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There's got to be more than 500 copies per set. There's no way that only the Successors one is sold out.

 Compel wrote:
There's got to be more than 500 copies per set. There's no way that only the Successors one is sold out.

I agree...

I disagree. That would be fraud.

I don't agree with all of GW's practices, but you guys are being silly, I think.

I couldn't get through this morning, but a few minutes ago, the site worked for me and I picked up the Imperial Fists LE book. Woot.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have always loved 40k fluff, aesthetics, etc... but always found myself scared off playing due to the legenday prices. As such i've played essentially every game BUT WH40.

However, I picked up the previous two-player box (its what I actually learned to paint on), and now find this bundle tempting. I was ready to drop $250 on random CMoN Kickstarter minis which I know i'd never play, so figure... what the hell, lets try this for real. :-p

Only problem is, i've got the LE Codex and Strikeforce sitting in my shopping cart, and it will not finish check-out. It keeps gaking the bed right on the final order confirmation/payment screen.

Yeah, id bite the bullet and take up 40k me mate. I have backed loads of kickstarters, and as you say, they just wind up getting painted a bit, and then sit in the cupboard.

40k stuff doesn't depreciate in value, and it doesn't decompose, so unless you go nuts, gak ain't that expensive. I started back into the hobby about 4 years back when I was getting out of the military, I bought AOBR with a mate, and since then have steadily added stuff, I buy bargains off ebay, and very occasionally, something new off a discounter. Ive probably spent more on Kickstarter than I have on GW the last few years, GW I have only spent what... new half of DV, new half of AOBR, and maybe 300$ off ebay and discounters in a 3-4 year period.

Thats it. And i've got a steady.. I dunno.. maybe 3500 points? More than I can ever use.

It isn't that expensive if you only play one army and you don't go nuts. If you get the Strikeforce and add that to your AOBR it will see you right. Spend $100 a year via ebay, and you will soon have a really big army, plenty of choice, and more units than you can field.

Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!

 Davylove21 wrote:
Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!

According to 40k Radio these kind of sets are replacing Battleforces in the long run and every army will get one eventually (I hope they do multiple different ones for armies so people can have more variety, but that's just me).

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Davylove21 wrote:
Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!

According to 40k Radio these kind of sets are replacing Battleforces in the long run and every army will get one eventually (I hope they do multiple different ones for armies so people can have more variety, but that's just me).

That would be immense - my group spent the months around the Tau release trying to get a friend into the game. He liked the fluff, enjoyed the game and thought most armies were cool but when we told him battleforces weren't playable armies he lost his point of entry, DV just doesn't appeal to somebody looking to join in with four or five friends who already have their armies. This SM release is impressing me more and more

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.

I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.

Henshini wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.

I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.

Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.

ClockworkZion wrote:

Henshini wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.

I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.

Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.

Simple: Seperately the stuff is $106.25 USD, the package is 90 dollars so you only get $16.25 USD savings which is 15%. Not sure if the saving is worth it. All this assuming the new chaplain is the same price as the clamsack captain and librarian.

 Paradigm wrote:
I think a 'Lightening claw' is a weapon put out to counter Grav-guns. The Gravs make you heavier, so presumably the claw 'lightens' you ....

Awesome response!


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 azreal13 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

KirbyFan wrote:
I for one think the new prices are fine, and in fact I see them as being entirely justified. I think many people jump at the price tag and forget that we are talking about QUALITY models here, not just any old sculpts. GW models are for the hobbyist who values his miniatures, not for those that would prefer poor quality "miniatures". GW miniatures really are the best miniatures in the world. It's hardly even disputable (just take a look at the amount of detail and sheer character on the new centurion models before you argue). I wish the GW haters would just stop hating on GW.

Anyway, the librarian and commander look absolutely fantastic! The centurions look amazing, and the one click mega bundle looks like something I just can't resist lol. Can't wait to place an order when the site stabilizes (no doubt due to the plebs oogling at all those new sculpts they call "overpriced").

Sorry. GW does not make "the best miniatures in the world". There are many companies that are producing better models. Corvus Belli' Infinity range springs to mind. As for justifying the price, again, I disagree. It's blatant cash grab because Space Marines outsell everything else they produce. But, to each his own. If you are happy to pay their prices, good on ya.

Damn, I fed a troll... :(

Obvious troll post from user Kirby Fan was obvious

We were doing so well ignoring it too...

 ace101 wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

Henshini wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.

I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.

Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.

Simple: Seperately the stuff is $106.25 USD, the package is 90 dollars so you only get $16.25 USD savings which is 15%. Not sure if the saving is worth it. All this assuming the new chaplain is the same price as the clamsack captain and librarian.

That's not a bad deal then. Even if he's priced a little less you still save a little money (I doubt he'd be as low as his Finecast counterpart).

The Reclusiam command squad saves you about $14 USD if we place a $30 value on the chaplain model.

I think both the reclusium and strikeforce are not direct only. So you can get it for about 30% retail and then an additional 20ish percent off of that. So about 45% off retail Not a bad deal at all

I didn't want to buy WD, but as I sat in a quiet house while my kids were asleep, I purchased the ipad version.

Trying my damndest not to pre order anything now.

Seeing as though there are going to be a lot more Marine armies around, I'm thinking of going CSM, just to stick the boot in with the bonuses against SM.

Either that or go Minotaurs.

To get back to new Space Marine characters, the problem is not IMHO the price, but rather what perceived value you get from them (well I guess you could then say the price is the problem - anyway, lets not get stuck to definitions). 25 euros from a single character model is high, but not unreasonably high if it provides something people want. For example
-great quality
-plenty of options
-something new which has not been available previously

Lets start with quality. New plastic SM captain is a quite nice sculpt, however, it is not 25 euros nice, so right away it's a fail. Worse, the sculpt is based on previous model, AOBR captain. Whilst it is not exact same sculpt - and I've personally always liked AOBR captain - the fact is that any estabilished player will recognize the pose and associate it with a starter set, non-premium model. Personally, I bought my AOBR captain for 2 euros, so as can be imagined, I'm not about to rush paying 25 euros from nearly same model. What about options? Well, it has a second head, and that's it. Another fail.

Is it something new? Heck no. Even now, GW has many other Power armour Captains available. In addition, current and previous starter sets had ones as well. Even the material isn't an advantage over previous models, since there already is a plastic Power armour Commander available - with better options, cheaper price and arguably not really worse sculpting. Only thing the new one offers is combi-grav gun.
Imagine if instead they had brought us plastic Terminator Captain. There is only one generic TDA Captain available and it's a Finecast conversion from a really old, not that great model. Or how about a Captain in Artificer armour? I don't think any exists. Unless the sculpts were truly terrible, people would have lined up to buy them, even for that price, because they would have been something new. By contrast, by putting a 25 euros price tag on a model which's equivalents most people already have, GW comes across as a rip-off (shock horror). Pretty much all same arguments go for the new Libby - PA Librarian models are plenty. In fact, current starter set has one. I guess it's all part of future transformation to all-plastic range, but it's just disappointing seeing them use design capacity for something so bland.

Looks like the ultra marines le is sold out as well.

 mattyrm wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have always loved 40k fluff, aesthetics, etc... but always found myself scared off playing due to the legenday prices. As such i've played essentially every game BUT WH40.

However, I picked up the previous two-player box (its what I actually learned to paint on), and now find this bundle tempting. I was ready to drop $250 on random CMoN Kickstarter minis which I know i'd never play, so figure... what the hell, lets try this for real. :-p

Only problem is, i've got the LE Codex and Strikeforce sitting in my shopping cart, and it will not finish check-out. It keeps gaking the bed right on the final order confirmation/payment screen.

Yeah, id bite the bullet and take up 40k me mate. I have backed loads of kickstarters, and as you say, they just wind up getting painted a bit, and then sit in the cupboard.

40k stuff doesn't depreciate in value, and it doesn't decompose, so unless you go nuts, gak ain't that expensive. I started back into the hobby about 4 years back when I was getting out of the military, I bought AOBR with a mate, and since then have steadily added stuff, I buy bargains off ebay, and very occasionally, something new off a discounter. Ive probably spent more on Kickstarter than I have on GW the last few years, GW I have only spent what... new half of DV, new half of AOBR, and maybe 300$ off ebay and discounters in a 3-4 year period.

Thats it. And i've got a steady.. I dunno.. maybe 3500 points? More than I can ever use.

It isn't that expensive if you only play one army and you don't go nuts. If you get the Strikeforce and add that to your AOBR it will see you right. Spend $100 a year via ebay, and you will soon have a really big army, plenty of choice, and more units than you can field.

Thanks for the suggestion and wisdom man... The irony is that I am sure I spent $1000 on Kickstarters this year, and surely those games will never get played. I've actually been thinking that the games I sought out so that I could avoid the "GW pricing" ended up costing me more... and considering many of the games I love, I literally can't find another player without driving two+ hours... well, that isn't much of a hobby is it?

My SOLE problem, is that my wife is my main hobby co-hort... and that means buying two armies for every game we play. As such, she's sitting on gorgeously painted Orcs from the AOBR box... but that is all she has, even if I now own, 1500-1800pts of my own...

 squall018 wrote:
Looks like the ultra marines le is sold out as well.

Salamanders, too (I snagged one!)

 RiTides wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
Looks like the ultra marines le is sold out as well.

Salamanders, too (I snagged one!)

I bought an iron hands copy, though they are probably in little danger of selling out soon.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well, i'm in the US, so as far as I know there are no US discounters online, are there?

Either way, I snagged it, and check-out finally worked once I stopped trying to check-out as a "Guest".

I'm honestly, oddly excited. Somehow this purchase feels much more "right" than throwing the same at CMoN for a game I know I dislike the rules for, and which would amount to a couple hundred minis for just plain painting purposes. Here i'll have a nice little chunk of painting, and turn my previous painting project into a proper playable army. Neat. :-)

Also, Dreadnaughts are my favorite "mini" in this entire hobby, across any game i've ever seen/played... so i'm happy to own another, anytime. :-)

Often you can't order them in a "cart", but there are plenty of US discounters where you can simply email in an order request. Best you'll get is 20% off or so. The Strikeforce, already a good deal is an amazing deal with discount.

Spikey Bits, Discount Game Store, Atomic Empire, The War Store and Chaos Mail Order to name a few.

Obviously I'd always suggest supporting a local LGS when possible, but for others, there are great options out there to make your hobby dollars go the furthest.

Backfire wrote:
To get back to new Space Marine characters, the problem is not IMHO the price, but rather what perceived value you get from them (well I guess you could then say the price is the problem - anyway, lets get stuck to definitions). 25 euros from a single character model is high, but not unreasonably high if it provides something people want. For example
-great quality
-plenty of options
-something new which has not been available previously

Lets start with quality. New plastic SM captain is a quite nice sculpt, however, it is not 25 euros nice, so right away it's a fail. Worse, the sculpt is based on previous model, AOBR captain. Whilst it is not exact same sculpt - and I've personally always liked AOBR captain - the fact is that any estabilished player will recognize the pose and associate it with a starter set, non-premium model. Personally, I bought my AOBR captain for 2 euros, so as can be imagined, I'm not about to rush paying 25 euros from nearly same model. What about options? Well, it has a second head, and that's it. Another fail.

Is it something new? Heck no. Even now, GW has many other Power armour Captains available. In addition, current and previous starter sets had ones as well. Even the material isn't an advantage over previous models, since there already is a plastic Power armour Commander available - with better options, cheaper price and arguably not really worse sculpting. Only thing the new one offers is combi-grav gun.
Imagine if instead they had brought us plastic Terminator Captain. There is only one generic TDA Captain available and it's a Finecast conversion from a really old, not that great model. Or how about a Captain in Artificer armour? I don't think any exists. Unless the sculpts were truly terrible, people would have lined up to buy them, even for that price, because they would have been something new. By contrast, by putting a 25 euros price tag on a model which's equivalents most people already have, GW comes across as a rip-off (shock horror). Pretty much all same arguments go for the new Libby - PA Librarian models are plenty. In fact, current starter set has one. I guess it's all part of future transformation to all-plastic range, but it's just disappointing seeing them use design capacity for something so bland.

Great post. $30 USD for a recycled mono-pose figure when you can still buy the customisable commander kit for $22.50 is just insane.

Yeah I saw that commander sprue and was not interested, no extra bits, not poseable... Although I like the crest, that is all.


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Ill get my mitts on a Space Marine box just to have, I like the Crusader idea, maybe use them for breaching fortifications... Need the anti-air SM Rhino upgrade. Loads of flyers taking the board now days.


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Really want to get Orcs and Guard going. So Ill finish up some SP projects, will post pics, finish this modular Citadel board, and we shall see, by that time maybe more codice will be out. Shame the LE wasn't in a Crimson Fist ed... looking forward to BA Codex.

 SickSix wrote:

Great post. $30 USD for a recycled mono-pose figure when you can still buy the customisable commander kit for $22.50 is just insane.

I agree. I was majorly dissapointed by the prices of the HQ characters. The customizable captain with a poo load of options being €18 and the new one with barely any options being €25.

 Kelly502 wrote:

Really want to get Orcs and Guard going. So Ill finish up some SP projects, will post pics, finish this modular Citadel board, and we shall see, by that time maybe more codice will be out. Shame the LE wasn't in a Crimson Fist ed... looking forward to BA Codex.

Isn't the Succesors one basicly Crimson Fists?

On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?

I am only buying the book. Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!

 Asherian Command wrote:
On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?

I am only buying the book. Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!

500 copies of 7 variants, so 3500 total.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?

I am only buying the book if i find it for a cheaper price! Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!

500 copies of 7 variants, so 3500 total.

Thats a very small amount.... Limited to me is around 100,000....

 Asherian Command wrote:
On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?

I am only buying the book. Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!

Nah, there's still plenty of people out there. By making it limited it just has more perceived value, so people will jump on it. Seeing how a number of them are out of stock already, I'd say they're right. Also the vast majority of Space Marine players won't be getting a special edition one. I'm a die hard 40k fanatic and I still won't get a special edition one.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

Isn't the Succesors one basicly Crimson Fists?

The dust jacket is CF, the cover itself is BT.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?

I am only buying the book if i find it for a cheaper price! Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!

500 copies of 7 variants, so 3500 total.

Thats a very small amount.... Limited to me is around 100,000....

The lithographs that Bioware had done for Mass Effect ran 200 copies per design. Each one sold out, and some go for 10x their previous cost on ebay.