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2400 points list, no special characters, no unit over 500 points is the list restrictions.
Feel free to criticize?

Arch mage, + 1 lvl, book of hoeth, talisman of pres – Shadow (lore is not really decided, I normally only use shadow then sea guard or spearmen are around, but it’s always good so I just don’t know.) 320
Mage + 1 lvl, scroll – High magic 145
Nobel, BSB, world dragon, barded steed, dragon armor, g weap, bow 179

19 silver helms with command and shields 437
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95

30 white lions – full command flaming banner 430
22 sword masters – full command

Eagle 50
Eagle 50

Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70

List #2

Arch mage, + 1 lvl, book of hoeth, talisman of pres – Shadow 320
Mage + 1 lvl, scroll – High magic 145
Nobel - bsb armor of destiny, g weapon, bow 154

Seaguard (42) + full command 492
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95

30 white lions – full command botwd 470
21 sword masters - full command flaming banner 313

Eagle 50
Eagle 50

Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70

2394 Better??

Is this terrible? No comments?

Before I comment, can you explain your tactics a bit?

Well I am expecting to play against either empire, orcs and gobbos, or chaos tomorrow night at our FLGS.

I was thinking that the white lions would hold the middle of my line with the knights, including bsb flanks/staying close for the ld rerolls. The sword masters would take the other side.

I was thinking the mages would hang with the lions/move out when things are getting tough (if there are no war machines to hunt them!)

The eagles/reavers will be redirecting/hunting war machines.

I am hoping the silver helms will be a hard to kill wall that I can use spells on like mind razor to keep up the agression. I wanted the list to be fast and agro if possible.

Alot of the time I will use a large hoard of lothern sea guard but thought trying the helms with the banner would be interesting.

I think your BSB is little to vulnerable. He'll be there in the front rank of the Helm bus (19!) and looks sure to draw some allocated attacks at him. How long do you think he can last with 3+/6++? Also drop the bow (one bow shot won't matter) and I would swap the grt wpn for a halberd to keep re-rolls, even at STR 5. Personal preference, of course.

If your heart is set on your main unit being the Helm bus- not a bad idea, mind you- can you find the points to fit in a Cav Prince? I would try.

Arch mage, + 1 lvl, book of hoeth, talisman of pres – Shadow (lore is not really decided, I normally only use shadow then sea guard or spearmen are around, but it’s always good so I just don’t know.) 320

Build is fine, shadow is fine. Consider light, life, and high magic as well.

Mage + 1 lvl, scroll – High magic 145
Also fine.

Nobel, BSB, world dragon, barded steed, dragon armor, g weap, bow 179
Not as fine. If your goal is to give the helms the 2+ vs magic, don't take as many. In fact, don't take them. Switch to dragon princes, 10 or so should do. Give them the botwd, give your bsb something else. Barded steed, dragon armour, charmed shield, dawnstone is a favorite of mine. Basically, more survivable.

19 silver helms with command and shields 437
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95
5 reavers (bow instead of spear) 95
Thats a lot of helms...or rather, a lot of expensive str3 attacks. You are not delivering a combat character, as such the unit seems to be too large for a mobile hitting force. Reavers look good, add a musician. Helps to beat tied war machine combats more often than youd think.

30 white lions – full command flaming banner 430
Looks good, consider armour piercing banner (effective str7 is nothing to scoff at).

22 sword masters – full command
Just be careful where you place them.

Eagle 50
Eagle 50

Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
Bolt thrower 70
What are your plans for these? You have a lot of good combat units, which will limit what you'll be able to effectively shoot at. If you're looking to plow the roads before a charge, there are better options available for less points.

And never rule out the possibility of a phoenix!

Thanks for the comments so far!

Well the reavers do have a musician (or they would be 85) and I forgot to list it.

The problem with the dragon princes is they are more expensive and also not core. Which means that I need to add 400 points of core to be legal. Basically meaning I have to lose one of the other blocks.

The bolt throwers are there for a mix of reasons. Enemy characters can really step out safely, monsters its good against, great vs ogres etc.

I think the helms are ok, maybe a bit too big. I could drop a rank I guess, I just expect them to get shot up and arriving with only a few seems bad.

Can you give me a list example you think is better?

I dont own a phoeix though, I know they are good but I hate taking monsters who just get cannon sniped...

If your BSB has the BotWD, then you've made a massive error.

A game costing error. Because an Elven BSB is a very important character, so Armour of Destiny > BoTWD.

The Archmage seems to favour the infantry list, but you have a lot of points in helms, which, when compared to princes are subpar. With your current character setup, I'd take a massive block of spears. With shadow magic these become horrific. And then an archer bunker for your archmage and BSB.

The rest of the list looks good, The four bolt throwers could benefit from some fire magic,. in case of chimeras, but even then flaming attacks are a double edged sword.

As others have suggested i'd drop the BotWD from the BSB, and give him magic items to make him more durable.

I'd drop the flaming banner from the white lions, replacing it with the BotWD, and give the flaming banner to the Swordmasters if you are worried about Regen.

If you are going to have that many Silver Helms, I'd consider changing the lvl 1 from High magic to Beasts and mount him so he can ride along with your Helms casting Wildform.

4 bolt throwers is a lot, you might want to drop 2 of them and see if you can squeeze in a Phoenix.

Updating first post with a second list.

I like the second list a lot more then the first. Good job.

 nathan2004 wrote:
I like the second list a lot more then the first. Good job.

Great that's what we are gonna go with!

I like the second list.

Try fitting the Ring of Khaine onto the level 1 for a cheeky bound spell to boost the unit's ward save.