Switch Theme:

Why is melee combat so popular in 40k universe?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the Hiroshima bomb is tiny compared to modern nuclear weapons. Little Boy was a Fission bomb and produced a blast of 16 kilotons.

The very first Fusion bomb produced a blast equivalent to around 10 megatons. That's a bit under a thousand times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Now consider the largest Fusion bomb ever detonated on Earth, Tsar Bomba. This bomb produced a yield of 50 Megatons, so 5 thousand times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. This bomb produced a fireball 3.5km in radius. It is estimated that if dropped on a city, it would cause complete destruction over a 35km radius.

Now imagine a future where nuclear testing was not banned, where you had entire planets on which to test your bombs. How big could one get?


Well, you would be limited. The best you could realistically want to strive for would be a bomb that reaches all points on the horizon. So a dozen or so bombs to eliminate an entire planet in nuclear fire. But planets aren't cheap so such a massive bomb would be of limited use.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne




Noctis Labyrinthus

 Melissia wrote:

Lasguns are capable of tearing apart necrodermis.


Based on?

I've seen it withstand heavy bolters just fine.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Peregrine wrote:

It's very hard to "get back up" when you've been vaporized entirely. And if Necrons are just shrugging off nukes and getting back up what exactly do you think you're going to do to them with a chainsword?


Cut them in half.

A Space Marine's strength delivered by a point of impact a single molecule thick is going to be able to cut through things a nuke could not penetrate.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 03:34:51


 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Just because something is capable of it doesn't mean it happens each time every time.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in gb
Assassin with Black Lotus Poison





Bristol

 Grey Templar wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the Hiroshima bomb is tiny compared to modern nuclear weapons. Little Boy was a Fission bomb and produced a blast of 16 kilotons.

The very first Fusion bomb produced a blast equivalent to around 10 megatons. That's a bit under a thousand times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Now consider the largest Fusion bomb ever detonated on Earth, Tsar Bomba. This bomb produced a yield of 50 Megatons, so 5 thousand times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. This bomb produced a fireball 3.5km in radius. It is estimated that if dropped on a city, it would cause complete destruction over a 35km radius.

Now imagine a future where nuclear testing was not banned, where you had entire planets on which to test your bombs. How big could one get?


Well, you would be limited. The best you could realistically want to strive for would be a bomb that reaches all points on the horizon. So a dozen or so bombs to eliminate an entire planet in nuclear fire. But planets aren't cheap so such a massive bomb would be of limited use.


But we're not talking about destroying an entire planet, they already have planet-killer stuff. We're talking about decimating the entire enemy army in as an efficient way as possible.

The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.

Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Using a nuke, or equivalent weapon, isn't always an option however.

As I said before, planets aren't replaceable. but people are.


Its better for the Imperium in the long run to spend 10 years reclaiming a planet and lose a billion soldiers doing it that to spend 2 weeks nuking the entire planet from orbit. Bodies are the Imperium's most available asset, time being the second.

They aren't to waste a perfectly good planet just so they can win the war quicker. Exterminatus is only used in the most dire of circumstances where the planet is a total loss and its best to destroy it than let the enemy have it.


Best to fight for 10 years and have a mostly usable planet then to win the war in a week but have to wait a thousand years for the planet to stop glowing.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 04:22:54


Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Void__Dragon wrote:
A Space Marine's strength delivered by a point of impact a single molecule thick is going to be able to cut through things a nuke could not penetrate.


Lol, no. A close-range nuke is going to vaporize any known substance. As in "nothing left". Compared to that a chainsword is a joke.

Also, if a Necron can reassemble itself after being vaporized by a nuke then what exactly is the point in cutting it in half?

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Its cheaper than a nuke, and doesn't leave that whole Radiation business behind. Because planets are valuable!

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Grey Templar wrote:
Its better for the Imperium in the long run to spend 10 years reclaiming a planet and lose a billion soldiers doing it that to spend 2 weeks nuking the entire planet from orbit.


But we're talking about tactical nuclear weapons here, not nuking the entire planet. Destroying everything within a mile radius makes entire armies go away while doing little, if anything to the planet as a whole. Plus we're talking about 40k, where borderline-inhabitable wastelands are common anyway. For example, on Armageddon all that matters is the hive cities. Nuke the wastelands outside until they glow and nothing is lost. There's absolutely no reason to go out of the hive city with conventional forces to fight the orks when you can just kill them all from your fortified command bunker.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Grey Templar wrote:
Its cheaper than a nuke


Only if you don't count the delivery cost of the chainsword. A nuclear missile (or equivalent weapon) is the most cost-effective way of killing stuff you can get.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 04:31:49


There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Even a tactical nuke may be unacceptable amounts of radiation.

And you aren't always fighting in inhospitable wastelands where a nuke wouldn't make a difference.


We don't hear about when they do use a nuke and everything works out. No, we hear about the time orks overran vital Forge World 1783-09 and we were forced to declare Exterminatus to prevent them from stealing our technology.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne




Noctis Labyrinthus

 Peregrine wrote:

Lol, no. A close-range nuke is going to vaporize any known substance. As in "nothing left". Compared to that a chainsword is a joke.

Also, if a Necron can reassemble itself after being vaporized by a nuke then what exactly is the point in cutting it in half?


Do you know the numbers being dealt with here?

Compared to the pressure at the edge of that chainsword, the core of the sun can't even compare. Nukes far less so.

It won't be vaporized by the nuke though.
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Pressure isn't everything.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne




Noctis Labyrinthus

True, but if something can withstand the heat of a nuclear strike, then it stands to reason that an excessive amount of pressure via blade would be far more effective.
   
Made in us
Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman





Midwest

Because Blood for the blood god!

3000
2000
1500
possibly might start 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Void__Dragon wrote:
Do you know the numbers being dealt with here?


Do you?

Compared to the pressure at the edge of that chainsword, the core of the sun can't even compare. Nukes far less so.


Lol? How exactly does the pressure at the edge of a sword exceed the core of the sun. Please show your math.

It won't be vaporized by the nuke though.


Again, show your math. And when you do, please keep in mind that the temperature in the fireball of a nuclear weapon is orders of magnitude higher than the boiling point of any element.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
True, but if something can withstand the heat of a nuclear strike, then it stands to reason that an excessive amount of pressure via blade would be far more effective.


No it doesn't. There is no such thing as "withstanding the heat of a nuclear strike", assuming a direct hit. The only question is the damage tolerance of a Necron, and if that Necron can recover from being vaporized by a nuclear weapon then cutting it in half with a sword isn't even going to mildly inconvenience it.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 05:34:07


There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne




Noctis Labyrinthus



Yes.

Lol? How exactly does the pressure at the edge of a sword exceed the core of the sun. Please show your math.


Chainsword teeth have monomolecular edges, assuming that the full depth of a 1.5m chainsword's teeth were contacting a surface at once, which is impossible because the teeth are spaced and spin at hundreds of RPM gives us a surface area of 0.00000000075

Take this and apply 8 kN The maximum force achieved by weight lifters during a 'clean and jerk' lift http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(force). This is not nearly as strong as a Marine, but it's a good baseline to give a point. Lets find pascals.

1 Pa = 1 N per m^2

divide N (8000) by m^2 (0.00000000075)

10 666 666 666 666.6666 (so on) Pa

Or 10.6 TPa (Terrapascals)

To put this in perspective the pressure inside the Earth's core is only 360 GPa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(pressure)

360 000 000 000
vs
10 666 666 666 666

Almost thirty times the Earth's core. Admittedly I was wrong on the sun's core count using these numbers alone, but that's irrelevant to the main point.

Also, note that this number is about a fifth of the pressure inside W80 nuclear warhead. This is the pressure that can be generated by a physically strong normal human being with a chainsword, much less a Space Marine that is many times stronger than a human being.

Again, show your math. And when you do, please keep in mind that the temperature in the fireball of a nuclear weapon is orders of magnitude higher than the boiling point of any element.


Oh so you know the boiling point of necrodermis?

It can resist chainswords, so the pressure/concussive power of a nuke shouldn't be much trouble, and as for the heat, while it probably can't remain undamaged, it can withstand bunker-vaping melta weaponry or sun-hot plasma weaponry.

No it doesn't. There is no such thing as "withstanding the heat of a nuclear strike", assuming a direct hit. The only question is the damage tolerance of a Necron, and if that Necron can recover from being vaporized by a nuclear weapon then cutting it in half with a sword isn't even going to mildly inconvenience it.


Maybe not in real life. In 40k? Why not?
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Void__Dragon wrote:
a surface area of 0.00000000075


Please show your math for this, and include units.

And then show your math on how that supposed pressure number interacts with the target, specifically the part where this extreme pressure is applied entirely to the target and none of it goes into damaging the edge of the chainsword.

Finally, once you're done with that please show the math for a 1mm blade edge, since once the "monomolecular" edge cuts into the target the thickness of the cutting surface will increase rapidly as the rest of the blade attempts to cut deeper. Unless you'd like to propose that a Necron can be disabled by a cut so shallow that it won't even scratch the paint?

Oh so you know the boiling point of necrodermis?


I don't, and I don't care. The fireball temperature is orders of magnitude higher than any element, so no matter what it's made of it will be destroyed. The only way to avoid conceding that the nuke gets the job done is to argue for some kind of magic forcefield, but then that would apply just as much to the chainsword and you can't argue cutting performance based on a plain metal target.

It can resist chainswords, so the pressure/concussive power of a nuke shouldn't be much trouble


Do you understand the difference between cutting and overpressure? It sounds like you don't if you think resistance against one is the same as resistance against the other.

and as for the heat, while it probably can't remain undamaged, it can withstand bunker-vaping melta weaponry or sun-hot plasma weaponry.


So, given that melta/plasma weapons are vastly superior to chainswords at destroying heavy armor, how exactly is the much weaker weapon supposed to accomplish anything?

Maybe not in real life. In 40k? Why not?


Because then you might as well argue that melee combat exists in 40k because a single guardsman can punch a titan to death and stab the chaos gods in the face with its remains.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/09/08 07:50:06


There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in fr
Trazyn's Museum Curator





on the forum. Obviously

KingDeath wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Because when you are faced with enemies that are hard to kill (necrons), enemies that can warp in and out of reality (demons), and enemies who greatly outnumber you (orks and tyranids, the former of which the IoM commonly face), it's nice to be trained in the way of the pointy stick for when you inevitably run out of ammunition.


In close combat they still outnumber you and they are still tough. The only difference is that now they can actualy hit back. Engaging in close combat against creatures which are basicaly engineered to do so is foolish and the wise IG sarge will leave the chainsword at home and rather carries a few aditional belts for is squad support mg


Better hitting them with a sword or knife than with a fist.
I would like to see that sergeant try to parry a choppa with that belt ammunition.
Ever played Space Marine on the hardest difficulty? You will find yourself relying on melee attacks a lot, since you will keep running out of ammo, and as it turns out, guns are a bit bad at CC.

A nuke would slaughter everything, however. Including any civilians and perishable resources that the IoM may want. You don't clear a cockroach infestation with napalm, after all.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/09/08 14:49:21


What I have
~4100
~1660

Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!

A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble

 
   
Made in us
Nasty Nob





United States

They don't use tactical nukes because they are too close to risk dropping a pieplate the size of a monster truck tire on the table, might hit there own forces, against rules n stuff.

I am the kinda ork that takes his own washing machine apart, puts new bearings in it, then puts it back together, and it still works. 
   
Made in fr
Trazyn's Museum Curator





on the forum. Obviously

 Rismonite wrote:
They don't use tactical nukes because they are too close to risk dropping a pieplate the size of a monster truck tire on the table, might hit there own forces, against rules n stuff.


Nah, a tactical nuke would be one of those apoc templates. The IoM have much, much scarier things than nukes.

What I have
~4100
~1660

Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!

A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble

 
   
Made in us
Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord




Inside Yvraine

 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Melissia wrote:

Lasguns are capable of tearing apart necrodermis.


Based on?
The Death Korps beating the gak out of them in Dead Men Walking.
   
Made in gb
Fresh-Faced New User




I suppose it's because melee might be thought of as more glorious, perhaps? Pistol in one hand, sword in the other, blasting, hacking, parrying the blade of your opposite number does sound rather brilliant, doesn't it? Another reason it may be so popular is once you realize the enemy has a better gun than you, you'll want to find a way to take his firepower out of the equation.
   
Made in gb
Wing Commander






mechamagos wrote:
I suppose it's because melee might be thought of as more glorious, perhaps? Pistol in one hand, sword in the other, blasting, hacking, parrying the blade of your opposite number does sound rather brilliant, doesn't it?.

Exactly. Like I said, it's romantic. Why on earth do you think one of the most popular, iconic and king of "rule-of-cool" when it comes to future science-fantasy weapons, is not a turbo-laser, not a Death Star planet-killing super-ray, not even a trusty blaster at your side, kid. No, it's the lightsaber. Think of all the obviously romanticised character types from various folklore; the knight, the ninja, the pirate, the samurai - swordsmen all. One of the major points of romanticism is reactionary against the march of science, technology and industrial revolution, one of the strongest manifestations of this in pop culture is melee vs. ranged, and more specifically sword vs. firearm.

That's why melee combat is so popular in the 40k universe. Because it's romantic.

Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




Korea/USA

 Rismonite wrote:
They don't use tactical nukes because they are too close to risk dropping a pieplate the size of a monster truck tire on the table, might hit there own forces, against rules n stuff.


Found this hilarious!

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 20:09:07


StyleX, Professional Model Tools
StyleX Hobby
------
2000 pt SM (Triple) Stormraven Air Scouts
-X Chapter, For the Emperor-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNPpepPY4Lw&feature=share&list=UU-aSLyvFLGEmNFcGomzL47w
The X Chapter Blue Table painting video 
   
Made in us
Monstrous Master Moulder




Rust belt

If your opponent is using the nuke special rule. do you get to get the +5 duck and cover save?
   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut




 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
KingDeath wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Because when you are faced with enemies that are hard to kill (necrons), enemies that can warp in and out of reality (demons), and enemies who greatly outnumber you (orks and tyranids, the former of which the IoM commonly face), it's nice to be trained in the way of the pointy stick for when you inevitably run out of ammunition.


In close combat they still outnumber you and they are still tough. The only difference is that now they can actualy hit back. Engaging in close combat against creatures which are basicaly engineered to do so is foolish and the wise IG sarge will leave the chainsword at home and rather carries a few aditional belts for is squad support mg


Better hitting them with a sword or knife than with a fist.
I would like to see that sergeant try to parry a choppa with that belt ammunition.
Ever played Space Marine on the hardest difficulty? You will find yourself relying on melee attacks a lot, since you will keep running out of ammo, and as it turns out, guns are a bit bad at CC.

A nuke would slaughter everything, however. Including any civilians and perishable resources that the IoM may want. You don't clear a cockroach infestation with napalm, after all.



Think again. If your position is already overrun by close combat specialists then neither the chainsword nor a knive will help you. Packing aditional ammo for the weapon which can help you to avoid being overrun is the smart thing to do, unless you are some kind of spacemarine protagonist with epic character shields. Regarding the space marine game, last time i checked normal people have neither hitpoints nor do they replenish health. One nasty wound and you are done for so trying to kill from afar with as much firepower as humanly possible is preferable to fighting galantly in close combat.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 21:57:40


 
   
Made in gb
Storm Trooper with Maglight





 Chute82 wrote:
If your opponent is using the nuke special rule. do you get to get the +5 duck and cover save?


Only if your units are equipped with tinfoil hats.

The Kasrkin were just men. It made their actions all the more astonishing. Six white blurs, they fell upon the cultists, lasguns barking at close range. They wasted no shots. One shot, one kill. - Eisenhorn: Malleus 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




You'll find me in the mind's eye

 Peregrine wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
a surface area of 0.00000000075


Please show your math for this, and include units.

And then show your math on how that supposed pressure number interacts with the target, specifically the part where this extreme pressure is applied entirely to the target and none of it goes into damaging the edge of the chainsword.

Finally, once you're done with that please show the math for a 1mm blade edge, since once the "monomolecular" edge cuts into the target the thickness of the cutting surface will increase rapidly as the rest of the blade attempts to cut deeper. Unless you'd like to propose that a Necron can be disabled by a cut so shallow that it won't even scratch the paint?

Oh so you know the boiling point of necrodermis?


I don't, and I don't care. The fireball temperature is orders of magnitude higher than any element, so no matter what it's made of it will be destroyed. The only way to avoid conceding that the nuke gets the job done is to argue for some kind of magic forcefield, but then that would apply just as much to the chainsword and you can't argue cutting performance based on a plain metal target.

It can resist chainswords, so the pressure/concussive power of a nuke shouldn't be much trouble


Do you understand the difference between cutting and overpressure? It sounds like you don't if you think resistance against one is the same as resistance against the other.

and as for the heat, while it probably can't remain undamaged, it can withstand bunker-vaping melta weaponry or sun-hot plasma weaponry.


So, given that melta/plasma weapons are vastly superior to chainswords at destroying heavy armor, how exactly is the much weaker weapon supposed to accomplish anything?

Maybe not in real life. In 40k? Why not?


Because then you might as well argue that melee combat exists in 40k because a single guardsman can punch a titan to death and stab the chaos gods in the face with its remains.

Want some cream for those third degree burns?
He clearly showed math, and I'm assuming mm.

 
   
Made in fr
Trazyn's Museum Curator





on the forum. Obviously

KingDeath wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
KingDeath wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Because when you are faced with enemies that are hard to kill (necrons), enemies that can warp in and out of reality (demons), and enemies who greatly outnumber you (orks and tyranids, the former of which the IoM commonly face), it's nice to be trained in the way of the pointy stick for when you inevitably run out of ammunition.


In close combat they still outnumber you and they are still tough. The only difference is that now they can actualy hit back. Engaging in close combat against creatures which are basicaly engineered to do so is foolish and the wise IG sarge will leave the chainsword at home and rather carries a few aditional belts for is squad support mg


Better hitting them with a sword or knife than with a fist.
I would like to see that sergeant try to parry a choppa with that belt ammunition.
Ever played Space Marine on the hardest difficulty? You will find yourself relying on melee attacks a lot, since you will keep running out of ammo, and as it turns out, guns are a bit bad at CC.

A nuke would slaughter everything, however. Including any civilians and perishable resources that the IoM may want. You don't clear a cockroach infestation with napalm, after all.



Think again. If your position is already overrun by close combat specialists then neither the chainsword nor a knive will help you. Packing aditional ammo for the weapon which can help you to avoid being overrun is the smart thing to do, unless you are some kind of spacemarine protagonist with epic character shields. Regarding the space marine game, last time i checked normal people have neither hitpoints nor do they replenish health. One nasty wound and you are done for so trying to kill from afar with as much firepower as humanly possible is preferable to fighting galantly in close combat.


Yes, taking ammo is the smart thing to do. What isn't the smart thing to do is to throw away your knife and leave yourself defenseless. It will help you; not much, but it's better than nothing.

I never said IG tried to engage in CC. I just said it would be wise to have a CC weapon, just in case.

I really don't get why it's so hard to comprehend that close combat exists in the setting. Even today, soldiers are trained in close combat. The swords used by IG sergeants are really just for show anyway; its to show their rank, just like how old army commanders in the 19th century had them.

About infantry grade necrodermis...if a plasma bolt can tear through it, there is no way it can survive a nuke. The necrons can still attempt to repair after that, but they will mostly just teleport away.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/08 23:01:43


What I have
~4100
~1660

Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!

A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble

 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
Want some cream for those third degree burns?
He clearly showed math, and I'm assuming mm.


He "showed math" but not for the important part of the calculation, how to get the contact area of the sword (which doesn't even have units given). Since the entire calculation depends on assuming an arbitrarily sharp blade to get ridiculous pressure numbers leaving out the justification for that one element makes the rest of it worthless.

Also, that's only a "burn" if you count "make up some absurd assumptions, show no understanding of the concepts involved, and post some arbitrary numbers as 'proof'" as anything more than a disappointing failure.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/09 00:21:30


There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




You'll find me in the mind's eye

 Peregrine wrote:
 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
Want some cream for those third degree burns?
He clearly showed math, and I'm assuming mm.


He "showed math" but not for the important part of the calculation, how to get the contact area of the sword (which doesn't even have units given). Since the entire calculation depends on assuming an arbitrarily sharp blade to get ridiculous pressure numbers leaving out the justification for that one element makes the rest of it worthless.

Also, that's only a "burn" if you count "make up some absurd assumptions, show no understanding of the concepts involved, and post some arbitrary numbers as 'proof'" as anything more than a disappointing failure.

Swelling with hurt and sodium?
I looked that gak up on google and got the same numbers.

 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K Background
Go to: