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Hey all, I just played in a small tournament with this list, and got first place. Fun time, only downer was all the money in my wallet was stolen. So while the store goes over security tapes... I'll tell you my list.

Hq
Autrach, mantle, bike, fire axe, Phoenix gem (for laughs and giggles)

troop
5 dire avengers 65
Wave serpent, TL SL, SC, holos 145

5 dire avengers 65
Wave serpent, TL SL, SC, holos, 145

5 dire avengers 65
Wave serpent, TL SL, SC holos, 145

Elites
5 wraithgaurd, d scythes 210
Wave serpent, TL SL, SC holos, 145

5 wraith gaurd, d scythes 210
Wave serpent, TL SL, SC, Holos, 145


Yes my only troop is 3 5 man squads of dire avengers. My opponents all noticed that and commented, saying " so all I have to do is kill the avengers, and then you can't score, and then I'll win"

1st round, vs other Eldar.... Me....19 points. He got three.

2nd round vs mass deep strike marines with meta pistols and Dante.... Wipeout. Best part of game was his 5 Melta pens becoming 2 glances with jink, + serpent sheild. I got 12 points, he got three

3rd round, vs necrons with 2 monoliths...I killed everything but the monoliths, and just I zoomed away from those. Me 19 points, him three.

Seems pretty solid, I just didn't t,now if there was anything you guys would want to change.

not sure what you meant by fire axe but if it was anything over 10 points i.e. firesabre your over 1500 points.

Might want to consider a spiritseer and 3 support battries vibro or shadow weavers instead of the autarch

This list might be a bit one dimensional.. every serpent lost is very crippling.. if you go up against a good tau army, or any army that can deal with tanks, your gonna be a sad panda.

No tau players really in our meta.... Don't know why. Not a complaint tho...

Also we were allowed to go 5 points over for the tourney, and I forgot to mention one serpent has no chin cannon.

I wouldn't really change anything, as this is just a brutal list to face. Wrecking or destroying a waveserpent is so hard to do, unless you just have a massive amount of long range firepower. As I have mentioned in other posts, I would be worried to face this list ( waveserpent spam ), with any army I have on hand. This list just has so many tools going for it, with CC being it's only lacking feature, but I think in most cases that can be mitigated.

Good job in the tourney. Nasty list. And sorry to hear about the theivery.

Since the new eldar dex has come out i literally cannot think of a way to beat the serpent spam with my BA. Even my front armour 13 gets eaten up by the mass glances from the serpent shield and thats not counting the manovaribility getting side armour. If i run raiders out pops the wraithguard/firdragons or i get lanced to death with prisms. Assault marines cannot physically catch a serpent. The sternguard/furioso drop pods which takes out a serpent or two then gets wiped after taking our less points than they are worth. And my usual shield of sanguinius wall is usless against the serp shields. Factor im the ridiculous 60" range and iim trumped! Only ravens are reliable against them and to get the angles i need i need to take them into skimmer mode and they become priority number 1 of my opponent... bye bye ravens! (at least they usually do a 3.5:2 ratio)

thanks for all the replies guys! yes, i like the list, and it prefroemed pretty well. only thing i can really think of being a huge problem would be major tau gunlines.

the store still hasnt called me back about the tapes, so ill shall be calling. :/

I agree with everyone else, the list looks great. Maybe give the Autarch a Fusion gun instead of one of the other upgrades? I would think your opponents would be keeping their armor facing toward your Serpents, which would make it pretty easy for your Autarch to run willy-nily behind things and Melta them to pieces. I just had a thought run through my head of each turn your Autarch jumping to a different tank and shooting it in the butt, then laughing before moving on to the next one. Ha.

^^^ ha. good idea, shall try. he loves to jump into combat hit units, nmake them fail moral, catch them running, wipe the squad, and run away.

happneded every time i assulted the necron player

Sounds like a very familiar list...and yes sounds invinsible!

 konfusion17 wrote:
This list might be a bit one dimensional.. every serpent lost is very crippling.. if you go up against a good tau army, or any army that can deal with tanks, your gonna be a sad panda.

Well, I battled Tau two times (once at GW and in a RTT) with my Serpent list and both times almost got wiped out. Its more like an uphill battle for Tau provided that Eldar manages to delete all those marker lights asap.

like i was saying, tau are the only ones who really scare me

I would switch the d-scythes to wraithcannons. Your Wave Serpents can deal with infantry pretty easily though the army cannot deal with av14.

I would also consider a Farseer, the Autarch isn't exactly a close combat machine while the Farseer on a jetbike with the mantle can be mobile and can allow the Wraithguard to re-roll to hit. Add psychic screech to the party and a singing spear and the Farseer can deck small infantry units and tackle vehicles.

You have huge issues vs AV14. The WraithScythes only have a ~60% of penning AV14 and only 33% of those will Destroy it.

AV12 Flyers also pose a problem for this list.

Autarch needs a Fusion Blaster, it'd help.

Wave serpents are broken. Very competitive list with few hard counters. Personally I would take D-scythes over wraithcannons. Just ignore LRs if you face them.

I rekon Ravenwing would be a hard counter and maybe daemons as well as tau. Other than that your set.

Zagman wrote:
You have huge issues vs AV14. The WraithScythes only have a ~60% of penning AV14 and only 33% of those will Destroy it.

AV12 Flyers also pose a problem for this list.

Autarch needs a Fusion Blaster, it'd help.

like i stated earlier.... thrird round saw me up against 2 monoliths. they were ignored, everything else of hid died. but autach could use a fusion gun, which has been already suggested.

Just make sure you don't take this list to a tourney where you know there will be landraiders, because that would be an autolose.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

Zagman wrote:
You have huge issues vs AV14. The WraithScythes only have a ~60% of penning AV14 and only 33% of those will Destroy it.

AV12 Flyers also pose a problem for this list.

Autarch needs a Fusion Blaster, it'd help.

like i stated earlier.... thrird round saw me up against 2 monoliths. they were ignored, everything else of hid died. but autach could use a fusion gun, which has been already suggested.

The Monolith is arguably the worst heavy support in the game. Once game does not prove a point. LRs are a bigger concern as they have the ability to withstand nearly all of your shooting and can put out enough firepower to hurt you and shield scoring units for an entire game.

You also didn't mention the AV12 Flyers. One of BA's only semi competitive builds the tri Raven dose a number to you. Vendettas can be nasty though with some maneuvering you can get rear shots on them.

I should add FMC Spam, ScreamerStar, Mechanized Guard, and the Farsight Bomb to the list of things which can handle serpent spam some easier than others.


Note I didn't say it isn't an incredibly strong build, they went a bit over the top with the new Serpent, a 3+ Pen to Glance would have been better or the Shield not ignoring cover. But, either way its a list that spams a very powerful unit. There are some builds, although some are not terribly common, that can give it issues and some that can handle it fairly easily. It is by no means invincible, merely extremely powerful.

Zagman wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

Zagman wrote:
You have huge issues vs AV14. The WraithScythes only have a ~60% of penning AV14 and only 33% of those will Destroy it.

AV12 Flyers also pose a problem for this list.

Autarch needs a Fusion Blaster, it'd help.

like i stated earlier.... thrird round saw me up against 2 monoliths. they were ignored, everything else of hid died. but autach could use a fusion gun, which has been already suggested.

The Monolith is arguably the worst heavy support in the game. Once game does not prove a point. LRs are a bigger concern as they have the ability to withstand nearly all of your shooting and can put out enough firepower to hurt you and shield scoring units for an entire game.

You also didn't mention the AV12 Flyers. One of BA's only semi competitive builds the tri Raven dose a number to you. Vendettas can be nasty though with some maneuvering you can get rear shots on them.

I should add FMC Spam, ScreamerStar, Mechanized Guard, and the Farsight Bomb to the list of things which can handle serpent spam some easier than others.


Note I didn't say it isn't an incredibly strong build, they went a bit over the top with the new Serpent, a 3+ Pen to Glance would have been better or the Shield not ignoring cover. But, either way its a list that spams a very powerful unit. There are some builds, although some are not terribly common, that can give it issues and some that can handle it fairly easily. It is by no means invincible, merely extremely powerful.

i wasnt saying 14 isnt a problem, just saying there are instances where its ok. also im not saying list is invincible, in fact i was asking advise about how to make it better now its just a "this list will beat it, and your going to have a hard time vs this one" thread

I'd honestly change the two D-scytheguard and their Serpents for another DA Serpent, a stock Wraithknight, and a squad of 10 Warp Spiders. And switch the Autarch for a Farseer with Mantle.

That's my 2 cents on how to make it better. Sure, the list is nothing new, but it is much more balanced, imo.