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Some people may remember that I did a rollup last week of 40k Radio's look inside the codex. Well they released the second part, so I did another one. It's on Talk Wargaming again:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/08/codex-space-marines-roll-up-special_29.html

Plenty of information there to drool over there. Like the Relics, and a more indepth look into some of the codex options and changes.

Thank you very much for your efforts.

For clarification;

Does the Assault Squad follow C: DA for options (2 special weapons at 5 man) and is the Sergeant limited to the Melee wargear (No combi-weapons)?

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
Thank you very much for your efforts.

For clarification;

Does the Assault Squad follow CA for options (2 special weapons at 5 man) and is the Sergeant limited to the Melee wargear (No combi-weapons)?

You're welcome!

40k Radio didn't say what the limit was, so I'm guessing that it's the same as now, 1 per 5. And they didn't say that the Sergeant could take combi-s just melee wargear and the pistol options.

Glad I haven't purchased the Badab War books yet.

Thanks for posting.

Seriously looking forward to fielding all my LotD models.

Thank you so much for all the work you've done for this release! I am stoked about LOTD! Now I can field mine. Cheers.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
Thank you very much for your efforts.

For clarification;

Does the Assault Squad follow CA for options (2 special weapons at 5 man) and is the Sergeant limited to the Melee wargear (No combi-weapons)?

You're welcome!

40k Radio didn't say what the limit was, so I'm guessing that it's the same as now, 1 per 5. And they didn't say that the Sergeant could take combi-s just melee wargear and the pistol options.

Sounds like they might have realized the obnoxious 105 pt drop pod triple flamer template combo in C: DA. Would've been even more brutal with the Sally's CT.

Although, the massive point reduction on HG and LOTD seems to be overkill. 145 pts for a plasma, combi-plasma and plasma cannon that can deep strike safely and ignores cover is pretty strong too. Change Plasma to Melta and change the cost to 135, just as brutal.

Did they mention whether LOTD have Chapter Tactics?

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:
Thank you very much for your efforts.

For clarification;

Does the Assault Squad follow CA for options (2 special weapons at 5 man) and is the Sergeant limited to the Melee wargear (No combi-weapons)?

You're welcome!

40k Radio didn't say what the limit was, so I'm guessing that it's the same as now, 1 per 5. And they didn't say that the Sergeant could take combi-s just melee wargear and the pistol options.

Sounds like they might have realized the obnoxious 105 pt drop pod triple flamer template combo in C: DA. Would've been even more brutal with the Sally's CT.

Although, the massive point reduction on HG and LOTD seems to be overkill. 145 pts for a plasma, combi-plasma and plasma cannon that can deep strike safely and ignores cover is pretty strong too. Change Plasma to Melta and change the cost to 135, just as brutal.

Did they mention whether LOTD have Chapter Tactics?

LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Wow, the EW storm shield is cheaper than I thought it would be. I can see a lot of people giving it to a Chapter Master w/Artificer Armor (200 points even if my math is right).

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Wow, the EW storm shield is cheaper than I thought it would be. I can see a lot of people giving it to a Chapter Master w/Artificer Armor (200 points even if my math is right).

It fits, as the old adamantine mantle was 35 and SS are 15.

You're right, but that's without a weapon.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Wow, the EW storm shield is cheaper than I thought it would be. I can see a lot of people giving it to a Chapter Master w/Artificer Armor (200 points even if my math is right).

It fits, as the old adamantine mantle was 35 and SS are 15.

You're right, but that's without a weapon.

and give him a bike make him t5 on top of it. Sounds like a good option to me.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Wow, the EW storm shield is cheaper than I thought it would be. I can see a lot of people giving it to a Chapter Master w/Artificer Armor (200 points even if my math is right).

It fits, as the old adamantine mantle was 35 and SS are 15.

You're right, but that's without a weapon.

I know, buts its a good place to start. Some weapons I can already see people additionally taking:

Bike and Relicblade/Thunderhammer

Powerfist & Lightning Claw - wait nevermind, wont get extra CC cause of shield.

Just a Relicblade or Thunderhammer

woohoo!!!
so excited for the White Dwarf tomorrow...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
woohoo!!!
so excited for the White Dwarf tomorrow...

cheers
jah

I have to wait two more days! Then another week and a half for the SM Codex! All this hurry up and wait is killing me!

 SickSix wrote:
Glad I haven't purchased the Badab War books yet.

Thanks for posting.

Seriously looking forward to fielding all my LotD models.

What's up with the Badab War books? Did I miss something or did someone edit their post mentioning them? I was thinking about dusting off my stalled Carcharodons marines project and breathing new life into them next month.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Wow, the EW storm shield is cheaper than I thought it would be. I can see a lot of people giving it to a Chapter Master w/Artificer Armor (200 points even if my math is right).

It fits, as the old adamantine mantle was 35 and SS are 15.

You're right, but that's without a weapon.

I'm interested to see if a character with the special armour and the special bolter can justify its cost, on the face of it 5 S4 AP4 Shredding rounds with a reroll to hit every turn sounds like it could do all sorts of horrible things to the squishier sorts of infantry, especially if it keeps the 24" range of a normal boltgun, but even on a Captain that's mucho points.

So 6 outflanking LSS with assault cannon and blinding large blast are going to be 390 points?

Just wow.


Guess what future tournament lists are going to spam

Sure they die to interceptor, but at 65 point a piece, who cares?

Polecat wrote:
So 6 outflanking LSS with assault cannon and blinding large blast are going to be 390 points?

Just wow.


Guess what future tournament lists are going to spam

Sure they die to interceptor, but at 65 point a piece, who cares?

Meh, DA still have them beat, they can take up to 15 LS. Hmm, really don't see why more people do that...

Polecat wrote:
So 6 outflanking LSS with assault cannon and blinding large blast are going to be 390 points?

Just wow.


Guess what future tournament lists are going to spam

Sure they die to interceptor, but at 65 point a piece, who cares?

BS3 and AV10 Open top with 2HP means they're really not going to do all that much damage.

For 10 pts more you can get a normal speeder Typhoon.

Love the relics... so tempting to blow so many points

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

 davou wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

Meh, nice and all, but if your honor guard aren't assaulting something, you're doing it wrong...

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

Polecat wrote:
So 6 outflanking LSS with assault cannon and blinding large blast are going to be 390 points?

Just wow.


Guess what future tournament lists are going to spam

Sure they die to interceptor, but at 65 point a piece, who cares?

BS3 and AV10 Open top with 2HP means they're really not going to do all that much damage.

For 10 pts more you can get a normal speeder Typhoon.

Normal speeders can't outflank, they cost more, and they take a FA slot away from Stormtalons.

Sure LSS dies easily, but the fact that they are so cheap, pack a good firepower/utility and don't take a FOC slot makes them good.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

Meh, nice and all, but if your honor guard aren't assaulting something, you're doing it wrong...

Why sould scoring prevent the assaulting? The banner also makes em better at assault.

 davou wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

Meh, nice and all, but if your honor guard aren't assaulting something, you're doing it wrong...

Why sould scoring prevent the assaulting? The banner also makes em better at assault.

What banner makes them scoring?

 davou wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

Meh, nice and all, but if your honor guard aren't assaulting something, you're doing it wrong...

Why sould scoring prevent the assaulting? The banner also makes em better at assault.

Dang you;re right, I thought you DIDNT get the +1 attack with the relic one, my bad.

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
LotD does not. Their shooting attacks Ignore Cover instead. I'd call that a good trade.

I think GW is trying to balance things out so that no matter what you want to run in this book that it's all playable, and that's awesome. I really think that, at least internally, the book is well balanced and nothing strikes me as being so good you NEED it or so bad you NEVER take it. I love it!

Agreed on both.

Honor Guard being so cheap is pretty ridiculous though, you pay 11 pts over a tac marine and you get 2+ and a power weapon. Balanced by the limited numbers and lack of scoring, but still a powerful unit.

Was there ever any clarification on the Emperor's Champion's Black Sword being S6 base, or only S6 on the two handed grip?

Dont forget, the banner that honour guard can carry make them scoring.

Meh, nice and all, but if your honor guard aren't assaulting something, you're doing it wrong...

Why sould scoring prevent the assaulting? The banner also makes em better at assault.

What banner makes them scoring?

Ahhhh, damn you are right... I read 'the unit counts as scoring' rather than finishing the sentence and seeing '...counts as scoring one more wound' lol

Okay, I may have read the options on the chapter master wrong but...

Can they take special weapons? As in plasma guns or meltaguns?

Also, the flame sword relic + the storm shield + Arti armour... Brutal!

Is it me, or have the points gone up to crazy levels for Marines?

A lot of the stuff just screams unusable because of the points imo.

Marine armies are going to look tiny on the board.

Or is that because I just picked up SW and everything is uber cheap by comparison.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Also, the flame sword relic + the storm shield + Arti armour... Brutal!

That was my first thought..on a Bike, with IH CT...

But my Eldar playing friend claims that they can only use one relic per army to prevent such combos. Would expect the same with SM