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I'm trying to figure out why GW thinks I should pay $30US for a Space marine captain that has the same quality as the one from the Assault on Black Reach, which you can get for about 5 dollars.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why GW thinks I should pay $30US for a Space marine captain that has the same quality as the one from the Assault on Black Reach, which you can get for about 5 dollars.

I actually prefer the AoBR captain over the new one.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Is it just me, or am I accurate in seeing that the ONLY difference between these $ 115 editions and the basic edition is the different cover, a dust jacket, a numbered end paper and ribbon? There is no new content for the chapter shown on the cover..... Do those who buy (into) this 115 edition get a courtesy reach around?

That's been answered 30 times in this thread.

It was a rhetorical & sarcastic statement.... Was the reach around question answered though?

i prefer the new Captain...
i like the changes they have made, and will be stoked to paint one...
i've had the AoBR Captain from day one, and am still not inspired to paint him...
the new guy looks much cooler to me, and has me itching to paint...
the Iron Hands version looks like fun...

i will be sure to get him at 25% off, though...

cheers
jah

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why GW thinks I should pay $30US for a Space marine captain that has the same quality as the one from the Assault on Black Reach, which you can get for about 5 dollars.

i actually agree. I think the new librarian looks awesome but i'm struggling to see the point in the new commander, especially at that price.

decker_cky wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:
IH had a cybernetic leg, but maybe something more pronounced, like an arm or something would have been better, to really drive the point home. I didn't even realize the leg was cybernetic until I had seen the cover about a dozen times.

How many times did you have to look until you noticed the cybernetic arm?

Well...hmm...about 30 times now I suppose. I think some of it had to do with the quality of the scans, they tended to get fuzzy to the left side of the page, as the part of the arm near the hand just looks silvery, not all that cybernetic.

About those LE codexes. I am a die hard DA fanboy and was really tempted to get the LE codex. High prices has stopped me though. I picked up the normal codex and found there is a lot of spelling and rules error on the book. I feel bad for those who got that LE codex and have to live with those rules/spelling mistakes.

So, does this make the White Scars and the Raven Guard officially the least popular legions?

And the Iron Hands

 Melcavuk wrote:
And the Iron Hands

Yeah, but that's only the books.

The moment people realize they can get IWND Vindicators, Whirlwinds, and Predators, along with a bike CM with a 2+/3++/6+FNP with EW with the right upgrades, I think we'll be seeing lots and lots of Iron Hands.

After my initial thoughts on the kits I purchased I've decided to take a look at the others

Things I like about the Centurions:
- servo skull targeting array bit
- winged skull banner topper bit
- plethora of meltaguns and flamers that look like they can be used with infantry models
- some of the crotch plates might make good bucklers/combat shields when cut up.
Not enough to make the kit worth buying, though.

Looking at the Librarian sprue it really is excellent, the staff is completely optional and being able to swap the head for a helmet is great. The back pack and legs are really cool too. But I would pay £12 at most for it, so there we go.

The Captain model is just baffling to me, are gravs going to be so good that it's worth putting a combi-grav on the model? Surely a choice of combi-weapons would have been a better idea, or a modular one like the one included with the tactical box? Also that equipment compromises the extra attack in CC that you'd likely want a Captain or Chapter Master to have.
I like the sword, the backpack and some of the leg detail, but I dislike the stupidly large cloak, crested helmet and the braid covering up the MK VIII armour.

Some nice individual plastics here (Chaplain and Librarian) and the veteran kits are cool too. Centurions are just dumb and seem symbolic of the designers desperation to get a new unit into every book.

Have to respect the relatively sane pricing of the Tactical Squad box (was sure it was going to cost £30) although it now makes the cost of 5 Dire Avengers look especially diabolical.

 Compel wrote:
So, does this make the White Scars and the Raven Guard officially the least popular legions?

Nah, they would have sold the Raven Guard ones twice over by now.

Nobody can find them though!

So just to ask for buying assistance one last time...

I surveyed the local community which TENDS to only play 1500pt games.

I now own 30 total Tactical Marines, but only 10 are assembled meaning I now have a bunch of choices/options involved.

If I want to add a little more to my collection, should I buy...

- A new Sternguard Veterans squad, and then ten of my unassembled Tacticals, to make a bunch of guys with all kinds of heavy/speciality weapons?

- I could buy ANOTHER box of Tacticals and a Sternguard box, and do the same.

- I could buy Devastators and do either of the above but with them.

- I could buy no more units, and instead add a vehicle, flyer, etc....

Again, i've never built a list and am just not learning the game and embarking on the whole thing. I own the contents of a Black Reach starter, the new 6th Ed. Strike Force, and a copy of Space Hulk 3rd Ed meaning... i've got 30 tacticals, 5 regular terminators, a mountain of fancy terminators from Space Hulk, a Dreadnaught, a Venerable Dreadnaught, two Captains, a Command Squad, a Razorback, and a Drop-pod.

White Scar - well for me no biker on the cover meant no sale... the fact you can barely see any of his symbols hardly helps either.
It is blatantly the worst pic of the lot and deserves to be shunned.

 squall018 wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
It's not accurate anyway as they are printed using a different kind of paper too

So a question for people who have pre-ordered from GW before; can I expect to get my LE book delivered for release, or will it be afterward?

They will ship it the Friday before release usually. So you will get it as soon as the post gets it there from when they get it Friday. So you probably won't get it release day Saturday, but pretty soon the following week.

It feels like to me that everything I've pre-ordered gets to me a week after release. Just like how WD subscipers get the magazine a week after the stores.

By the GW front page: Less than 100 Iron Hands Codexes, Less than 100 Raven Guard codexes and Less than 200 White Scar codexes left. Really does look like the White Scar one was the worst recieved of the bunch,

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
And the Iron Hands

Yeah, but that's only the books.

The moment people realize they can get IWND Vindicators, Whirlwinds, and Predators, along with a bike CM with a 2+/3++/6+FNP with EW with the right upgrades, I think we'll be seeing lots and lots of Iron Hands.

Having played an Iron Hands themed army for the past 2 years, I am fearing the bandwagons jumpers once this become well known. I hated when the BA got a new dex and everyone came over and accused me of jumping onboard even though I had been playing the PDF for awhile, and I can see the same thing happening here.

 Salted Diamond wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
And the Iron Hands

Yeah, but that's only the books.

The moment people realize they can get IWND Vindicators, Whirlwinds, and Predators, along with a bike CM with a 2+/3++/6+FNP with EW with the right upgrades, I think we'll be seeing lots and lots of Iron Hands.

Having played an Iron Hands themed army for the past 2 years, I am fearing the bandwagons jumpers once this become well known. I hated when the BA got a new dex and everyone came over and accused me of jumping onboard even though I had been playing the PDF for awhile, and I can see the same thing happening here.

Hipster much? What's it matter what other people play if you enjoy what you do?

Locrian wrote:

 Salted Diamond wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
And the Iron Hands

Yeah, but that's only the books.

The moment people realize they can get IWND Vindicators, Whirlwinds, and Predators, along with a bike CM with a 2+/3++/6+FNP with EW with the right upgrades, I think we'll be seeing lots and lots of Iron Hands.

Having played an Iron Hands themed army for the past 2 years, I am fearing the bandwagons jumpers once this become well known. I hated when the BA got a new dex and everyone came over and accused me of jumping onboard even though I had been playing the PDF for awhile, and I can see the same thing happening here.

Hipster much? What's it matter what other people play if you enjoy what you do?

It's more I dislike how people react to what they see as "another bandwagoner" When it's not me jumping on the bandwagon, but everyone else jumping on mine.

Problem with playing with strangers I guess. Clearly anyone who knows you knows you're not a bandwaggoner...and why would you care about what people who don't know you think about you?

I wanna create a chapter whom was formed illegally by an inquisitor when he stole some of the Gene seed materials from the Space Wolf, Ultra Marine and Grey Knight Gene seeds to create a powerful new chapter.
A Chapter the Imperium is just now discovered hanging around the eye of terror and tyranid infested planets fighting off chaos and nids where ever they are.

xruslanx wrote:
Problem with playing with strangers I guess. Clearly anyone who knows you knows you're not a bandwaggoner...and why would you care about what people who don't know you think about you?

I try and not care, but being military, there is are always new people showing up, and I had PCS'ed right after BA came out, so at my new FLGS I was seen as "another bandwagon BA player" It annoyed me then, so I'm just still stuck in that mind set. That's all. Time to get off my soap box I guess LOL

I don't understand a lot of the obsession people have against bandwagoners. I just don't get it.

On the sameish subject... I just found a company that makes Blood Raven and Lamenters Shoulder Pads.

Been wanting to do an army of either of them for nearly ten years.

Now the choices :-(.

I can make a great 5th company starter force of Blood Ravens, based on the characters from the game...

Gabriel Angelos: Chapter Master.

Davian Thule: Venerable Dreadnought.

Squad Tarkus: Tactical Squad.
Squad Cyrus: Scout Squad.

Squad Thaddeus: Assault Squad.

Squad Avitus: Devastator Squad.

Give a taste of everything and is going to look amazing when finished.

The Lamenters on the other hand are just Bad Ass Blood Angels. I like the look of them, but they lack a lot of the background that the Blood Ravens have.

Bandwagoners that always rush to the newest and often most overpowered thing are annoying. I don't see how they are NOT annoying.

Ahhhh, the WAAC players?

Explains the majority of people I play against then.

just ordered the nomral codex and a centurion from the warstore. I figure, i can make a better cover than those on the limited and only for like 15$.

GW needs to learn that collectors editions need to have extra to make it worth it. charge 150$ for a special codex, but add a limited edition mini, limited edition dice, + a few extras.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So just to ask for buying assistance one last time...

I surveyed the local community which TENDS to only play 1500pt games.

I now own 30 total Tactical Marines, but only 10 are assembled meaning I now have a bunch of choices/options involved.

If I want to add a little more to my collection, should I buy...

- A new Sternguard Veterans squad, and then ten of my unassembled Tacticals, to make a bunch of guys with all kinds of heavy/speciality weapons?

- I could buy ANOTHER box of Tacticals and a Sternguard box, and do the same.

- I could buy Devastators and do either of the above but with them.

- I could buy no more units, and instead add a vehicle, flyer, etc....

Again, i've never built a list and am just not learning the game and embarking on the whole thing. I own the contents of a Black Reach starter, the new 6th Ed. Strike Force, and a copy of Space Hulk 3rd Ed meaning... i've got 30 tacticals, 5 regular terminators, a mountain of fancy terminators from Space Hulk, a Dreadnaught, a Venerable Dreadnaught, two Captains, a Command Squad, a Razorback, and a Drop-pod.

Your options will ultimately be determined by the types of lists you end up running.

With that being said, the Devastator box would be a pretty good choice. No Space Marine player should be without a multi-melta and the Devastator box is the only place to get one. It also comes packed with one or two of every heavy weapon you'll ever need and comes with enough components to make five Marines. It's really an essential starter purchase if you want to build a Marine Army. Depending on how many tactical sprues you have, you should have enough special weapons to put together one or two of each loadout. Between that and the Devastator box, you'll have enough to build whatever combination you might want when you get around to putting together a list.

Multi-melta, on infantry? I never see that actually being used. And no wonder, it's not like tanks will just come to you for your to shoot them with one.

 tvih wrote:
Multi-melta, on infantry? I never see that actually being used. And no wonder, it's not like tanks will just come to you for your to shoot them with one.

You see it all the time on Salamander lists. But then, you see multi-meltas EVERYWHERE on Salamander lists...