cinematic and in some ways faster but multi tasking will not be an issue.

But i probably would stick to models even if this hobby becomes fancy

You're seriously expecting awesome new big kits from the people who brought this abomination into the world?