Codex: Space Marine Rumors/

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**4oursword**

centuryslayer wrote:
I thought Scouts and Devestators were getting new kits, was I mistaken? :/

You are mistaken at this point. Neither of those guys have new kits in the WD.

**kronk**

prowla wrote:
Bonde wrote:
I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.

I have to agree that the Sternguard is a delicious kit.

The combi-guns alone make that a very attractive kit. Lots of nice bits for sergeants and/or commanders in that kit.

**Talarn Blackshard**

Well ... might have to turn my DA footlist into a SM footlist and concentrate on DW and RW with my Dark Angels codex ... love the new tac squads.

**centuryslayer**

4oursword wrote:
centuryslayer wrote:
I thought Scouts and Devestators were getting new kits, was I mistaken? :/

You are mistaken at this point. Neither of those guys have new kits in the WD.

aww, too bad. I was at a GW retailer the other day and held back on buying a devestator kit because I was unsure if they'd get updated or not :/

**TBD**

Imposter101 wrote:
Malika2 wrote:
Is it just me or is €25 for a single character rather expensive? I mean...I know Forgeworld charges a lot, but it seems GW charges just as much...

And even then, Forge World's figure quality is greater than most (if not all) of GW's figures. While Forge World is more expensive, it's generally a pair of figures.

Most definitely (too) expensive, but the quality of that new librarian is very high and on par with most FW stuff Imo (if you leave off the fugly cherub).

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...

So this is what I now own...

- LE Codex
- Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one)
- Assault on Black Reach
- A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.

If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.

Also, I notice a LOT of models have optional weapons load-outs, even in that Strike-Force box. Without having played the game... how do I know/find out, what I should build the guys as having? I mean... if there a general wisdom? If these were bigger models I could at least magnetize them (well, I will the Venerable Dreadnaught)...

Finally, do different Space Marine chapters get different abilities? If I just want to paint my guys up with my own scheme and made-up fluff, am I mechanically at a gameplay disadvantage?

Thanks all! You've helped create a 40k Monster. :-p

**alphaecho**

kronk wrote:
prowla wrote:
Bonde wrote:
I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.

I have to agree that the Sternguard is a delicious kit.

The combi-guns alone make that a very attractive kit. Lots of nice bits for sergeants and/or commanders in that kit.

The multitude of parts in the Sternguard set along with my bits box will allow me to turn that box into ten Sternguard and some well armed Sergeants.

**Kanluwen**

At least we know now that the Cherub is a separate piece on the Librarian.

That solves a lot of issues in my mind.

**Vain**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...

So this is what I now own...

- LE Codex
- Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one)
- Assault on Black Reach
- A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.

If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.

I would suggest having a look at the following:

Spoiler:

**Kangodo**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...

So this is what I now own...

- LE Codex
- Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one)
- Assault on Black Reach
- A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.

Finally, do different Space Marine chapters get different abilities? If I just want to paint my guys up with my own scheme and made-up fluff, am I mechanically at a gameplay disadvantage?

Thanks all! You've helped create a 40k Monster. :-p

Wait.. You bought the LE-codex but don't even know how chapters work?

I'll just explain my own thoughts and how I handled these issues:
1. I picked a tactic that I like and built an army around that.

2. I equipped my marines with the weapons that I am most likely going to use.
For tactical marines I did something different: I already have around 35 models (more than I will ever field) so I am going to buy a tactical squad and give EVERY model a special/heavy weapon.
So now I have 35 Tactical Marines and 10 Tactical Marines with special/heavy weapons, so I can use the model that I want.

3. Read the codex and the Chapter Traits, they all give unique abilities.
Then you can pick the Chapter that fits your tactic/army/fluff the best (for me it's Raven Guard).

4. Painting hardly matters.
Salamanders are supposed to be green, but there is nothing stopping you from painting a pink army and claim it's a Salamander-successor that follows the Salamander-rules.

If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.

We cannot answer this question because we do not know what tactic you want to use.

Also, I notice a LOT of models have optional weapons load-outs, even in that Strike-Force box. Without having played the game... how do I know/find out, what I should build the guys as having? I mean... if there a general wisdom? If these were bigger models I could at least magnetize them (well, I will the Venerable Dreadnaught)...

It's called TAC.
If your army lacks AT, you should equip the models with AT-weapons.
If your list has problems with Hordes, you should equip them with anti-Horde weaponry.

**Leth**

He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.

**mattyrm**

Leth wrote:
He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.

Yeah thats a great idea! I think the new chapter specific rules make the codex sound much better than the old one just a special character.

I might be wrong, but Im hoping for something good.

Oh and I bought my first GW product of 2013, and ordered a LE codex and a box of VV.

Couldn't get the UM, but they had my second favorite (RG)

**spacewolf407**

I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

**Kangodo**

Leth wrote:
He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.

Hmm, I didn't see that.
In that case it might be awesome to build a droppod/dreadnought list.

I actually like the BA-list with that, they can get 8 dreads in pods for a 2k-list.
Normal Marines can only take around 6, but that does leave them with more scoring models, so that's good.

spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Might have something to do with website-issues?

**gianlucafiorentini123**

spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.

JB

I don't think the website is a problem.

I ordered today with no lag or timeouts at all.

As for the comment about some LE codices not selling out yet, I think that White Scars and Iron Fists will get more popular with this new codex but they are PITA to paint correctly. Also, players that are just starting them probably are not ready to drop big money on a LE codex. They would really need their cash for models.

Iron Hands and Raven Guard are very cool but I think most players will stay away from them. That's actually a good thing for fans of those chapters. They probably prefer to remain hip and unique at their FLGS.

**Compel**

One of my mates got all grumpy with the RG codex cover because, "the shoulder pad is the wrong colour."

**Tannhauser42**

gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.

Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

jose kantor wrote:
Claimh_Solais wrote:
So is the Chaplain not sold separately ? :S

The Chaplain is limited release only with the command set...

As far as the LE codex goes I have decided after much deliberation to spend the extra money on new vanguard vets... but I guess it was an easy decision for me seeing as how Carcharodons are of unknown origin and I don't play any of the founding legions.

So, since the meat of that same Command Squad is in the Strike-Force bundle, does that mean the exclusive Chaplain is too? He's an awesome model, but I don't see him pictured. Meanwhile i'd hate to have to buy the same set, just for him.

**Draknaul**

Kangodo wrote:
Leth wrote:
He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.
Hmm, I didn't see that.
In that case it might be awesome to build a droppod/dreadnought list.

I actually like the BA-list with that, they can get 8 dreads in pods for a 2k-list.
Normal Marines can only take around 6, but that does leave them with more scoring models, so that's good.

spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Might have something to do with website-issues?

If the rumors are correct he should be able to make a 2k list with 8 dreads, Primary list with MOTF, 3 Dreads in Elite and 3 in HS, Ally list with MOTF, 1 Dreads in Elite and 1in HS

Making the Primary list Iron Hands and maybe salamanders for the ally, have the two dreads with flamers.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Oh, as an aside, thank you again to everyone making suggestions and providing help.

Yes, I bought a LE book for a game I haven't even played, but it felt right, and if I am going to give this a fair shake, I want to really do it right. Plus, if I look back on it, ten years later, how nice will it be to have had such a special introduction to the game? I mean, I know I already adore the setting, etc...

And yes, on pure aesthetics, I love Dreadnaughts and Terminators most. I cut my GW teeth playing Space Hulk growing up, some a Terminator with a shield and a thunder-hammer, gives me wood. :-p If I can build lists with Termies, Dreadnaughts and all the goodies I have already, i'd be a happy camper.

So, between my boxes, I own, what.... 30-40 Tactical Marines... I assume other than learning how to play and list build, the suggestion that I buy something that will let me load them out in fun ways is the best call.

So again, its Sternguard I want, if I want to convert a bunch of the Tactical guys? Or should I just buy some bits like flamers, etc... and make customized Tacticals for playing them AS Tactical Squads?

**jojo_monkey_boy**

Firstly, I'm not sure if this has already been whined about before in this thread, so if it has, I apologize (I don't play 40k, so the bulk of this thread is irrelevant to me).

Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.

Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?

JB

This book is bigger.

It has 176 pages.

**Zweischneid**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.

Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?

Yes. Page count for the Space Marines Codex is 176 it seems. All previous 6th Edition Codexes (Eldar, Tau, etc) had ~ 104 pages or so.

**Lobokai**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Firstly, I'm not sure if this has already been whined about before in this thread, so if it has, I apologize (I don't play 40k, so the bulk of this thread is irrelevant to me).

Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.

Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?

This is both the largest and the most versatile codex yet.

**Crimson**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?

A lot bigger.

**jojo_monkey_boy**

Good to know.

**Hedgehog**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.

Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.

Agreed, unfortunately the White Scars one just doesn't do the job, he really should be on a bike!

**Kanluwen**

Hedgehog wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
spacewolf407 wrote:
I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.

Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.

Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.

Agreed, unfortunately the White Scars one just doesn't do the job, he really should be on a bike!

By that sentiment the Raven Guard cover should just be black with no art, the Imperial Fists should be hidden behind a giant wall, etc.

The White Scars aren't a Chapter/Legion that were just "Vroom vroom, we're bikers!". They're all about mobile warfare. Bikers play a part, but so do Razorbacks and Rhinos loaded with Tactical Marines.
They're also considered a bit "savage". I think the cover conveys that perfectly, with him having a severed Eldar(or Dark Eldar) head in one hand and the other strapped to his backpack.

**Dinamarth**

Lysander or a Terminator on the cover of IF would of been nice.