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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:20:14
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Wow.
I knew the prices, but there's a world of difference between knowing and understanding!
One guy suffering massive sticker shock trauma here.
Plans to buy LE codex abandoned, I'm off to get a regular one from Dark Sphere!
Edit Who haven't put the pre orders up yet. Oh well!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:23:58
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Yeah, those LE codex prices are ridiculous.
Seriously glad I don't have a First Founding Chapter I care about enough to buy one, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:29:03
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Fixture of Dakka
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Yeah, those LE codex prices are ridiculous.
Seriously glad I don't have a First Founding Chapter I care about enough to buy one, lol.
Since there is only 500 now instead of 2000, I think people will be paying more than $200 for one soon.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:29:47
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ClockworkZion wrote: SickSix wrote:WOW, so you are paying $57 USD for:
-Cover Art
-Clear Dust jacket
-Gold Edged Pages
-Colored ribbon
over the normal codex....
The page count is exactly the same.
For shame.
You do know that the smaller the number of books you print the more expensive it is? They have to spread the cost of it over those books and then add a in a bit of money to actually make money on top of the production costs. The difference there between the two books is likely mostly printing cost.
How much would one of these books cost to print?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:30:30
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Are people still surprised by this LE Codices price? When every single other one so far has done the same thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:31:07
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Breotan wrote: Veteran Sergeant wrote:Is that even a deal? AFAIK that's just the army from the Battle Report in this month's codex.
Yes. The picture I posted is set up as a link. Click and follow.
NM. I just read the line calling it a one-click collection.
Thanks, anyway. :/
Actually, I just did the math and I believe there's actually a $12.00 savings buying the Black Templars Lastrati Crusade deal as opposed to buying everything separately. That's a whopping 1.4% savings. Don't take too long, BT fans, with discounts like this, the Lastrati Crusade deal will be gone before you know it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:31:45
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Blood Angel Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Got my Gucci ltd edition. Anything less is uncivilized. Happy happy joy joy.
As for the gaping wound in my wallet, there are just some things you spend the money on for no good reason other than the fact that it's absolutely bad ass. Such as Warhammer 40,000. The succesors codex is one of those.
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I am The Fury. The flames of my rage will incinerate you. I came back from space. As I returned, I had one vision. The world set ablaze. And do you know what I saw there? (he aims his flamethrower upwards and incinerates a group of bats) Fury! A great and terrible Fury at being alive. Now you're going to feel the scorching heat of that horrible blackness. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:33:15
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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still... almost $200 AUD...
Also, $90 AUD for the normal one... WTF GW $83 AUD wasn't enough already?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:48:34
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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$115 for a little book with a different cover! Totally worth it! Gamesworkshop makes the finest miniatures in the world!
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My Armies:
5,500pts
2,700pts
2,000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:53:39
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Fixture of Dakka
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22 different weapons total in the Sternie box? For 5 models? And six of them are the same weapon? Holy freaking wow. Its almost as if GW did something right.
(Loving what I'm seeing!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:54:38
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Dakka Veteran
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All of these prices are ridiculous. I'm off to another game. Yeah. Warzone. I think it's gonna be that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:55:14
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Matt.Kingsley wrote:still... almost $200 AUD...
Also, $90 AUD for the normal one... WTF GW $83 AUD wasn't enough already?
speaking of the normal Codex...
with the bigger page count, it was pretty obvious this Codex was going to cost more...
still a bummer for you Aussies...
with a 20% discount, the US price seems fine to me...
luckily, i'm not too bothered about when i get it...
it does look like it will be an awesome book, though...
cheers
jah
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:04:56
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Warzoner wrote:All of these prices are ridiculous. I'm off to another game. Yeah. Warzone. I think it's gonna be that.
From your username, we'd never have guessed.
Run along.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:05:56
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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I got my IF limited edition codex!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:13:39
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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ok, is the digital codex out? Even if I got the book, brazillian taxes will kill me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:15:27
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Been Around the Block
Great White North
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The Strike Force was a good deal( as far as GW does "deals") and it's sold out in various regions does that mean (GW is evil conspiracy question) - All future pre-release Friday's for upcoming releases, if you want the "box-of-awesome" you plant your butt in front of the computer w/credit card in hand and be ready to pounce?
This way they keep all profit in-house and cut out the FLGS middleman, because I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only person who had intentions of getting one from their local FLGS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:17:59
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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cadbren wrote:ClockworkZion wrote: SickSix wrote:WOW, so you are paying $57 USD for:
-Cover Art
-Clear Dust jacket
-Gold Edged Pages
-Colored ribbon
over the normal codex....
The page count is exactly the same.
For shame.
You do know that the smaller the number of books you print the more expensive it is? They have to spread the cost of it over those books and then add a in a bit of money to actually make money on top of the production costs. The difference there between the two books is likely mostly printing cost.
How much would one of these books cost to print?
Depends on the company, exact cost of materials, if they offset the costs between the editions by only making the covers and/or dust jackets unique, the quality of the ink, the cost of the ribbons. I couldn't quote it to you, but seeing as the regular book will be done in large batches for the next 5+ years, and only 500 of each of those LEs were printed, The point remains that the size of the batches means that these limited edition books cost more. Then you factor in what GW pays to have them shipped from the printers to their various distribution hubs and game stores and FLGS partners (usually via Fed Ex) and you see costs start to stack pretty quickly. The lower quality/cost book (don't get me wrong, it's STILL a nice book, but it IS of lower quality) is cheaper in the long run because those costs are spread over a larger number of codexes. They might even be sold at an initial slight loss too.
Also, all color is more expensive to print than black and white or a mix. That's just common sense as more pigments are needed, more passes to print and so on.
Lastly we have the economic principle of scarcity that obviously, as in the thing (in this case a book) is limited in nature (as anyone who knows about GW's recent incidents with running out of stock with pre-orders knows). Because of this the ideal is to make it available to more people, usually by controlling demand. Adjusting the price is a very sound manner to do this. The high price makes it so people who really want one will get it, but you're less likely to run into situations were people can afford to buy large amounts of them (usually to resell them in this case at a mark up).
This can actually prevent hording, or running into periods of running out of the wanted thing or good. It doesn't always work, but it is a thing that is done.
Yay putting my economics class to use already.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:23:15
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
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19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:54:32
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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gmaleron wrote:Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
They can now, 40k Radio didn't say it changed, so I don't see why not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:04:07
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ClockworkZion wrote: gmaleron wrote:Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
They can now, 40k Radio didn't say it changed, so I don't see why not.
Negative, you need to get x10 Marines in order to purchase a Drop Pod as a dedicated transport according to the Codex, so I guess that means I still have to take x10 marines in order to do it if it didnt change.
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19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:22:12
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Soooo tempted by the Succesors LE, but in the end had to go with reg codex and WD, though i think ill be eyeing ebay over the next month or two to pick up the new power armour kits. Fantastic models, gut wrenching prices, if only my wallet had more give :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:27:10
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
Grand Rapids Metro
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Have we come to a consensus on the Centurian base size?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:37:58
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Nasty Nob
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gmaleron wrote:ClockworkZion wrote: gmaleron wrote:Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
They can now, 40k Radio didn't say it changed, so I don't see why not.
Negative, you need to get x10 Marines in order to purchase a Drop Pod as a dedicated transport according to the Codex, so I guess that means I still have to take x10 marines in order to do it if it didnt change.
Hah, well Ill be damned, looks like I'm a stinking cheater.
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ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:48:44
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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From that pic I'd say the speculation of 50mm bases was spot on.
As for the release:
Centurions are still derp. Pass.
Vanguard aren't for me as I've no use for them atm, plus the bare head looks a bit derp. Pass.
New tanks, eh. Pass.
Sternguard  Give me all the things. Some of the most expressive faces I've seen GW put out, tons of useful bitz, loads of weapons. Love it.
New Tac squad is great too. 16 heads, the "build your own" combi-bolter, all very handy. As an aside, anyone looking at that head with the huge gasmask type thing and thinking "yeugh", ignore the Ultramarines pic and skip to the Raven Guard Tactical squad, that shows it off far better.
The characters....eh, naw, I dinnae 'hink so pal. I like the bare heads from the Librarian and the Captain, and the libby's staff is pretty sweet, but the rest just isn't interesting enough to me to come anywhere close to justifying its price. And the less said about that Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas-head Chaplain the better. I'll be bitz ordering the decent parts from these I think.
I so, so , so want to get the LE Iron Hands codex, for no other reason than I have this horrible suspicion that GW will be using these LE books as a metric to determine who gets Supplements and in what order....but I just can't do it. I can't pay double the actual price for a different cover and colourised page edging.
So aye, 'dex, box of Sternguard, couple of Tac boxes, that should do me nicely.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:51:58
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Dakka Veteran
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gmaleron wrote:ClockworkZion wrote: gmaleron wrote:Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
They can now, 40k Radio didn't say it changed, so I don't see why not.
Negative, you need to get x10 Marines in order to purchase a Drop Pod as a dedicated transport according to the Codex, so I guess that means I still have to take x10 marines in order to do it if it didnt change.
The question here would be if they meant that it didn't change from the DA codex, or that it didn't change from the 5th ed codex.
Because if they mean it didn't change from the 5th ed. codex.........infinite rage incoming in 3...2...1...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:54:33
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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I still think the new tac squad was a waste. Not only that but I'm more than a little ticked that GW thought it was necessary to replace the tac squad with a kit that looks almost exactly the same (until you start looking really close), but Tau crisis suits and Eldar jetbikes were good as-is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 06:00:39
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Sidstyler wrote:I still think the new tac squad was a waste. Not only that but I'm more than a little ticked that GW thought it was necessary to replace the tac squad with a kit that looks almost exactly the same (until you start looking really close), but Tau crisis suits and Eldar jetbikes were good as-is.
Eh, it's a money thing. GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.
Meanwhile, Crisis Suits and Eldar Jetbikes probably get purchased a lot less, so spending the money on a slight re-design when they probably won't make that back in sales probably didn't make sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 06:03:42
Subject: Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Executing Exarch
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Yep looks like 50mm base with ~50mm model height for the centurions.
The drop pods are being standardized across dexs. The TAC squads are also being standardized in prices and options. Therefore should be like DA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 06:13:16
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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gmaleron wrote:ClockworkZion wrote: gmaleron wrote:Hey guys have a question regarding the new Codex and want to know if anyone could give me an answer or at least a "hint" of an answer since nothing is finite until the actual book comes out:
-Can Tactical Marines numbering only 5 models (basically how they come base) take a drop pod as a dedicated transport? Would really appreciate it as I have not been able to find any hints regarding this, thanks!
They can now, 40k Radio didn't say it changed, so I don't see why not.
Negative, you need to get x10 Marines in order to purchase a Drop Pod as a dedicated transport according to the Codex, so I guess that means I still have to take x10 marines in order to do it if it didnt change.
I stand corrected. I almost never see them so I forgot I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 06:17:19
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marine Rumors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ordered a Salamanders LE.
My wallet is weeping tears of blood, but I failed to resist it
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